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RE: P-47 paint scheme?? Any info on this one--in--> - 2/25/2008 12:45:29 AM   
t_burley



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Status: offline 		Dave thanks. I will post pics when she is all done and painted here.
I currently have a build thread at RCSB, but havent updated it in a bit.

Jason thank you as well. My 109 now is in the good hands of Dino Digiorgio
back in Florida.

look forward to getting mine painted here by summer. wonderfull scheme these
upper black schemes are.

Todd

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RE: P-47 paint scheme?? Any info on this one--in--> - 2/25/2008 2:59:37 AM   
jnaarnold



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Status: offline 		Hey guys, thank you so much for all the input. Now, an important question....is that just regular old flat black? I mean, when I go to home Depot to get some latex mixed, is that what I should ask for? Also, what exactly do I get mixed, is there a certain brand that is better than others? Can I sand/wet sand latex? Do I get flat or satin. I am sorry but this is really my first, close to scale plane. Thanks....
John

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RE: P-47 paint scheme?? Any info on this one--in--> - 2/25/2008 1:25:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		Dave,

Will have to defer to you on colour as I am no 56th FG expert.

Funnily enough I had a friendly arguement with Roger Freeman whilst we were at Boxted that year you come over in regard to the colour of 361st FG Mustangs - he swore they were blue. We cannot find one pilot or ground crew member, or any evidence from crash digs to support this - all the evidence we have says they were Olive Drab - I guess memories fade after 60 years or so!!

Will check and see what info I have on the 2 black & whites - sure you are right on the 2nd one.

Can't wait see next model - they are always a real treat!.

Best regards

jason

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RE: P-47 paint scheme?? Any info on this one--in--> - 2/25/2008 1:56:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		John I use Bear Primimum exterior Latex for everything . Get the flat. If I have to sand the Latex I use the green sanding pad. I use the touch up spray gun I got at Walmart. Works fine. I have painted about 17 planes with Latex. It takes a little practice to get it right. but it is worth it. Hope this helps. Rich

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RE: P-47 paint scheme?? Any info on this one--in--> - 2/26/2008 4:00:35 AM   
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Status: offline 		Hi Johnny Bronco: I'm afraid that without a piece of the actual painted metal from one of those airplanes, none of which still exist (all planes were chopped up and destroyed at the end of the war in England) we'll never know for sure. But it was a flat black, and one that probably did not have purplish hues to it, although in some lighting conditions, and when some were polished by crew chiefs, might have given off a hue other than black. What I did on mine was just use a common matte black color, and it seemed to approximate what the planes were painted like. Keep in mind that these planes were painted in the field after arriving in NMF from the Republic factory, and although they (the crew chiefs and painting crews) did their best to make them look good, they were killing machines, and a cool paintjob was secondary to having them fulfill their operational missions successfully. So the extreme ends we go to in making them look just right as modelers probably never even occured to them at the time.
Also, remember that these planes were painted in the last months of the war, and only had limited action before VE Day on May 8, 1945. So the planes looked pretty new, and had minimal weathering, unlike some earlier planes with the OD paintjobs.

Hope this helps.

Regards,

Davegee

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RE: P-47 paint scheme?? Any info on this one--in--> - 2/26/2008 4:25:14 AM   
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Status: offline 		Hi Jason: yes, an interesting subject. There is at least one P-51D painted up in 361st colors that has that blue paint scheme, that you allude to (I've attached a pic of this plane). I have seen several color pics of these planes flying circa 1944, and there is no question that they have OD camo on the upper fuselage, tail and wings, in some cases. If there is one that is painted blue, I'd like to see it. I have found that some of these owners of multimillion dollar restorations of these great planes don't necessarily follow accurate color renditions of the planes. There is no question that we modelers in many cases do a much better job with our accuurate details than some of them do. One of the most egregious ones that comes to mind was a CAF (Commemorative Air Force) P-47N painted up as a 63rd FS plane from the 56th FG in the two toned blues that were used on their M models near the end of the war. It was ridiculous in 100 ways, but who ever owned it probably didn't care about historical accuracy when he had it painted. This plane I believe was later involved in a landing accident/fire, and has been rebuilt and painted as a proper P-47N that flew out of Ie Shima, Japan in 1945.

I'll attach a pic of a classic error on the full sized restorations. This beautiful P-51D was at last October's Gathering of Mustangs. I think this shows an artist's wistful rendition of what they think looks "cool" versus what the planes actually looked like. Also another dead giveaway: look at the fictional squadron codes, aft of star and bar. This to me shows someone who can paint an airplane with a beautiful looking paintjob, but knows little or care little about historical accuracy.

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RE: P-47 paint scheme?? Any info on this one--in--> - 2/26/2008 2:39:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		What? Do you mean this is not bright baby blue?!

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RE: P-47 paint scheme?? Any info on this one--in--> - 2/27/2008 11:54:01 AM   
jnaarnold



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Status: offline 		Rich,
How much do you thin the latex? Do you clear the latex with anything when you are done? Also, Is the latex glow proof? How long should I let it dry before using? Would anyone know what Flat Black to get as far as color codes? And, lastly, is it possible to get just a quart of Behr latex? Thanks......
John

anyone, feel free to reply....

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RE: P-47 paint scheme?? Any info on this one--in--> - 2/27/2008 1:59:22 PM   
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Status: offline 		John check this artical http://www.vaillyaviation.com/Intro.html Roy explains it real good.
I thin the latex about 1to 1 . Latex is not glow fuel proof. It is fine for gas motors.
After the latex is painted I let it set for at least a week before I put Ultracoat flat clear one then let it set for another week before I fly it. You can buy latex in a quart.
You can put other colors of paint on in about an hour of your first coat. Practice and patinence is the key to spraying latex. Most colors of latex covers real good. Generaly 2 coats will do it. Hope this helps Rich

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RE: P-47 paint scheme?? Any info on this one--in--> - 2/27/2008 10:14:43 PM   
jnaarnold



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RE: P-47 paint scheme?? Any info on this one--in--> - 2/27/2008 10:50:20 PM   
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RE: P-47 paint scheme?? Any info on this onein> - 5/2/2008 1:50:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hi guys, by my user name you will see that I am `Lanny' Lanowski's son.
i found this thread whilst surfing for some info, and thaught I would clarify some issues regarding the colour of my fathers Jug.
it was in fact a dark purple (plum). not a black or blue shade.
also for anyone interested, I can give a history on the emblem which actually dates a few hundred years back...!!

regards

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RE: P-47 paint scheme?? Any info on this onein> - 5/2/2008 2:32:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hi Krys: great to hear from you! I am a great fan of the 56th FG and the people in it. That is very interesting information about your father's plane. A friend of mine, Russ Kyler, who flew with your dad in the 61st FS, told me they were definitely matte black (at least his plane was.) In 2005, Russ got to meet another of your dad's brethren, Mike Gladych up in Seattle, who was in very good shape at 95 years old. Russ got his first "kill" on Mike's wing.

I'm sure I and others reading this thread would love to know more about your dad's plane, and the very neat logo painted on the cowl and its meaning. Do you have any pics you would be willing to attach on the thread?

Davegee

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RE: P-47 paint scheme?? Any info on this onein> - 5/2/2008 3:34:51 PM   
t_burley



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Status: offline 		Krys thanks for logging on here.

I am soon to be painting my P47 as mentioned above based on your
Father's plane. I sent you a PM here as well.

look forward to any further info you may have.

cheers

Todd

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RE: P-47 paint scheme?? Any info on this onein> - 5/2/2008 4:24:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		Krys,

I would love to hear/read more about your dad's plane!


Any pointers on solid documentation for the colours would also be appreciated (from anyone here, not just Krys).

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RE: P-47 paint scheme?? Any info on this onein> - 5/3/2008 6:49:04 PM   
lannys son