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RE: [Deleted] - 3/11/2008 2:35:17 AM   
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Several of my posts and Swift472's post were deleted as we got off track. His questions were clarified and answered.

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RE: [Deleted] - 3/11/2008 2:51:10 AM   
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If I can make an obvious observation you should have immediately perceived that a 3-channel RTF electric aileron plane would have a FIXED rudder. Many parkflyers are more interested in learnng aileron control than hunting up thermals. Your love affair with thermals and R/E/T introduces bias into everyone of your replies. Perhaps it is you who should start another thread. It's not that I'm not interested in that aspect of flying, but it should have been obvious to you that was never the intent of any of my consistent posts. I could have posted very differently to satisfy your own interests/agenda more than the interest of a majority of beginner to intermediate parkflyers to which I favored my posts.

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RE: [Deleted] - 3/11/2008 7:37:48 AM   
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Hi Ed,
Thanks for a great post! I am a beginner, and I found some very valuable information in this thread.
Swift, please dont spoil this thread with your personal attacks

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RE: [Deleted] - 3/11/2008 11:44:44 AM   
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Swift,

I feel sorry for you. If the only way you are able to support your position is to attack others, you must not be terribly confident of your position.

As for myself, of the 25 planes in my current fleet, most have ailerons or elevons. Many have flaps as well. These include my electric planes, my DLGs, my TD unlimited gliders, my aerotowed gliders, slope glides and my electric gliders. All of my contest planes have ailerons. But I am no longer a self training beginner. I fly all kinds of planes with a variety of controls and enjoy them all.

If you believe people who are self trainers should self train with ailerons, that is your opinion and you are very much entitled to it. I fully support your promoting it, but please carry it on elsewhere. I suggest you start a thread that says, "New pilots who are going to be self trainers should have ailerons". Then make your position clear, support it and help the people who would like to follow your advice.

There are many paths to success. I have had great success with this approach. I have received many thank you notes from people whom I have never met personally who have had success with this approach. I have helped many members of our club achieve competence in the air. So I need no support or validation from you.

I will point out that I find little of what you write as clear or obvious. If you have a position, state it. If you have a question, state it. If you have a recommendation, make it and stop attacking me. It does not support your position, it makes you look unsure.

I grow very tired of your nagging. I will not tolerate any further attacks. If you continue on this path, I will delete your posts.

I and others have had overwhelming success with this approach. An entire class of flying has grown up around R/E/T flying. Manufacturers are having wild success selling new designs to meet the demand for these kinds of planes. Success speaks for itself.

May you be as successful with your approach.


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RE: [Deleted] - 3/11/2008 11:45:54 AM   
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quote:

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Hi Ed,
Thanks for a great post! I am a beginner, and I found some very valuable information in this thread.
Swift, please dont spoil this thread with your personal attacks


Glad you found some useful information. Any tips or personal insights you would be willing to share with others?

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RE: EVERYTHING YOU WANT TO KNOW ABOUT ELECTRIC FLIGHT - 3/11/2008 2:22:48 PM   
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What Goes on Which Stick?
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If you are flying an RTF electric plane, your radio and servos are already set-up for you. However if you are setting up an ARF or finishing a kit, you will be installing your own radio equipment. So, which stuff goes on which stick, and why?

We usually talk about what surface is controlled by what stick. However,
that is not really the right way to look at it.

First, the control axis:

Pitch - nose up/nose down - usually controlled by the elevator or elevator function of elevons

Roll - rotation of the wings around the fuselage - controlled by ailerons or the aileron function of elevons.

If the plane does not have ailerons or elevons, then roll can be controlled by the rudder or the rudder function of a V tail rudervators, depending on the design of the plane. On rudder only planes the rudder works with dihedral in the wings, the upward slant of the wings, to roll the plane.

Yaw - movement of the nose left or right - controlled by rudder or the rudder function if V tail ruddervators.

Speed - throttle control

If you are in a different part of the world, you may be flying mode 1, 3 or 4. I live in North America where Mode 2 is the standard, so the rest of this post will be referencing mode 2 control positions.

Note that I mention Mode 2, which is marked with the * below.

Left stick ...............Right Stick ..................Mode

Pitch and Yaw .......Speed and Roll ..............1

Speed and Yaw*......Pitch and Roll*..............2*

Pitch and Roll ..........Speed and Yaw ...........3

Speed and Roll ........Pitch and Yaw .............4

For a power plane, landing gear, flaps and other such functions are assigned
to switches, buttons, dials, sliders or levers, but are not defined as part of the mode definitions.

For a two stick radio, used in mode two format, the standard format in North
America, pitch and roll are on the right stick with roll ALWAYS being your
primary turning control. Yaw and speed control are on the left stick.

Based on mode 2 it is very easy to move from a dual stick to a single stick radio as the right, or the only stick, always have has your primary fight controls if pitch and roll.

Primary Speed control

Since this is written for electric flyers, we will assume you have an electric motor. On a two stick radio, the speed control is on the left stick and is controlled by the motion that goes toward you to turn the motor off and away from you to give full throttle. For a single stick radio the throttle control is usually on the left side and will be a slide, switch or lever.

Where does the rudder go?

Confusion often exists around where to put the rudder. Depending on the design of your plane, the rudder can play different roles so its placement can change. On a three channel electric plane without ailerons, the rudder is your primary turning surface. It provides both roll and yaw control so it goes on the right stick for roll control, as the primary turning surface. This stick also has pitch control provided by the elevator. The rudder will work with a feature of the wings, called dihedral or polyhedral, to roll or bank the plane when you want to turn.

What if there are ailerons, or elevons?

Primary flight controls of pitch and roll are always on the right stick, or the only stick. If this is a 3 channel plane with throttle, aileron and elevator controls only, like a flying wing that has elevon controls (combined elevator aileron in one surface), now where do I put things? Think of function rather than surface and you will know immediately. Which surface provides roll control? In this case it is the ailerons, so they go on the right stick with the elevator which provides pitch control.

If this is a 4 channel plane that has ailerons and a rudder, the ailerons are your primary roll control, so they go on the right stick. The rudder moves to the left hand stick to provide yaw control, which helps the ailerons turn the plane smoothly.

If you are flying off a runway, the rudder can be very valuable as it helps control your path down the runway during take-off and landing. If you have a steerable ground wheel it is usually attached to the rudder or the rudder channel. The rudder, in this configuration, also plays a valuable part during landing when we may wish to redirect the nose of the plane without tipping the wings using the ailerons.


Moving from single stick to dual stick radios

Some people feel it is confusing to move from a single stick radio to a dual stick, radio, however, if you are flying mode 2, it really isn't confusing at all. If you think of your radio and your controls in this manner, there is no confusion moving back and forth between single stick and dual stick radios or between three channel R/E/T planes and A/E/T planes or planes that are A/E/R/T.

On a single stick radio, pitch and roll are on the single stick, which happens to be oriented to the right side of the radio. If this is a dual stick radio, pitch and roll are still on the right hand stick. It doesn't matter if it is a rudder/elevator plane or an aileron/elevator plane. Pitch and roll are on the right stick, or the only stick.

Think of your controls this way and there is never a doubt what goes where or which controls to use when you switch between radios and planes.

I hope this was helpful.

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RE: [Deleted] - 3/11/2008 9:26:46 PM   
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Ed,
I subscribe and read this thread regularly. I have from the start of my flying adventure. I found it very informative and it has helped me make the right decisions that I would have had to stumble through otherwise. It's made learning to fly easy and most importantly FUN! Just wanted to thank you, it's great info.

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RE: [Deleted] - 3/11/2008 10:00:31 PM   
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That's great news Bluethunder. If you have any personal tips you would care to share, or insights that would help new flyers, they would be welcome.

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RE: EVERYTHING YOU WANT TO KNOW ABOUT ELECTRIC FLIGHT - 3/12/2008 3:55:39 AM   
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Thank you Ed for writing the "Everything you wanted to know about electric flight" piece. I found it very informative and usefull. I was wondering if you have any info you could share on the same as it applies to heli's?
Thanks again.

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RE: [Deleted] - 3/12/2008 4:21:01 AM   
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Sorry, I don't fly Helis.

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RE: EVERYTHING YOU WANT TO KNOW ABOUT ELECTRIC FLIGHT - 3/12/2008 8:30:53 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Empty Wallet


Thank you Ed for writing the "Everything you wanted to know about electric flight" piece. I found it very informative and useful. I was wondering if you have any info you could share on the same as it applies to heli's?
Thanks again.


Empty Wallet - take a look at RADD's School of Rotary Flight - Good starting point for learning to fly an Electric Heli. Very challenging, but quite rewarding as well.

However, based on your handle maybe heli's aren't for you

Cheers,
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RE: EVERYTHING YOU WANT TO KNOW ABOUT ELECTRIC FLIGHT - 3/13/2008 7:46:54 AM   
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Actually the handle started out as a little joke I have going with my wife. I used Radds when I first started to learn how to fly. It was very usefull, thanks.

What I am looking for is more info on how to size motors, batteries and electronics according to the physical and use requirements of a given helicopter.
Any sugestions?

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RE: EVERYTHING YOU WANT TO KNOW ABOUT ELECTRIC FLIGHT - 3/21/2008 5:58:14 AM   
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Hi,

Thanks for this thread. it is tremendusly helpful.

I'm considering converting a Carl Goldberg Decathlon ARF .60 . I'm uneperienced with electrics, but I've flown all my life. 3D and IMAC etc.... since the ARF says to be around 10.5lbs AUW when finished in the manual and I want to fly slow rolling circles and have straight verticals with snapping capability. I have calculated on 100W/lb basis.

I would appreciate your help and suggestion on the following:

motor esc prop pack: I have chosen combo 60 on this site http://www.maxxprod.com/mpi/mpi-264.html site,

pack: TP 4000mah 8S2P on this site http://www.cheapbatterypacks.com/main.asp

charger: TP 1010C on this site http://www.cheapbatterypacks.com/?sid=1047149&pgid=chrg&scat=LIPO

Please confirm if you think is a good idea and if you suggest a gearbox or direct drive.

thanks in advance......


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RE: [Deleted] - 3/22/2008 5:46:37 PM   
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Ok. so I just bought an extreme flight yak 54 47". it weights AUW 2.4lbs, it comes with all the complete 3s combo (www.extremeflightrc.com/html/yak54e.html) and I want to buy an extra battery pack . please tell me if this TP pack would be a good choice http://www.rctoys.com/rc-toys-and-parts/TP-2100-3SPL/RC-PARTS-THUNDER-POWER-3-CELL-LITHIUM-BATTERIES.html

it's less C, but is 40grams lighter.........

thanks

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