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RE: FUNJET - 5/5/2008 10:01:31 AM   
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I quite like the Excite or Demon. Larger F5D stuff but the airframes are a bit pricey. Gotta same some pennies. But even if I go that route I'd still keep the FJ around.

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RE: FUNJET - 5/5/2008 2:59:53 PM   
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The FJ is fun and you can just chuck it in the back of your car. I doubt I shall go with the Boomerang etc ... I want something cheap to mess about with. I was flying like a nutter on Sunday ... come in low then roll ... exit roll inverted then execute 1/8 of a roll and turn ... at each corner of the turn you are inverted, then right side up then inverted ... you know what I mean ... like a nutter. Its cheap and you can do it!

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RE: FUNJET - 5/5/2008 7:03:09 PM   
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I got a little complacent today. First time that I have tried to launch my Funjet by myself and I made the mistake of running half throttle on left hand release from the bungee. I should have release from the bungee with no throttle and opened it up after release.

The APCe prop put 6 nice scalpel like cuts in the side of my hand and I was dripping red coolant in a matter of seconds. I was by myself at the time but fortunatley one of my fellow club members arrived literally 2 minutes later and patched me up with a first aid kit.

I'm normally very careful. Flying 12S powered models swinging a 20" prop I know one false move could hack off a limb so I always keep my finger firmly on the throttle stick. Easy to forget that even small models can cause a lot of damage. Another lesson learnt for me.

Important to enjoy flying but more important to fly safe my friends.

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RE: FUNJET - 5/6/2008 4:27:37 AM   
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Oh man oh man oh man!!! Its good the cuts were not too deep. Look on the bright side now, with the scars you can tell them birds at the pub that you got it when you smashed your hand through a windscreen to protect yourself from 5 YOBs!!! How do you bungee her? I have my plane on the ground with the tow line attached and the bungee is held back with another cord. No tension on the plane and tension is taken up by the screw driver. My release mechanism is the trustly screw driver. I can launch this myself. Will put up a pic of it ... totally simple to make and super cheap. Cost me like 15 quid max.

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RE: FUNJET - 5/6/2008 8:44:29 PM   
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OUCH !!!
Prop rash !!! Be care-I know to late now.
I will be building another FJ using the successes of of the first one in this post. I will start I 2 weeks as i have the Joe Nall fly in to attend May 14th-17th.
Many vendors and cheap prices
SHOPPING TIME !!

Please be careful guys as it hurts to get a screaming prop across the hand.
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RE: FUNJET - 5/6/2008 10:41:13 PM   
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chippedprop,


I believe you will agree that paying attention is the most important thing and will help being safe a lot more than any assisted launch device.

I launch 37-45 o.z. 1100W-1800W Stryker while at full throttle by myself. The key is paying attention.

Just before each single launch I go through the steps in my mind. I do not rush.

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One mistake that I've seen on various forums is seeing too small a prop. That will seriously hurt acceleration and launch capabilities.

Often you can listen to a guy's video and hear that the poor prop is not fully biting into the air and the watts are being wasted.

Given any number of cells, the prop size should be big enough to draw at least mid level amps.
Keeping the amps to a minimum could be a mistake, and that is even a bigger mistake as the volts go up given any particular motor.

Given any particular motor as the volts go up, the prop size goes down to maintain same amps, but then at some point the prop size is too small given the speed/drag/thrust combination. At those times increase in diameter will help the situation.

If such a situation arises with 5X5, a person should try 5.25X4.75, or even 5.5X4.5. Increased static amps will drop some at high speed when the pitch is less than diameter.

For 4.7X4.7, I would look for a prop in the 5X4.5 size (not sure who might make that size), or take the 5.5X4.5 and cut it down some.

With the bigger diameter props, the plane will have better flying characteristics, easier launch and better climbing and acceleration.


Too high a KV, voltage, or RPM noise (wow factor) or pitch speed is not always the key. With a perfectly matched setup a plane will fly much better and will be much more enjoyable.


Class is in session (for newbies):
Assuming a person wants to have a setup at 40A but prop size is too small. They can move away from 1:1 diameter to pitch ratio prop. They can choose a prop that has lower pitch number than diameter. They can prop for 42-45A static, but knowing that in flight they will drop to 40A. This way during launch or hard climbing, they will have little more power and a better prop that can also bite more/better into air, and then during the rest of the flight they can be down to 40A range (level wide open throttle at high speed).

Don't get me wrong there is nothing wrong with 1:1 props when they are of sufficient diameter size for an airframe and speed range. But copying mistakes of other rookies does not make it a good combination.

The above post is assuming sufficient breathing room left as far as MOTOR/ESC and battery goes.

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RE: FUNJET - 5/7/2008 8:58:43 AM   
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Me suspects Gryphon is really old or a lecturer ... hmmmmmm ... hehehehe ... I use 4.7 x 4.25 ... less pitch ... heheheehee ... Anyways, when I launched my UF Hawk it clipped my fingers, 3 fingers bled ...

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RE: FUNJET - 5/7/2008 7:14:34 PM   
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tIANci,


Yeah, my posts are on the long side. Some times in there things could be thought to people who read the pages, well at least the ones who come to the pages to learn.

Since you and I have had a bunch of PMs and discussions, I know that you do have full grasp of what goes on. Your Funjet is setup nicely and your future goals are going to be winners.

How bad were your cuts?

Because of my mistake, I hurt my brother’s hand over 2 years ago and I still have not forgiven myself. It was not so serious but it could have turned out that way. I would have rather done it to my own hand than to his. So just before each lunch I really do go through the motions in my head and I do imagine that the prop is trying to hurt me. I then launch in a way that it can’t even if it tried.

I launch at maybe 30 degrees above the horizon as if I’m throwing a Javelin for maximum distance and the key is that I follow the motion through to get my hand out of the way (away and down).
Since I do that while at full throttle and with up elevator trim, heavy birds have no problem going right up, and that buys me enough time to get my hand back on the transmitter.

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My current experimental bird at 2 ½ times stock weight (heaviest yet) cannot get airborne on 3S without wind. It is designed for 5S, 6S. So my 5S-5000 is going in for next flight. Power will be doubled and 7” prop will make enough thrust.
I guess we all like to experiment and find the limits….one way or another.

I’ll send you a link to a 2000W Stryker video. Hand launched by pilot without effort.


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RE: FUNJET - 5/7/2008 8:32:28 PM   
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Gryphon ... my cuts were not that bad, maybe a teaspoon full of blood? Hehehehee ... first 2 launched on the Hawk were good as I launched it with my hand pulling away on a downward arch, the 3rd launch I was excited and I launched her in the 'normal' way ... The FJ is really easy to launch ... I get my pals to do it for me and usually I am on about half throttle. The Stryker at 2KW is nuts ... totally nuts, but its an inspiration for me to go with a 6S FJ set up ...

Neu motor ... Flight Power EVO30 3S 2,000 x2 ... we should be seeing about 43K RPM right on a 4.75 x 4.75? Hehehehee ... let her scream! On the other hand I still have my Zagi TAZZ ...

Dig the ECalc ... me likes ... me liking very much ...

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RE: FUNJET - 5/8/2008 1:58:32 AM   
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tIANci,

I'm fairly sure that you didn't notice that is a 7.5 o.z. motor. [)] .............................and $205

You can have 30%-60% more power than your chart from 3.9 o.z. MEGA 16/25/X $95 or NEU 1110 series $125 and they are 28mm unlike the 36mm diameter beast you found in ez-calc. (The 2Y wind version of your motor above is what was in that Stryker with CC 125A ESC)

Trust me, at very high speed you are better off with 5" to 5.5" prop (forget 5" for ULTRA speed). You can control prop size with your KV selection to get same watts from larger diameter prop.

You can swing a 7" prop if you want, but with 8" pitch, so RPM is not everything. Pitch speed is attainable in other ways with regard to thrust needed.

I'll send you a PM.


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RE: FUNJET - 5/8/2008 4:12:52 AM   
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Gryphon ... I know its a 36mm just tongue in cheek ... hehehehe ... that is one lump of lead! I am sticking to my Mega 16/15/3 as it will happily take 3S and 4S and on 4S I can still mainting the 4.75x4.75 but need to be more disciplined on the throttle, if not I just swap props when I wanna fly 3S or 4S. Still very practical to me.

I think for the 6S set up I am going to get a new FJ. I just ordered some 28mm motors from Hobby City, I got 2 ... just in case 1 burns! I checked with the LHS and they are out of FJ for the moment, looks like me messing and zipping about has helped them move their stock.

I will up date you guys when it all happens.

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RE: FUNJET - 5/10/2008 7:38:16 AM   
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Okay ... went to the field this morning and tached her, I got about 34,000 RPM, that gives me a 150+ mph pitch speed. I wonder how much of that translates to the air speed. How does she fly on 4S compared with 3S?

Upon launch I can see that the higher wing loading is obvious, she wants to roll to the left now despite being launched at about 50% throttle only. Hence, launch air speed is lower. I can feel that the FJ is sluggish, I went for a couple of mins of easy flight then I opened up the throttle. You can hear the baby scream! Came in for a pass and I was disappointed, it was faster than the 3S set up but I estimate maybe an extra 15 mph max. In turns she is no longer as nimble as before, I am still on the ESky servos so I am rather careful but the higher wing loading now makes her sluggish. Flying slowly is different now too ... the wing was about to stall a few times on me, I cannot cruise as slow as on a 3S anymore.

I ran her for a few passes and I would love another 30 mph if possible. Increase in power is about 200W but increase in speed maybe only 15 mph. Sad man ... I wonder if I should bother with a 6S set up anymore ...

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RE: FUNJET - 5/10/2008 7:51:38 AM   
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