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RE: Hi Perf Russian 10cc at a bargain price! - 3/29/2008 7:41:24 AM   
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The MA is thinner (is this debatable?) and it spins faster (how about this?). Even Dave knows this-

Nothing wrong with them it is just if you go to the RPM forum most measurements are taken with APC, so it is difficult to compare figures...

I am just curious to see if this Russian beast will throw bigger numbers than my Augered Rossi-60 I was telling you about...


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RE: Hi Perf Russian 10cc at a bargain price! - 3/29/2008 8:02:42 AM   
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Hey X-Jet

Which Fireball plugs are you using? the reds, yellows or purples?

I've used the yellows and I'm pretty happy with them in sport applications (O.S. .46 FX). haven't put a lot of time on one yet though.

I have a few reds I'll try one day.

At less than half the cost of an O.S. No.8 ... so far I reckon they are value for what they do.

I wonder if a coldish plug (ie Fireball purple, Enya 5 or 6, or OS A5) in the MDS would offer a performance boost?


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RE: Hi Perf Russian 10cc at a bargain price! - 3/30/2008 1:52:19 AM   
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Okay Razor, just for you. I purchased an APC 11x7 prop and set up the engine on the test stand again.

I installed a different glow plug, a Thunderbolt Long Standard.

Everything else the same as before, FAI no nitro fuel, etc.

Highest RPM reached was 13,680 and a steady "good pinch test" RPM of 13,410 was obtained. A steady idle of around 3500-3800 was what it was doing.

This was measured with both a GlowBee digital and a Royal analog tach, both of which were checked for calibration.

So you guys tell me, cuz I don't know. Is this Good, Bad, or Ugly?

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RE: Hi Perf Russian 10cc at a bargain price! - 3/30/2008 4:36:38 AM   
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Well my MDS had a bit of a catastrophic failure today.

The crankshaft broke (in the usual place).

It's partly my own fault -- I was told that the cranks in these engines were a bit fragile and I (stupidly) ran a heavy glass-filled composite prop -- a Bolly). It looks as if the crankshaft failed as a result of the torsional loads applied to it as tried to turn a relatively large mass with relatively short and powerful impulses.

Based on my experiences therefore, I'd really recommend that you use a light wooden prop on your MDS61 -- it'll put a *lot* less load on the crankshaft and probably avoid this kind of failure.

I sure got a lot more than $39 worth of fun out of it while it lasted though and I may well buy another -- I've got plenty of spares for a second engine :-)

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RE: Hi Perf Russian 10cc at a bargain price! - 3/30/2008 6:16:09 AM   
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Bruce,


Don't blame yourself (unless you tried to use your starter with the engine flooded... You don't seem likely to do that ...).

The fact that this engine is made in Russia, does not mean the crankshaft's steel, or its machining, is of the same quality as those of the AK-47...

Fatigue would have taken much longer to set in...


This crankshaft was flawed from the beginning; a crack, or a stress-point...
I don't believe they offer actual warranty for these engines, but do check this out.


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RE: Hi Perf Russian 10cc at a bargain price! - 3/30/2008 7:08:40 AM   
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Where did it break...right where it necks down?

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RE: Hi Perf Russian 10cc at a bargain price! - 3/30/2008 8:33:12 AM   
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The break is where the gas passage is machined into the shaft. I'll strip it down later this week and post some pictures.

I emailed Alberto to let him know what had happened, it'll be interesting to see what he says.

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RE: Hi Perf Russian 10cc at a bargain price! - 3/30/2008 11:10:49 AM   
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So now you dont need the header and pipe
You could always sell it to Sweden

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RE: Hi Perf Russian 10cc at a bargain price! - 3/30/2008 5:42:34 PM   
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Sounds like the rear bearing going out may have caused more problems than you was aware of Xjet.
We can hope this was a one time faulty crank from the manufacture but something tells me its not.
If its a stress point (design error)or a hardness issue they all may do the same thing. I personally am not looking forward to having a crank break, this could be a very dangerous to anyone close to the engine.

Kmot your RPM's are not to impressive, I would expect a rear exhaust engine of high perf nature to develope quite a few more especially useing a prop for a 46-50 sized engine.
Oh well sounds like the old saying still holds true, If its to good to be true it prolly isn't.

I did finally got a email stating my engine has been sent.

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RE: Hi Perf Russian 10cc at a bargain price! - 3/30/2008 5:56:23 PM   
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Cyberwolf: Okay, well I think it is still a usable engine anyway.

I wonder if trying different lengths on the header pipe would make much difference?

And I thought Razor said and Flyboy Dave said an 11x7 was a 60 size prop?? My forte' are four strokes so I don't really know.

XJet: I think the bearing failure set up your crank for the eventual break.

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RE: Hi Perf Russian 10cc at a bargain price! - 3/30/2008 6:26:08 PM   
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Actually a 12x6 is a 60 size prop as per say a standard place to start with todays engines, but the engine make and type determines alot when considering the correct size prop. The older engines used say a 11x7.5 11x8 to get a few more turns , granted todays engines are far better in the RPM's than the engines of the 80's. Its not uncommon to see a modern day 46-50 outperform a 60-61 of yesterday useing the same prop. My 61 FX with a 11x7.5 semitar was getting 14,500 running a jtec muff.
I have another 61 FX on a pipe running a 12x6 APC I'll fire it up today and get a reading and report back.

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RE: Hi Perf Russian 10cc at a bargain price! - 3/30/2008 6:30:48 PM   
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Is that on FAI fuel?

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RE: Hi Perf Russian 10cc at a bargain price! - 3/30/2008 6:38:22 PM   
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Since I don't use FIA fuel I can't tell you , but its a given that the nitro will improve on performance.

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RE: Hi Perf Russian 10cc at a bargain price! - 3/30/2008 7:38:22 PM   
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Nevermind...I counted to 10 so I am fine now...

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