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RE: B-36 build thread and free plans - 6/23/2008 3:14:26 PM   
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I had an idea Mike you might consider, If you could setup your radio so you had 2 trottle channels you might beable to use the motors to help steer the airplane. i have seen electric airplanes where dual throttles were used in place of a ruder.

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RE: B-36 build thread and free plans - 6/23/2008 3:21:11 PM   
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Mike, ya didn't loose my post, just signed on to watch, great work!!

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RE: B-36 build thread and free plans - 6/23/2008 4:42:00 PM   
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Mike,

Yes I think that the throttle could be used to steer, but I still plan to go with the 9 channel JR x9303 radio so I should have plenty of channels. Especially if I utilize some Y harnesses.

Channels: Throttle, Retracts, elev, rudder, ailerons, flaps, bomb doors(?), and still have 2 channels unassigned.


skull1971, Watching is ok. Hopefully it's worth watching.

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RE: B-36 build thread and free plans - 6/24/2008 1:00:04 AM   
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Mike,

Yes I think that the throttle could be used to steer, but I still plan to go with the 9 channel JR x9303 radio so I should have plenty of channels. Especially if I utilize some Y harnesses.

Channels: Throttle, Retracts, elev, rudder, ailerons, flaps, bomb doors(?), and still have 2 channels unassigned.
Mike Roerig
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2 unassigned channels, there you go one more channel you can use!

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RE: B-36 build thread and free plans - 6/24/2008 9:37:28 AM   
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Mine steers fine without any throttle trickery. You may have noticed that the B-36 sits nose down on the runway so it will not lift off until it's rotated on take off.

To do this you cannot have too much weight on the nosewheel or the elevators will not be powerfull enough to raise the nose.

As a result I taxi & start the take off run with down elevator to help the nosewheel steer. Once you get rolling a little the rudder will steer the plane & everythings fine.

I do use a little rudder mixed with the ailerons to keep the tail up in turns. Mine has no flaps & I cannot see the need for them although they do look cool! - John.

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RE: B-36 build thread and free plans - 6/29/2008 9:39:53 AM   
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Hi Mike,

I've just spent a couple of hours playing catch-up with this thread as I seem to have neglected some of my subscribed build threads lately so a couple of questions and comments for you;

1. That's an interesting wing mounting system, how do you plan on moving/locking the sliding tubes?

2. You mentioned the B52 crash as being due to radio failure, but it was actually pilot error, (he got disoriented afer looking away for a second or two, and turned into the roll instead of against it)

3. It might be worth asking PatMac about parallelling batteries/motors in a multi configuration, he's quite knowledgeable about most thing electrickery.

4. The build's looking real good


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RE: B-36 build thread and free plans - 6/29/2008 4:42:48 PM   
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CF-FZG,

1. After placing the wing on the fuselage, the tubes in the wing slide rather easily in to the stationary tubes in the fuselage. The alignment is perfect because I epoxied the stationary fuselage tubes in to place while the sliding wing tubes were extended. Just a reminder, the wing tubes slide within a stationary tube that is epoxied in the wing. There are no places where carbon fiber tubing is sliding against balsa. I believe that your question is; how do I make sure the wing mount tubes don't slide out during flight. I haven't determined that yet. I want to make that decision at the very end. I want to get the batteries and receiver mounted first, so that I can see how much space I have. I am hoping that I can come up with something simple and reliable. I have some ideas, but it's really a matter of space.

2. The B-52 crash.... I must admit that my information came from someone who told someone who told someone.... Thank you for setting me straight. Perhaps you can answer a question for me. Is the B-52 in this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlTbAvnTAak the same B-52 that is in the crash video of http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRmg88t35Y0 I must admit that I am amazed. That was an astounding plane. I have heard that it was a club build project. If so, then I would assume that they would put only the best of pilots at the sticks. I hadn't even considered pilot error. I can see that it would be easy to get disoriented when flying it on a coudy day.

3. I don't have PatMac's comments in front of me, but I seem to recall that he was promoting 2 large battery packs wired in parallel. At first that didn't seem like a good idea to me, but I was applying my NiCad knowledge to LiPo's. It seemed logical to me that two LiPo packs would not charge identically, so when connecting them in parallel, the pack with a higher voltage would drain off it's excess to the pack that was charged to a lower battery voltage. It's not that I distrusted PatMac's advise, I just needed to take some time and get LiPo battery pack information from a few sources before making a decision. I like the idea of 3 packs, running 2 motors from each pack, but I think it's going to be much easier to install 2 packs. I would be foolish to use one pack per wing because a battery pack loss in flight (for whatever reason) would be catastrophic. The best option seems to be 2 packs in parallel. So PatMac was right. By the way, PatMac really helped me out with the documentation.

4. Thanks for the compliment. I have had some home maintenance to do so the B-36 was ignored for over a week now. I will have an update soon.


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RE: B-36 build thread and free plans - 6/29/2008 6:19:11 PM   
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Hi Mike,


1. Yes, that was my question, (I just didn't phrase it very well)

2. Yes, the same model in both videos. It was 'basically' a one-man build, (he was sponsored with the engines, 8 MW44 gas turbines, and IIRC a couple of shops sponsored him with some materials), the replacement however was I believe a joint effort with some club members, (but that one didn't complete it's maiden).


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RE: B-36 build thread and free plans - 7/1/2008 1:55:22 AM   
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This will be a short post.....

I should have added a bit more to question 1 from CF-FZG. The wing mount tubes are extended by reaching in to the bomb bay doors on the bottom.

I got back to working on the B-36 last night. I have completed the stationary sections of the trailing edge on the left wing. It took a bit longer than the right wing side because I tried to make the left wing a close mirror of the right wing so I took a lot of measurements.

I am working on the motor mounts for the left wing now and I hope to post photos tomorrow night.

Here is a photo of the left wing.





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RE: B-36 build thread and free plans - 7/1/2008 8:29:15 PM   
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Left wing looks Mike. Becareful with that slot machine, I have one and they spoil you rotten.

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RE: B-36 build thread and free plans - 7/1/2008 9:16:33 PM   
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Mike, I laughed at your comment about the slot machine. I was running late and didn't have time to crop the photo to trim the non essentials out of the photo. After reading your comment I took another look at the photo. I am surprised that you didn't comment about the tv screen. It's my prised new addition to my shop. A week ago we replaced our tv screen in the house and I moved the old 50" plasma tv screen to my workshop.

I do have high hopes for the slot machine. I was at the local RC shop and talking to someone about hinging. I commented how bad I am at creating clean pretty hinges and the guy behind the counter joined in to tell me that I just had to have a slot machine. Hopefully it will allow me to get all of the aileron hinges neatly installed and in alignment.

The photo also confirms that I am still a messy builder. I had just finished carving and sanding the trailing edge pieces when I took the photo and all of the shavings and sawdust were still there.

I hope to have another photo or two posted tonight that has the motor mounts installed on the left wing. If I get that far, I will also try to get weighed in too.

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RE: B-36 build thread and free plans - 7/1/2008 10:17:08 PM   
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I apologize for my previous post. Please disregard the comment about the tv screen. The comment didn't come out the way I meant. I was surprized and found it humorous that someone would inspect the photo enough to notice half of a box to a slot machine tool and I replied more than I should have.

RCMF allows previous posts to be edited. It would be nice to have that ability here.

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RE: B-36 build thread and free plans - 7/2/2008 4:12:03 AM   
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Well, I didn't get all 3 motors tacked in to place, but I did get 2 of them. There is just a touch of CA holding them for now so I can move them later for minor adjustment.

Here are 3 photos showing the progress.

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RE: B-36 build thread and free plans - 7/3/2008 1:11:44 AM   
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I now have the motors mounted in the left wing, close to where they should be. My goal at this point is to get the motors on the left wing to be in exactly the same location as those on the right wing.

I started by standing the wing halves on the workbench as shown in the first photo.

I then adhered 2 pieces of scrap balsa together and put a mark on the scrap balsa to show the location of the prop shafts from the right wing. This is shown in the second photo.

So tonight I will continue to make minor adjustments to the left wing motor shaft positions until they match the right wing. Then I will add more support, CA, and possibly epoxy to strengthen the connection of the motor mounts to the wing.

Then it is time to weigh in.

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