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Fuel Tank Selections - 2/3/2008 5:37:53 PM   
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Hi Guys,

I have a Viper with a 4 oz. Sullivan Slant on its side in the fuel tank compartment with a 500mAh standard size Futaba battery pack. The plane balances perfect where it is and it has worked out pretty well, but I would like to switch it over to a bladder fuel tank system. My question is in choosing a fuel tank. Should I go with the Jett 4oz. Standard, the Jett 4oz. Slim or the 4oz. Tettra? If I can, I would like to go with a tank that eliminates a major modification job, if any. Is there any that will just drop right in the plane and allow me to keep the battery up there in the fuel compartment with it as well?

Also I was thinking of placing the fuel tank on the CG. line or close to it. I have taken many measurements but still without actually having the tank in your hands it’s hard to figure out which way to go. Of course we do not have any decent hobby shops in my area and the few that are even an hour away would not carry any Jett or Tettra fuel tanks or racing type accessories? So I ask the advice of some of you more seasoned Pro’s out there?

Options:

1.Fuel tank located in the fuel tank compartment:

Am I better off with a Jett 4oz. Standard or Slim, or a Tettra tank? Can I place a Jett or Tettra tank in there with out taking too much wood off of the second former? Will a 500-mAh battery fit in there with it? If I have to open the second former hole more to allow the rear of the tank to fit, will it come in to the throttle servo area too much causing me to have to move the throttle servo back more from its standard location? If not, how about the throttle cable will it clear? Will there be enough room for the cable with the tank and the battery all up front?

2.Fuel tank located on the CG. line:

I f I place the fuel tank on the CG. line, how is it located? Should I center the tank on the CG. line? I will still have to cut and modify the second former, correct? Again which tank would I be better of with of the 3 mentioned above? I was thinking of the Jett Standard tank because it’s shorter and would not interfere with the Aileron servo. I imagine that some of the tank may protrude thru the second former, but there would be plenty of room up there for the battery. The battery could go in the fuel tank compartment closer to the Firewall. What about the placement of the throttle servo, in the fuel tank compartment or move it over in the factory servo tray location?

All of these questions, “Yikes”. It would be so much easier if I had all 3 tanks in my hands. I think I would prefer to go with the Jett standard because from my calculations and measurements the tank is only a little bit wider or rounder as it may be. But the length of the Slim is about an inch longer. Unless this little bit makes a big difference in determining how much wood is removed from the second former. I do not want to loose too much strength factor by removing too much wood. I have looked thru several of the threads and pictures they have helped a bit, but I am looking for answers to specific questions before I go placing all kinds of orders. I have 3 of these planes so thats 3 times everything in orders. LOL........


Thanks Much,

Ed


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RE: Fuel Tank Selections - 2/3/2008 11:02:52 PM   
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Eddie,

My overall preference is the Tetra tanks over the Jett tanks, but don't get me completely wrong, I still use jett tanks in some installations. I have just had better luck over time with the Tettra tanks holding up better. Both are good tanks.

I have several Tetra 4oz tanks, and here are the measurements. I have never seen a Jett 4 oz tank, maybe Bob can chime in with those dimensions.

1.945" tall
1.710" wide
3.995" long

They are quite small, I can't imagine it not fitting in the viper easily.

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RE: Fuel Tank Selections - 2/3/2008 11:14:02 PM   
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Eddie:

Go to Jett site and get mearurements of the tanks you are considering. Cut and roll up some paper or cardboard to those sizes, tape secure. Now you can fit before you buy. I perfer the Jett tanks as they come ready to use with fuel line and are a little easier to fill than the Tetra's. You still get a little pressure when full with the Jett, but you need to learn to live with that regardless. The tetra is a laytex type baloon inside and creates more pressure than I like to work with, but still a very good tank system. Jett tanks seem fragle at first, but are fine in use, and much easier to set up IMHO. Many claim you can place your tank in the center of the CG, but I seem to always end up with a draw problem, mostly in the corners with the CG tank. Most of the go fast guys keep their tanks in close to the front. Somethimes you may not have a choice. For what its worth, I run 6 oz tanks to avoid running out of fuel prior to the end of the race. I get my tank in place first and then finish servo/receiver/battery installs for CG as needed. Always set those in place to establish approx. CG requirements prior to glueing anything in place. ENJOY

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RE: Fuel Tank Selections - 2/4/2008 2:14:41 PM   
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The only help I can offer is to show you my installation.

The picture shows a Jett 6 ounce tank on the CG and all of the other stuff around it. The battery is in such a position that it can be moved for trim changes.

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RE: Fuel Tank Selections - 2/9/2008 3:20:17 AM   
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Hi Guys,

Thanks for your input. I believe I am going the go with the 4oz. Tettras Tank. I wish to purchase the Jett Tanker and and the Tettras tank. However I have done searching on the Net and there are not a lot of locations to purchase the above mentioned items from. Can anyone not only point me in the right direction but point me to a reliable one.

Some of these sites just did not seem to up to Par, the pages were difficult to navigate thru. I would rather not disclose the names of these web sites, but I can share that info if need be. So if anyone can share some good recomendations of a location to purchase the above items, that would greatly be appreciated.


Thanks


Ed




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RE: Fuel Tank Selections - 2/9/2008 4:26:49 AM   
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The tanker can be had direct from Jett, www.jettengineering.com



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RE: Fuel Tank Selections - 2/9/2008 12:53:25 PM   
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About the only places I can think of where you can buy both a Jett Tanker and the Tetra tanks at the same place is:

www.supertrc.com
www.darrolcady.com

Seperately you can add:

www.pspec.com
www.calspeedpros.com
http://www.calspeedpros.com/
http://www.centralhobbies.com/Fuel/fueltnk2.html

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RE: Fuel Tank Selections - 2/9/2008 5:51:43 PM   
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Thanks Daven & Fizzwater2


I had some issues with the way the Jett and the Darolcady web sites worked, they pages and the shoping cart did not workout for me to good. Placing the order was difficult then the I got annoyed, but I will try again, maybe it was just slw network issue or something at there end. These few sites seem to be the only sites to buy these products.

Thanks again

Im always welcome to hear about new sites, especially ones that are Q-500 related. There very hard to find.

You know as I sit here and write, its to bad there is not a web site devoted to finding products specifically geard towards different areas of the RC world (of course starting with Q-500 would be nice). Something like a directory with catagories and sub-categories of related items. Not only that but that site could be rated by peoples past experience in making purchases etc.





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RE: Fuel Tank Selections - 2/10/2008 2:53:57 AM   
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Hi Daven and Others,

I have a curious question in ragrds to the fuel tanks I saw on the Darrol Cady web siteyou sent me the info on. I see that Tettras makes a 3oz. tank which I was not aware of. Is that tank big enough for 424 & 428 racing? Would it last enough for 10 laps plus 2 for extra ex. maybe a cut and for burning on the ground and for landing last? I figure it will also cut down on the weight, but most of all make it the easiest of all to install with the least amount of modification of the Viper fuse. I really kind of like the idea of the 3oz. tank if it will accomodate all of the above questions. Really excited about this 3oz. tank idea. Thanks


Please reply A.S.A.P.


Again thanks I appreciate all of the support.


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RE: Fuel Tank Selections - 2/10/2008 3:43:25 AM   
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You'll have more time with a 4oz tank when your at the line and the margin for error is a little more friendlier than it would be running a 3oz tank. The weight of one oz of fuel is insignificant due to all planes having to meet the minimum weight requirement with the tank empty.


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RE: Fuel Tank Selections - 2/10/2008 6:08:35 AM   
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Hi Bill,

Thanks for your input. I do realize that I would have a wider margin for error, but here’s why I ask. While using a Sullivan 4oz. tank I seem to recall having approx 1, 1-1/2 or up 2 ounces of fuel left over in the tank after a heat. I have 2 Vipers and while I am sure I could get the 4oz. Tanks to fit into the Viper fuse with some modification. I jus figured it would be a bit easier or less of a hack job (if you know what I mean) if I could get away with using a 3 oz. tank that is if the fuel would last for the heat. Like I said I figure I need approx. 45 seconds of ground time burn at full throttle, enough for 10 laps and a cut and 30 seconds of burn time at idle to set up for a landing. Also not to mention that the 2 Vipers weigh 3lbs.–14oz give or take a ½ oz. so they could use a bit of a trim somewhere.

Thanks again for your advice


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RE: Fuel Tank Selections - 2/10/2008 1:26:55 PM   
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I have used the 3 oz tanks in our 424 racing up here with OS .46 and have been fine. However, we race on the shorter 475 foot course.

I think you would be ok, but I am not positive.

The 3 oz is too small for 428, and in my opinion the 4 oz is too small also. The Bakers use to fly with the 4oz in 428, but that is cutting it real close. You need to wait until there is about 30 seconds left on the clock, start the motor, run to your spot, and fly a good fast course.

I wouldn't recommend anything under 5 1/4oz, and to anyone new to 428 it wouldn't hurt to start with the 6oz tank.

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RE: Fuel Tank Selections - 2/10/2008 4:05:26 PM   
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Ed, what servos and battery are you using?


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RE: Fuel Tank Selections - 2/10/2008 4:18:30 PM   
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I used a 5 1/4 Tettra in my newest viper, I didn't have to cut a lot of the former to get it to fit @ the C/G. I put the battery behind the tank to get C/G right with a TT.40. Just stuck a practice Nelson on last week, and it did need a little weight in the nose but not enough to move everything again. I agree with Dave I would use a four oz. at the min. and the 5 1/4 isn't that much trouble.

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RE: Fuel Tank Selections - 2/10/2008 9:02:38 PM