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RE: FUNJET - 4/15/2008 10:18:03 AM   
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Ditchit - Yeah she is sedate on 3S I had that, but she can fly in a small box ... I will test the 6S and 4S set ups. Will need to record things and see. I better get me watt meter back from my pal! Have fun at work ok!!! Its nice and sunny here and we are all off to the field ...

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RE: FUNJET - 4/15/2008 3:47:06 PM   
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Give me a little more info on the 2700 mine is still running but I''ll noticing the shaft is feeling loose

Sorry I haven''t check in but had a very busy weekend


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RE: FUNJET - 4/15/2008 3:51:02 PM   
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When I turn the shaft by hand I feel something bumping on the inside and I have to apply more force to continue rotating the shaft. i sent it off to Hobby Services ysterday. i expect to get a new motor. Check out my potential new combination a few posts back and tell me what you think. Randy at Dynamo electrics wants to give me deal on this combination.

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RE: FUNJET - 4/15/2008 3:55:53 PM   
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the mega 16/25/2 will handle more amps and watts and run cooler. You can run 6c on it. Gryphon has done a lot of research on this the 15/16 will perform..but if your going to amp up the 16/25/2 is hard to beat.


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RE: FUNJET - 4/15/2008 3:58:13 PM   
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I am not looking to go over 100mph with this bird. I plan on running 4s LiPos. I should be OK with this combination don''t ya think?

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RE: FUNJET - 4/15/2008 4:00:55 PM   
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tianci

Man I wish I could paint/airbrush like that. I''m happy just staying in the line when I color
Not only will they fly fast but look great on the groundI hope you have some cool static stands to hold them as they are works of art.

Jealous in the states
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RE: FUNJET - 4/15/2008 4:02:10 PM   
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It is the 1110/1Y and so far it hasn''t been put in a plane, just static testing on 3s and it sounds like its going to explode but hasn''t. The battery we''re using is the TP 3s-2200 V2 (25c) with a 4.1x4.1 apc prop. We are working on putting it in a Funjet, but personally I don''t know if it will do much good without proping up. I tried a motor similar to the Neu with a 4.5x4 apc pylon prop and although it flew it wasn''t impressive and I''m sure it was because the prop was too small. Anything bigger and it would cut out before I could get to half throttle and that was with a CC80 and Impulse 4s-2500 (25c). With the smaller prop I had to toss it at about 1/3 throttle, fly it around a few laps before I could open it up. I have some things I''m going to try and see if I can make this work. I''m going to have to try out the Mega 16/25/2 and maybe 3T on 4s, 5s and 6s (for 3T). I own 3 Mega 16/15/3 and 1 16/15/2 and they are great and powerful motors but its been a long time coming and I need to move up to much more powerful motors that will make the Funjet melt in the air. Once we get some numbers on the different motors we''re testing out I''ll post them in the forums. I''m going to also get me an Eagle Tree set up. Hopefully it doesn''t get thrashed during the test flights. Thanks for the info on the Mega 16/25/2 and what prop to use. That will be helpful in our testing.

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1110/1Y 5000KV or 1110/1D 9200KV? I assume 1110/1Y on 3S.

You said “NEU 1110-1 without destroying my CC80 and TP batteries”.
Please give me full specs on your battery.
What prop do you use, have you had a wattmeter reading?
If you have the resistance value of your motor, I can use that for comparison, the NEU sites does not list them all.
http://www.neumotors.com/20061222/1100_series.html

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I’m glad that you are looking at 480 sized brushless motors to make good power.
The 400 sized motors are o.k. but somewhere after 30A-40A more and more of a case can be made to go with a bigger motor.

For very high flight speeds a very small prop with high pitch speed is not a great combination.
Pitch speed is fine but if the prop cannot make enough thrust to overcome the needed drag at high speed it is all wasted. It is like a race car dragging an open parachute while doing a burn out down the length of the track.

Prop pitch speed = RPM X Pitch /1056 {pitch in inches}

16/25/2 2650KV can spin an APC E 5X5 at 38,000 RPM 81.5A with a full 5S-3300 25C pack.
This prop or 5.25X4.75 should do very well on a funjet.

3700min to 3850+ 25C cells will be best for 4S, or 5S.
Of course smaller cells can be used and motor will be propped accordingly.

For 3S we run 4500 cells, I use 3S-5000.


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RE: FUNJET - 4/15/2008 4:03:47 PM   
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great setup
You will be able to push over 100course you don''t have to be you can


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RE: FUNJET - 4/15/2008 4:13:38 PM   
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With the mods I have done the the Fj the prop speed is within 5-10 mph of the speed of the plane. I just ran it this weekend on a new polyquest 25c 2500 only 3cvery very fast-still on the APC 5.5x4.5 prop-you should see this thing go vert. as it just doesn''t slow down as the prop can get all the air it needs. Club members are wanting to see it go on 4 c But I don''t think the e-flite can handle it as I''m pretty sure the bearings are going.


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RE: FUNJET - 4/16/2008 2:54:51 AM   
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CP - those planes are now gone ... lost both. A good friend of mine handled the paint job. New FJ will maiden white and I shall decide on the colour scheme later. Maybe a 2 tone and some stickers only. I got this feeling that the motor will burn.

Guys need some assistance here. Okay my so called set up is hot but the airframe may only be ''good'' for ... le''s just say ... 120 mph. Anything more than that will need a lot of power to get an increase in speed. Might it not be more practical to perhaps put in a system that gives only say 130-140 mph pitch speed and then not waste so much power?

Another thing I would like to ask is for flying over 100 mph, should we not reinforce the plane? I am thinking of using CF strips for and aft of the spar. From the fuse all the way out to the tips of the wing. Just cut and incision and then put the strips in vertically, that should strengthen things. What about the vertical stabs? Need to reinforce? Any advice is welcomed ... thanks!

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RE: FUNJET - 4/16/2008 9:25:22 AM   
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jimweda,

Set that 1110/1Y 5000KV aside. It can perform very well on 3S but you need 7000mAH or more and 125A ESC which may be in its burst range for it to compare to 2650KV 16/25/2 on 5S and high AMPs.

If you want to run that 5000KV NEU on 3S, here is how you can do it. Get a 3S-5000 25C or 30C and take your ESC and change it’s over current sensitivity to least sensitive (or disabled). Attach heat sink to ESC. Take wattmeter readings and prop for over 100A see how close you can get to a 5" prop.
That would be a fast setup...still...an unusual setup.
That motor will not generate much heat due to its super low resistance value, but it wouldn''t hurt to stick a heat sink on it if you can.


See post #2229 for ESC mod.
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_6069877/mpage_90/key_/tm.htm


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Better than 400 sized MEGA 16/15/X series 2.7o.z. Are the: 16/17/X (called 16EDF 3600KV) 3.2 o.z., then 16/20/2 3100KV 3.7 o.z. and then 16/25/2 2650KV 3.9 o.z.

The little motors will start to waste too much energy at higher settings besides not being able to make as much power. 2 factors help the other motors, their size and mostly their lower resistance value.
The bigger motors are hungry...hungry for amps, so better have a good size battery if you want to run a mean prop given their KV.
I call 16/25/2 the AMP PIG. One Stryker owner liked that enough to name his Stryker that way.....yes, it was running the 16/25/2....

I had 1 5S flight with 1800W 100+A on a fresh 5S-3300 25C pack which did stabilize at 1600+W after 10% discharge. Motor never got hot. Flight was a little too short for my taste; I know 5S-3850 would have fared better.

Smaller packs "when pushed" discharge a fewer percentage of their capacity before not being able to maintain voltage and reaching cutoff. Same load from a bigger battery can easily be maintained till most of the pack is empty.

If you want that 480 sized motor and need help on making up your mind on the battery, send me a PM.

Good luck,
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RE: FUNJET - 4/16/2008 9:32:29 AM   
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Gryphon - why would someone want to push a 3S set up past 100A? It does not make sense to me, you need huge packs. Might as well use more cells and smaller packs. Is it better?

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RE: FUNJET - 4/16/2008 12:07:23 PM   
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Okay ... started to build the FJ. I got as far as the wings to the fuse and reinforced the wings with CF strips that were inserted into a slit that I cut. I tried to dry fit her to check the CG, the plane may be slightly tail heavy. I wonder why I am trying it out! Hmmmm ... maybe a 4S with the Mega 16/15/3 is more reasonable.

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RE: FUNJET - 4/16/2008 3:32:17 PM   
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On the FJ I used the same "system" I used on the Parkzone Stryker.
On the wingI use carbon fiber tube a little smaller diameter then the org. run it right up to the wing tank things. wing tip to wing tip is the best
I then run carbon fiber tube the same size front to rear on the floor of the equipment bay. You will have to remove some foam to make it work. Make all tubes flush with the surrounding area(s).
Rough up the CF tube with 200-400 grit sand paperthis will help the adhesive to stick better
I use a hot glue gun to install why you ask
1-epoxy is brittle and will fracture due to the flex of the foam and g-forces of flying and crashing - I like the flex factor to bleed off energy of a crash and stress of high G''s during flight
2-super glue - CA will to but not as much
3-hot glue not the low melt stuff but high temp will very slightly melt the foam and REALLY stick to the CF tube plus it''s quick-and cheap

I also use balsa elevons and attach to the foam with 3 or 4 small size hinge pin hinges. I discovered hinge pins work very well and you drill the holes making sure all match oil the hinge part -1 drop from a straight metal pin-blot with a tissue-lite coat of 5 minute epoxy-stick in the hole twist 180 degrees to coat inside of the hole line up 90 deg. with the wing-hold until epoxy sets repete on each hinge pin.
Make sure you tape the gaps between elevon and trailing edge on the TOP of the wing.

NOTE make sure to bevel edges on the elevon to the trailing edge of the wing with practice you can get the gap down to just 1-2 mm

I prefer the feel and crisp response that the balsa elevons give to me in flight. I have not

What does the CF tubes do for your plane........
1-reduces the flex in the plane....which means more energy is transferred into speed.
2-If you crash damage will be greatly reduced
3- you will have a much BIGGER smile on your face
CP


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