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Fuel price? - 2/17/2008 6:53:59 PM   
JPMacG


 

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Status: offline 		Has anyone else noticed that glow fuel has gone up about 20% in the last year? Or is it just my LHS?
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RE: Fuel price? - 2/17/2008 7:41:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		I have been paying around $15.00 per gallon of 15% Omega. My LHS said it is going up to over $20.00 per gallon due to more costs for shipping and hazard cost. Has anybody heard anything different? I believe Tower Hobby charges over $20.00 per a gallon depending what fuel you buy plus the shipping.

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RE: Fuel price? - 2/18/2008 6:25:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		my lhs is still charging the same price as they did when i first started in this great hobby. and that was around 4 years or so. and i pay $32.00 a gallon for 30% and for some reason 20% is the same price, that's why i use the 30%

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RE: Fuel price? - 3/9/2008 4:56:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hey guys, sorry for being the bearer of bad news but the facts are prices are going up and doing so at an alarming rate for ALL the materials used in model engine fuel. It is also aggrivated by the US Dollar being worth less and less every day.

Take a look at the gas prices, diesel prices. It all hinges on the cost of energy. Methanol prices are constantly fluctuating, the good synthetics have risen a lot, nitro took a jump, bottles caps and boxes are now very costly as well as the labels we stick on the bottles. The prices of all the raw materials have risen dramatically for all of us manufacturers and we have not even discussed the huge increases in truck freight to get our raw materials in, and then shipping finished product to the hobby distributers. Now lets factor in the cost increases to heat our buildings and turning on lights and pumps. I can keep going.....

As our costs increase and the cost of transportation increases, the price of glow fuel will increase too, and will continue to increase for at least the immediate future.

Nobody is making any more money on fuel than they ever did, actually the manufacturers are making less and less. If you guys are getting 15% for $15 a gallon, consider yourself extremely fortunate because when its gone, the new arrivals will be more.


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RE: Fuel price? - 3/10/2008 12:25:29 AM   
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Status: offline 		Energy costs across the world are going up
Methanol is made from natural gas and some extra energy to make so cost ~$1 a gallon to manufacturer in bulk some few thousand tons but arriving to shops in small jug makes it cost often more than $6 a gallon for neat methanol

Nitro is made from natural gas and requires lots of energy to make and cheapest rates costs ~$15 a gal inn 55 gallon drums but cost often more than $50 a galon in small jugs

Lubrication is mostly from oil and that more than $105 a barrel in crude and jug of EDL costs often more than $30 a gallon

Hazmat costs are going up

Gasoline costs are rising

YEP it fairly certain that stiff hikes are on the way and factor in oil companies gouging and it could even be painful

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RE: Fuel price? - 3/10/2008 6:12:25 PM   
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Status: offline 		Now would be an opportune time to switch to electric. Battery technology and motors are making great strides while glow fuel is becoming more expensive. Electrics perform almost as well as glow, somtimes better. Unfotunately, I find electic flight, well, boring.

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RE: Fuel price? - 3/10/2008 6:29:21 PM   
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Status: offline 		I can buy a lot of glow fuel for what it would cost to convert six 40 & 60 size planes to electric. My brother has about the same number of planes, so we're sticking with what we know and like.

I drive 90 miles round trip to the field. It's about 80 miles round trip for my brother. We've been riding together the past several trips because I've been flying my Uproar and it fits inside the cab of the truck. If we both take multiple (big) planes we have to take both trucks. The gas to and from the field costs a lot more than the glow fuel I use while I'm there.

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RE: Fuel price? - 3/11/2008 1:12:05 AM   
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Status: offline 		I do a lot of electric and I have to agree its still not a garentee that saving of a large benifit exist when you exceed 40 size glow models
Especially if you factor in low nitro fuel motors

If you do high nitro fuel 20% plus Heli or aircraft its possible that electric will be cheaper but if you do zero nitro or low nitro 5% the glow will probably be cheaper from 40 size upwards in simple fuel cost terms

however the reduced risks of unexpected engine failure crashes can swing the equations
Swings and roundabouts

below 40 size I do electric and dont bother with glow

Above 90 size I do glow
in between I figure the benefit ratios for me and glow wins 50% and electric wins the other 50% and EDF 1000mm and EDF 1100mm win hands down over the glow solutions

But figure in 1200MM Ducked Fan I will probably go with OS 90 and Ramteck and 30% nitro at 3onz per minute as the factoring in the $600 plus lipos and the $600 plus for the 3kw generator and the $600 plus for suitable chargers means that I need to use $1000 plus of glow fuel before I start to get my money back and who knows buy then they might have nuclear fusion powered models so I think glow will be around for a while unless it gets too much above $100 a gallon and thats a bad dream

But I really do adore my small s400 pylon electric which exceeds 130mph plus and which cant be done in glow

But my miodest wallet cant reach the orbital cost of larger electric planes

Balsaeater

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