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RE: What do you think of FORMOST 150 ? - 3/20/2008 8:09:25 PM   
digitech


 

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ORIGINAL: JKEpps

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ORIGINAL: SpiderJets

It is very obvious why the wing failed, the manufacturer made a huge mistake.
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The wing spar is a laser cut filmsy balsa strip (= not the worst part), but is INSTALLED IN THE WRONG GRAIN (NERVE) DIRECTION.
This means, all nerves of the whole internal structure are all of them horizontally and this means the wing is ready to split open at the first shock or serious wing force (like bending the wings).

In my case, it means the spar has split open from the wing root to about the mid of the wing, including all ribs in between both ends.



That is absolutely insane, especially after looking at the photos! Has this company made any other planes? Did they use an unknowing contractor or something? I would totally be afraid to fly any of their stuff with wings built like that!

I hope they do step up and replace the wings, but I'm not holding my breath. Guess I'll wait and see if I need to make a set myself for my Almost 150.

-Jorden



well the falcon 120 seems to be keeping up.
this one looks like a rush job....
cant believe it eather those are really stupid mistakes..

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RE: What do you think of FORMOST 150 ? - 3/20/2008 8:40:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		There are over 38 pages of posts on the Falcon and no reports of wing failure. I have one and put the 21st flight on it yesterday. George

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RE: What do you think of FORMOST 150 ? - 3/20/2008 9:28:42 PM   
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Status: offline 		I am pleased to have found an e-mail in my mailbox indeed from a lady interpreter from China, assisting the manufacturer, having sent me the photos of the internal construction, as requested.

Apparantly they have changed a few minor things on the wings now on the current production batch (two servos per panel (for flaps and ailerons ?,...), but some of the vital mistakes are still there.

Hope they solve them, or even better, help us soonest with airworthy wings !

PS. To my opinion, these separate flaps are totally not necessary. I prefer the lower weight and less complexity above all on this plane.

Nicolas.

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RE: What do you think of FORMOST 150 ? - 3/20/2008 9:31:47 PM   
RCISFUN



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Status: online 		Hello Nicolas
I looked at your photos and it reinforces my opinion



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RE: What do you think of FORMOST 150 ? - 3/20/2008 11:59:45 PM   
RCISFUN



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ORIGINAL: RCISFUN

It was bound to happen

Here is what I sent to the guy on E-Bay

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Please take this in the sprint that it is intended, This model is NOT turbine capable as you advertise, actually your ad is directly from the Nitro Models ad.
Believe me when I tell you this as I own one and am in the middle of extensive modifications to the airframe. Best Regards RCISFUN





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Dear rcisfun,

Thank you for your message, i am ended the auctions I do appreciate your concern


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RE: What do you think of FORMOST 150 ? - 3/21/2008 12:45:45 AM   
simont


 

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Status: offline 		Still can't believe you people are trying to fix these death traps up. Cut your losses and send the whole lot back for a refund. Buy a proper plane and regain the peace of mind it will bring you all.
Feel so sorry you have all been conned.

Simon.

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RE: What do you think of FORMOST 150 ? - 3/21/2008 7:15:53 AM   
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Status: offline 		Simon,

You are right. But I have a plane which has beautifully flown, all bugs are fixed now, I have a new set of wings in my hands and I know where the last (and serious !) flaw is, I can fix the new wing set in an evening. Seriously, wouldn't you fly it again ?

We forget sooooooooooooo easily there was another jet era before ARTF, where we had to glue all parts ourselves, use fiberglass to cover the wings and then spend days and days in sanding and painting.
For my 200 euro spent on the purchase of the nitro kit, and with the knowledge we have now, I am willing to do the extra work to save my other 800+ ! (Suppose we continue comparing, of course. Pun intended ) And judging by all comments I have received on direct, a whole lot of others with me, too.
I just went to the local hobby store and bought some Oracover to cover my wings again after the last mods and paid 60 euro already for this few meters of covering film only, so do not know how I could possibly build myself a plane for the other 140... ! (Or how they did it !)

In any case, it is a tendency you cannot stop, this kit will be in airworthy condition marketed one day soon, and properly designed and made by companies like Fly-Models, and at the current price if not a little more. Only too bad we were the test pigs but that's how it is when you buy such kit as an early adopter and start a thread with "What do you think of..."

I only do hope that all the kits out there right are spotted and now "fall in the safety butterfly net" while Fly-Models is curing the flaws. They seem to be very eager to do it (finally !), now that everyone has cancelled all their orders all of a sudden. With good reason.

Wanna bet that in less than 4 weeks there are the first airworthy Fly-Models Turbine Formost kits somewhere available on the market ?...

Nicolas.

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RE: What do you think of FORMOST 150 ? - 3/21/2008 1:32:51 PM   
RCISFUN



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RE: What do you think of FORMOST 150 ? - 3/21/2008 2:02:16 PM   
SpiderJets



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BTW. Just got the new StepFour WingDesigner software. Great to play with. In fifteen minutes after installation, you can design a whole new wing, without introduction. Very user friendly.
I tried to reproduce the Formost wing as a sample test and I am very close.


Happy Easter to everyone ! Enjoy some quality Family time !

Nicolas.

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RE: What do you think of FORMOST 150 ? - 3/21/2008 9:17:51 PM   
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Status: offline 		hi all iam new to jets i just got 2 of the formost 150 kits is there some stuff you all can tell if it is a good starter jet i have been flyng jet be for but was not mine . my 2 formost 150 kits are the new ones thank if you all can give me any info on formost 150 any will help thank tom

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RE: What do you think of FORMOST 150 ? - 3/21/2008 9:27:32 PM   
tomcat0818


 

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Status: offline 		i got my for most 150 at nitroplanes.com both of them are nice planes... for got to add at in

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RE: What do you think of FORMOST 150 ? - 3/21/2008 9:46:51 PM   
RCISFUN



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Status: online 		Hello Tomcat0818,
There are no Formost available at this time that are turbine ready...I have the one Nitro Models is selling and it is the same as the one Nicolas was working on.

Please read this thread from the beginning for all of the concerns however here is the basic list:

Main Areas of concern are the Spar (or lack of one), wing panels, unsupported main landing gear mounts, tail Boom flex, poor quality plywood, and wrong type of glue/poor glue joints.

I am well along with my conversion if you want additional info you cam PM me with your e-mail address and I can send some info.

Rich


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RE: What do you think of FORMOST 150 ? - 3/21/2008 10:11:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		this just makes me that there add say it can use tubrin and if you can do that for
on the info thank

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RE: What do you think of FORMOST 150 ? - 3/21/2008 10:40:13 PM   
RCISFUN



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Status: online 		Like I said I have a bunch of info if you feel like doing the conversion (AutoCAD drawings, and a basic how to list) that I am working on, I plan on posting in a PDF document when they are complete.

If you read Digitec's posts you can go to his web site and down load the drawing Nicolas has completed or you can order the bulkhead kit from Digitec; however I don't think he has the wing panel conversion or the CF spar yet.
You will need to throw at least another $100 per kit in materials needed to upgrade, i.e. CF spar, glue, plywood, covering etc.

Now before anyone jumps on me and keep asking why do this and not cut your losses.... it's my hobby and I like doing it!

All we are trying to do here is make sure that these are converted properly, if we didn't care about the hobby we wouldn't post the suggested upgrades and then unsuspecting people who buy this from Nitro models would have issues.

I think everyone should be writing to Nitro models