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RE: Hangar 9 Fokker DVII - 7/8/2008 4:10:11 AM   
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Stallwart,
You should end up having to add closer to 3 1/2 oz. when using the Saito .82 by being sure the RX battery is as far forward as possible and figuring the additional weight of the 90 Degree muffler adapter, and the dubro exhaust diverter into the overall weight of the 4-stroke setup. I actually rounded off the weight of Evolution .61 with the in cowl muffler in my previous post. The actual weight of this combination is just over 23 1/4 oz.

I think with either set up you will find the Fokker DVII to be quite manueverable and very well behaved.


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RE: Hangar 9 Fokker DVII - 7/9/2008 3:13:54 AM   
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Bill,

I like the sound of only adding 3 1/2 oz. I already have the engine, a rt. angle adaptor and a deflector............just haven't ordered the plane yet.

One concern is that the 90 deg adaptor packaging advises against using with pipe and muffler, stating it is for use only with the flexible exhaust.

Thanks, Steve

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RE: Hangar 9 Fokker DVII - 7/12/2008 8:50:57 PM   
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Bill
If I order now from you all, will that be quicker than getting it through my LHS? And I assume that you'll have the special muffler for the EVO 61 available at the as well?
Thanks
Al
(By the way, keep 'em coming! Let's see an 80" (or so) FW190A soon! LOL)

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RE: Hangar 9 Fokker DVII - 7/12/2008 9:17:36 PM   
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To piggyback on Mobyal's question, is the Evo 61 in-cowl muffler shown on the website? Or do you have a pic to show?

Don.

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RE: Hangar 9 Fokker DVII - 7/16/2008 8:10:22 PM   
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I'm very interested in this plane - to the point that I've told my wife and daughters that I would like them to get it for me for my birthday or Christmas. I'm fairly new to this hobby. I have a high wing trainer (sky raider mk 1) and a h9 mustang pts. I've been flying since February (self-taught - no clubs near me).

I only have experience with the 2 stroke engines on my planes but I am also interested in 4 stroke. The 4S engines that I'm interested in are either the Saito 82 or the new thunder tiger 75. As to 2S, I would consider the evolution, magnum or os in .61. I believe os, tower and gms have engines that are .7?.

Realizing that this plane isn't out yet, what are the pluses minuses with these engines?

Also, I might add some sort of smoke system to the plane once I figure out how that works but someone told me they don't work well with 4S engines.

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RE: Hangar 9 Fokker DVII - 7/16/2008 10:24:55 PM   
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Rod:

Get some more stick time, and move up to a medium performance low wing sport aircraft, preferably another tail dragger. Leave the WWI biplanes for next year. You won't regret. From one who knows.

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RE: Hangar 9 Fokker DVII - 7/17/2008 5:06:56 AM   
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Does this plane nose over like the sopwith does.
Thats the main reason I don't fly my sopwith is she likes to nose over on landings

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RE: Hangar 9 Fokker DVII - 7/17/2008 5:35:52 AM   
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The .61 cowl for the Fokker DVII is due to ship to us mid Aug(honest) and the FokkerDVII is currently in transit to our warehouse. The mufflers are coming by air so they should arrive within a week of each other.

We should have the images for the new muffler up on the web-site next week. This muffler will also fit into all of our warbirds as well.

Kirwin50,
The Fokker does not nose over like the Camel.
I think you will find that the Fokker is quite a different bird than the Camel. The model definitely handles better(read that as more manueverable) and has much more power on tap since we are using a .61 rather than a .46 like the Camel was powered with.

I really enjoy just shooting touch & gos with the bird.


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RE: Hangar 9 Fokker DVII - 7/17/2008 10:57:17 PM   
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Bob,

Well, if I got it for Christmas, I would just barely have it before next year .

Seriously tho, thanks for the reply. I keep up with my flights pretty good. I've around 100, with about 25 being on the mustang (I don't count it as a flight unless I've burnt a tank of fuel - I've at least twice as many take-offs and landings than "flights" ) The only training aid that I've ever used on the mustang is the wing droops. I'm about to take them off. I should have twice that many flights by Christmas. I fly with a dx7. What sort of differences or obstacles would I encounter with a plane such as the fokker, that I will not encounter on my current planes? What sorts of things would more difficult?

Back to the engines, of those I listed, the saito and the evolution would be the top of my lists since they're from the same company as the plane. But, I wouldn't really know what differences to expect between the engines in the plane.

Thanks
Rodney

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RE: Hangar 9 Fokker DVII - 7/17/2008 11:30:23 PM   
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Rod:

I think you'll find the D-7 is designed for a two stroke, the way the Camel was. You can put another type of engine in it, but it will look best with whatever size two stroke they're specifying. It also sounds, from bbrundle's description, like they have a special muffler for it so that everything fits into the cowl. I believe it's been designed for the Evo 61, and will probably look and fly best with that engine.

WWI scale models, biplanes and triplanes, have a number of characteristics in common:
1. Short distance between wings and stabilizers.
2. Extremely light wing loading for their size. (15-16 oz per square foot is common; other scale birds in this size range will run twice that and more.)
3. Narrow track landing gear in relation to the wingspan.
4. Stabilizer area is a smaller percentage of wing area than almost anything I can think of. (check the horizontal stab area of your trainers, including the elevators, as a percentage of the wing area. It's probably around 25-30%. With WWI birds, you're lucky to get 15%, usually less. The Hangar 9 Camel is about 12%, if memory serves.)
5. Lots of weight concentrated forward of the wings, and behind the face of the cowl, in order to balance them.

All these taken together result in airplanes that, compared to your trainers, are:
1. Sensitive in pitch. An elevator input that results in a moderate climb on your trainers will result in a stall and possibly a spin on WWI birds, depending on a number of factors.
2. Unable to handle the lightest crosswind. The wind will get under the wings and flip the airplane over just when you think everything is ok on landing rollout. Rule number 1 is: never takeoff or attempt to land in a crosswind. Rule number 2 is refer to Rule number 1. I'm not exaggerating.
3. A tendency to be ok with the tail up, right until the critical angle is passed and all that weight in the nose pulls it over.

My advice: go ahead and get it for Christmas, but go build a .25 size Piper Cub first, and learn to handle it on the ground and fly it well. It has about all of the nasty characteristics of the WWI birds, except maybe the pitch sensitivity, and costs about 1/3 as much. Once you learn to fly it smoothly, then try the expensive WWI bird.

It's a huge temptation to jump ahead too quickly in this game. Flying those trainers, you have no idea how rough you are on the controls. Smoothness and progressiveness on the controls is critical, as is patience. (I use lots of expo on the elevators on my two birds to help with smoothness.)

I was given all the same advice I'm giving you, and went ahead and bought a Great Planes DR-1 triplane anyway. It would look a lot better than it does today if I had listened.

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RE: Hangar 9 Fokker DVII - 7/18/2008 1:31:05 AM   
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Thanks so much for the detailed reply. I know it took time to write that down and I really appreciate it - it's what I needed to know. It helps alot.

Is there a particular brand of .25 Piper Cub that you would recommend?

FWIW, I've been flying my planes without any expo because I thought it would help me when I got to a plane where I actually needed it. Sounds like I'm headed in that direction.

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RE: Hangar 9 Fokker DVII - 7/18/2008 2:27:39 AM   
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Rodney:


http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXFF96&P=0 (A Sig kit, $72.00)

http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXLWH2&P=0 (A Great Planes ARF, kinda pricey, $230.00, but you'd be able to take the gear out of either of your trainers and use it in the Cub)

http://www.horizonhobby.com/Products/Default.aspx?ProdID=HAN4000 (Hangar 9 ARF, $200.00)

http://www.nitroplanes.com/piperj3cub15.html (Best Bet, Nitro Planes ARF, $70, cheap enough to crash and not feel too bad.)



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RE: Hangar 9 Fokker DVII - 7/31/2008 3:05:36 PM   
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Mustang Fever To do a Electric version what will we need ? 6s 4500 battery? 60 amp speed control. What kind of battery acc. is there?



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RE: Hangar 9 Fokker DVII - 7/31/2008 3:29:25 PM   
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I'm not very knowledgeable on electric, out of the box or conversions. I would tend to go with the recommended setup. Can somebody else chime in, here?

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RE: Hangar 9 Fokker DVII - 7/31/2008 3:52:35 PM   
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Has anyone received one of these yet? I have one on order, but it has not arrived yet. Have they been shipped, what's going on???


Jeff


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