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RE: EF Chinn Yak - 12/27/2009 5:09 AM   
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RE: EF Chinn Yak - 12/28/2009 2:33 AM   
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RE: EF Chinn Yak - 1/2/2010 9:03 AM   
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Status: offline 		So are those the carbon reinforcements EF sends now? Bought mine this fall and didn't get those... I'm in the process of repairing mine; Saito 82 quit in a hover about 100' up and I didn't have enuf room to flare out at the bottom. The ply side plates were pretty much in pieces, so I glued them back together as best I could and added a 5/16 birch stick thru the middle to strengthen and give something to glue the ply pieces to, as one of the carbon tubes was broken as well. I have some little pieces of carbon tube from a destroyed RCU Flatouts bipe that I could use to strengthen the tail...

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RE: EF Chinn Yak - 1/2/2010 7:42 PM   
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Status: offline 		looks like you're doing a good job of putting it back together. That's where mine broke too. For the carbon fiber rods, you can get it at most hobby shops. It's about 1/8th inch.

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RE: EF Chinn Yak - 1/7/2010 4:55 AM   
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RE: EF Chinn Yak - 1/7/2010 5:11 AM   
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RE: EF Chinn Yak - 1/7/2010 7:31 PM   
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Picked one of these up a few weeks ago, question I have 55AX and a magnum 80 4ST, which would be best match for this plane? Never thought I'd own a profile


McDDD is right on. The magnum is HEAVY and will kill the performance of this fine airplane. FWIW the video on the Extreme flight site right now is McDDD and he is using an OS 55AX on that plane. Watching that video will erase any doubt that it is the right engine!


As far as "never thought I'd own a Profile" goes, you will be very happy. Once you get into them, you love how they fly and all of the rest of your fleet will have less and less appeal. My hangar now is almost all profiles and I have no regrets - they are such a blast.

When you get the ARF, go in where the tail servo extension wires go with a stick and epoxy and beef up the tube to ply joints that you can see. This will make that area stronger.

The Chinn Yak is a fantastic plane! Good choice!

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RE: EF Chinn Yak - 1/7/2010 7:48 PM   
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RE: EF Chinn Yak - 1/12/2010 2:41 AM   
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RE: EF Chinn Yak - 1/23/2010 4:28 AM   
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RE: EF Chinn Yak - 1/23/2010 7:10 PM   
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Status: offline 		In my opinion loose the heavy hub. I'm at 5 7/8" back with mine and love it. Lighness is a plus with this plane as you are flying in a stalled condition most of the time with the 3D moves. Try to save weight anywhere you can. Guys are flying this plane at 6" back and even a little further. They guy flying in the EF video (McDDD) is flying that plane at 6 3/8" back. Without the heavy hub you will probably be at a good starting point. The CG recommendations in the manual are very conservative.

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RE: EF Chinn Yak - 1/23/2010 9:44 PM   
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RE: EF Chinn Yak - 1/23/2010 9:53 PM   
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First profile for me, and after reading threw alot of this pro bro stuff, more than likely my last.

Just curious, but what "pro bro stuff" did you read that convinced you this will be your last profile?

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RE: EF Chinn Yak - 1/23/2010 10:37 PM   
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First profile for me, and after reading threw alot of this pro bro stuff, more than likely my last.

Just curious, but what ''pro bro stuff'' did you read that convinced you this will be your last profile?


Yea, no kidding. I guess we're pretty bad salesmen.

You tend to get pretty self righteous when you find God ya know. We all suffer a bit from that syndrome.

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RE: EF Chinn Yak - 1/23/2010 11:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well honestly I'm in this hobby /sport for fun, not to be little ppl, not to think that I'm entitled, from some of the stuff that I read, it turned me off completely. I know that all of us, and I'm guilty of it myself, act like children and call each other names at times, but some of this junk was down right ignorant. I don't know, maybe it's just me ,but I don't want to be associated with a group that the requirements are to be an ass, and to not have respect for my fellow flyers. I look at it this way, those circle jerks paved the way for the rest of us, and funny thing I'm sure a few circle jerks taught several of you to fly, but hey to each his/her own

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RE: EF Chinn Yak - 1/24/2010 12:10 AM   
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Status: offline 		Dude....you came away with a totally wrong first impression of the "Bro's"!!!

I have only had the chance to personally meet a couple of them,Effingham 08..... but the entire brotherhood is comprised of some of RC's most skilled, down home innovators, designers, and all around good guys...
They have only one goal....To have as much fun flying RC as possible, with the best platforms we can get our hands on....and that just happens to be PROFILES!!!

If you want real information, without factory hype...ask a Bro!
If you need it...the Bro's have it, or know where to get it!!
If you need it fixed.....ask a Bro!!
If you need to learn 3D...find a Bro!!!

I could go on at length about some of the fantastic things the Bro's have done............like Bro Horeb in Cuba...or Bro Spacey in Australia, but it's up to you to find that out.

You judge too quickly, and too harshly............

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RE: EF Chinn Yak - 1/24/2010 1:52 AM   
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First profile for me, and after reading threw alot of this pro bro stuff, more than likely my last.


I recommend that you fly the plane 1st before judging. I think you will quickly find that it is the most agile & fun plane in your fleet. After flying it, you will see what all the hype about profile 3D planes is all about. Heavy planes with small control surfaces will have less and less apeal. Just the opposite of what you suspect will happen - you will find yourself wanting MORE profiles

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RE: EF Chinn Yak - 1/24/2010 2:25 AM   
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Well honestly I'm in this hobby /sport for fun, not to be little ppl, not to think that I'm entitled, from some of the stuff that I read, it turned me off completely. I know that all of us, and I'm guilty of it myself, act like children and call each other names at times, but some of this junk was down right ignorant. I don't know, maybe it's just me ,but I don't want to be associated with a group that the requirements are to be an ass, and to not have respect for my fellow flyers. I look at it this way, those circle jerks paved the way for the rest of us, and funny thing I'm sure a few circle jerks taught several of you to fly, but hey to each his/her own


Wow. Did you get that from this thread or the pro bro site?

I'll be the first to admit that the brotherhood is among the most outspoken single group of R/C flyers I've ever known. There are a lot of strong personalities among their (OUR) ranks, and it can be easy to get a harsh first impression. However, I think if you decide NOT to get a profile based on "bad character traits" or off color remarks made by anyone, regardless of what kind of plane they prefer, you're really doing yourself a disservice and will greatly limit yourself from a worthwile discovery.

There is a lot of history behind "the attitude" I think you're perceiving and I do know what you're talking about. But I know I'm gonna try to always go to at least one "Pro Bro" event each year. Great folks, great times, and among the best friends I have.

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RE: EF Chinn Yak - 1/24/2010 3:45 AM   
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oh I'm definately going to do that. It's not the profile plane it's self that I have problem with. I'm hoping to learn alot from this plane, the hype had nothing to do with purchase, it was an impulse buy, and a learning tool. I want to learn from it so I can bring my other planes DOD with confidence. If I do fall in love with profile, there's alot on the market. I was looking strongly at the mojo, as a build,but thats changed now.

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The purchase has already been made, she's balanced and ready for maiden flight. I don't think it's outspoken,or strong personalities, I think it's rude and disrespectful, and it's doing more harm than good, with this kind of attitude. Maybe you can help me understand the history behind "the attitude" take you for example you don't seem to have this attitude. I read alot of your posts, and you have alot of knowledge, hell I soak it up like a sponge, prop suggestions and so forth. I know that not all pro bro's are like this, but it does kinda shine a bad light on the group as a whole IMO, which isn't worth much. I don't care if your DOD, banging sticks, or flying the pattern, as long as your having fun, that's what it's all about. I just don't understand the BS

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RE: EF Chinn Yak - 1/24/2010 6:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		The Pro Bros are a very ecclectic group. It would be wrong to characterize them by any single trait other than perhaps to say they have all gravitated to "the Brotherhood" because they REVEL in the excellent qualities of profile planes. This characteristic can sometimes border on "zealousy" in that it tends to make outspoken converts of otherwise mild mannered folk.

If you go to a Pro Bro (event), you will probably hear this said:

1) there is only 1 rule : "no whining"

It is expected that planes will be hovering over the runway (DOD). The safety concerns are obvious to those who have the skill to partake in such activity, and if one is uneasy about flying so many planes in close quarters, with or without a spotter, then they should not participate. These events are NOT reckless, and the caliber of flying (and building) can be world class in many cases. This means you're in the company of experts in many facets of the hobby.

The genesis of the first pro bro gatherings occurred because guys who chose to fly this way were often chastized in their own clubs. They "hogged the runway" when others wanted it to be clear often "just in case" they needed to land deadstick. Hovering and flying 3D DOD clashed with conventional flyers wanting to make low high speed passes. Their skills were unappreciated and they were seen as a nuisance. They shared many of the oil vs water airspace arguments that heli flyers often get when integrated into an airplane airspace except many of these flyers were themselves airplane guys who flew planes like helis.

Now I'm not going to justify the rudeness I believe you experienced. However, you need to realize that many of the pro bros have been first the victims of some sort of exclusion due to their newfound passion. Their planes were "ugly," they were "unsafe", the "hogged the runway" and they should "go someplace else" or "fly normally."

Keep in mind the skills needed to fly this way dictate that quite often these flyers were far more trustworthy in the air than a lot of the instigators of their exclusion arguments. The reaction of many in this situation will obviously lead to a sense of "entitlement" as you say.

I'm not trying to recruit you. I'm also not defending those who may have offended you. I am simply accepting them open mindedly and realizing they are human, and despite any perceived shortcomings, if they really embrace the spirit of why the profile brotherhood exists, chances are I will learn something from them, and in many cases may even enjoy their company.

The Bro's are diamonds in the ruff. They are NOT politically correct, and they revel in embracing new ideas and flushing out things which work, and those which do not. They have been known to attack ruthlessly, and have been banned in some circles. But at the core I have always found they are good people and like me they have a quest for truth (in the practice of furthering airplane technology, and life in general).

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RE: EF Chinn Yak - 1/24/2010 7:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		Can't believe I'm actually going to participate in this conversation OHNOUCDAT, it seems that your potential "closemindedness" will have a negative impact on your profile experience. Whatever it is that you have read or seen that was uttered by another individual or individuals only affects you if you allow it, and to generalize that all people of an organization or affilliation are exactly the same is belitteling the very group you state turned you off by belitteling people.

Joe (WindJunkie) made very good points which I hope gave you some insight. You get out of this hobby what you put into it. If you approach the profile experience with negativity you will likely have a negative outcome. Are there some edgey comments and conversations? Sure......just like every other segement of every other group of people with shared interests.

Here's to wishing you the very best with your ChinnYak. It is an extremely capable plane and a lot of fun to fly. It will challenge you and make you a better pilot. So will hanging out with the Bro's. One final word of caution. You had stated that you wanted the CY to help hone your skills so that you could bring your "other" birds DOD. Please understand that the CY (and profiles in general) is a "purpose specific" plane, a tool for a style of flying. When you master it DOD, you will have a blast and your confidence will soar. If you think you will then be able to do take other sport planes DOD and do the same things, you will be sadly disappointed and need lots of GLAD garbage bags.

So good luck with whatever you decide and remember, a closed mind is a terrible thing to waste.

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RE: EF Chinn Yak - 1/25/2010 5:40 AM   
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TY I can kinda see where it all comes from, while I may not agree with it. I may have painted the group with to broad a stroke of the brush, so to speak. I apologise for that. While the comments have not been directed toward me, it just seemed to be a pattern. I think I have a better understanding now. Will any of this have an affect on me going out and having some fun with this plane,not in the least.

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RE: EF Chinn Yak - 1/25/2010 7:20 AM   
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Status: offline 		Onoucdat, thanks for giving me an honest answer to my question.

Now it's my turn for honesty.

Did you notice that each time you posted on this thread......it was only the Probro members that bothered to answer or reply to your posts? Did you find our remarks to be rude? Full of BS? Or disrespectful? I didn't see any evidence of that at all. And if you take the time to get to know the rest of the Probros, you'll find we are all a bunch of pretty good guys.

In fact, of about 50 Probro members I've personally met, nearly all of them were among the best pilots in their respective clubs. They were the test pilots, the instructors, the engine gurus, the electric gurus, and often an officer of their club. I have a great deal of respect for each of the Probros I've personally met, and also for those who I only know from the internet.

The Chinn Yak with an OS 55AX is a very capable 3D machine. You can learn a lot from it. But if your goal is to quickly master DOD 3D with the Chinn Yak simply so you can bring your "real 3D planes" down low, you are setting yourself up for a major disappointment.

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RE: EF Chinn Yak - 1/25/2010 8:38 AM   
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Status: offline 		Oh yeah there it is, so when did anyone say or establish that a profile wasn't a "REAL 3D PLANE" This was the purpose of buying the yak, because I thought it was a 3d "PLANE" I'd becareful with your honesty, you may just prove my point. I think you may already have actually.
Here's where I made a mistake I took comments from 4 or 5 or 6, and they kinda got to me a little. I painted the whole group as bad, which is actually ridiculous on my part. I apologised for it.
After hearing or I should say reading, some of what wind junkie wrote, I have a better understanding where it comes from. It's kinda like the electric guys and the nitro/gas flyers and how they go at each other sometimes.
Do I think I'm going to learn this over night, absolutely not, good possibility that I may not have the skill to do it at all. Am I going to try, sure am. Here's a funny for you, figured the yak would meet mother earth rather quickly, so today went out and purchased another profile for bk up. I have no doubt I'll catch a little grief over the profiles from a few club members, but if they don't like them, they can let me learn on there scale stuff, I just can't afford to do it with mine. My bank account just can't handle it.

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RE: EF Chinn Yak - 1/25/2010 11:20 PM   
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Oh yeah there it is, so when did anyone say or establish that a profile wasn't a ''REAL 3D PLANE'' This was the purpose of buying the yak, because I thought it was a 3d ''PLANE'' I'd becareful with your honesty, you may just prove my point. I think you may already have actually.


There WHAT is? I don't think he said anything about the CY not being a "Real 3D Plane" did he? I can tell you that we are told that profiles ARE NOT real planes all the time though....."Because a real plane won't do that"..... I don't understand your comment about "being careful with honesty", and what point of yours was proved? Please explain.

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Here's where I made a mistake I took comments from 4 or 5 or 6, and they kinda got to me a little. I painted the whole group as bad, which is actually ridiculous on my part. I apologised for it.
After hearing or I should say reading, some of what wind junkie wrote, I have a better understanding where it comes from. It's kinda like the electric guys and the nitro/gas flyers and how they go at each other sometimes.


Good points!

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Do I think I'm going to learn this over night, absolutely not, good possibility that I may not have the skill to do it at all. Am I going to try, sure am. Here's a funny for you, figured the yak would meet mother earth rather quickly, so today went out and purchased another profile for bk up. I have no doubt I'll catch a little grief over the profiles from a few club members, but if they don't like them, they can let me learn on there scale stuff, I just can't afford to do it with mine. My bank account just can't handle it.


I have no doubt that you can learn to do this. Flying 3D is a learned skill, just like golf or anything else really. Once you understand how a stick movement affects the plane in a certian attitude and places it in another it's just a matter of practice to reinforce the muscle memory of those actions. The key is to burn fuel and practice, practice, and practice some more. The biggest thing for me was to learn to use the rudder. Regular sport flying for me did not incorporate a lot of rudder.....it was just a sort of turn and burn kind of thing. In learning 3D the required use of rudder to pull off moves was immediately noticed, so get comfy with the rudder.

Finally, I think what was referred to as "real planes" was more like a "full fuse" reference or a scale likeness. As I stated above, we are told all the time that profiles are not real planes. Like any of our toy models are "real". What Dave may have been telling you was similar to what I mentioned in my earlier post. "Be careful about trying to do with other planes what you can do with profiles." The added weight, smaller control surfaces, etc. can seriously limit the performance envelope. Even on planes that are advertised as 3D monsters.

Glad to hear that you are filling the pipeline with a back up already. What did you order for your second plane? Throw some pics up of the CY and any questions you might have. I'm sure guys will pop in to help if you need it. I'm sure you have heard of the other place too, so if things are slow here and you can't find an answer, feel free to drop in and ask away.

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