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jnaarnold -> P-47 paint scheme?? Any info on this one--in--> (2/22/2008 3:53:48 AM)

Does anyone have any information on what the colors would be on this plane? Maybe from Testors or Warbird Colors? Thanks. John



P-51B -> RE: P-47 paint scheme?? Any info on this one--in--> (2/22/2008 4:34:47 AM)

I don't recall the exact colours at the moment, but if you google 61st FS, 56th FG, 8th AF you should find some leads, if someone here doesn't know first![:)]



Whistling Death -> RE: P-47 paint scheme?? Any info on this one--in--> (2/22/2008 5:40:39 AM)

http://www.littlefriends.co.uk/
http://www.cybermodeler.com
Try these too.



warbirdcolors -> RE: P-47 paint scheme?? Any info on this one--in--> (2/22/2008 6:26:32 AM)

Johnny,
I think the correct colors are olive drab uppers with neutral grey undersides, and the red (which in fact would likely have been any old red kicking around at the time), probably an RAF color, like their roundel red, but it may have been the US insignai red as well.... The insignia red will work and look very good... Here's a link to a flying P-47 done in this scheme...

http://www.davidpride.com/AirVenture/Osh87_43.htm

Chuck



Rebel Flyer -> RE: P-47 paint scheme?? Any info on this one--in--> (2/22/2008 12:02:43 PM)

I have seen a picture of a Jug like the one you want to do, but it was a black uppersurface HV-Z, spring of 1945. There are some differences though.

The stars and bars are outlined in light blue. Same color as the light blue used by the RAF in the China-Berma-India theater(CBI)

The stars on the wings are much smaller.

The "Z" in the squadron codes are underlined, meaning it is a duplicate.

The canopy frame is unfinished aluminium, along with the leading edges of the wings to the first spar.

The red on the cowl is painted too far aft. It should only go to the first panel line after the sharp curve in the cowl.

The serial number is 421108

It has a really simple nose art pattern I could probably scan it for you and e-mail it to you if you want it.

Hope this helps

Rebel



jasonp51d -> RE: P-47 paint scheme?? Any info on this one--in--> (2/22/2008 3:23:29 PM)

The 56th FG a/c were painted all sorts of colours - some blues - some browns - I think this one was a chocalate brown - found these color photos & side views.

Good luck

Jason



P-51B -> RE: P-47 paint scheme?? Any info on this one--in--> (2/22/2008 3:55:14 PM)

No, it is a dark navy blue with red trim. I just don't remember the exact colors. I saw them listed somewhere, just can't remember where.[:o]



Chad Veich -> RE: P-47 paint scheme?? Any info on this one--in--> (2/22/2008 7:31:36 PM)

I'm pretty certain P-51B is correct in that this particular Jug was a very dark blue. The undersides would have been left natural metal. Maybe one Mr. Dave Gee will check in here. He has built a Jug in similar colors and has done considerable research on the subject.



TLH101 -> RE: P-47 paint scheme?? Any info on this one--in--> (2/22/2008 10:36:07 PM)

I read somewhere, that the 56th used a lot of British colors on their aircraft, so you may need to check the British color charts for the correct colors. I beleive I found that info when researching the colors on Gabreski's P-47. I'll see what what I can find.



TLH101 -> RE: P-47 paint scheme?? Any info on this one--in--> (2/22/2008 10:40:39 PM)

Just found this at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/56th_Fighter_Group
"The P-47C and P-47D aircraft received by the 56th FG were finished in factory-applied olive drab (OD) with gray lower surfaces. Because the P-47 was the only radial engined allied fighter, the danger of other allied fighters mistaking it for the Fw 190 caused VIII Fighter Command to have 24-inch white cowl bands painted on the noses of P-47s after March 1943. Other rapid identification measures used were white banding on both the tail fin and horizontal stabilizers, and the use of oversized USAAF roundels on the undersides of both wings.[11]

The USAAF ended the factory-applied camouflage on all aircraft produced after February 13, 1944, and the first unpainted block 21 "razorback" canopy and block 25 "bubble-top" canopy models arrived in May.[12][13] The first "silver" aircraft, 42-26044, was left uncamouflaged, given the name Silver Lady, and flown in combat by Capt. James Carter and Major Les Smith of the 61st FS. The first bubbletops, dubbed "Superbolts", were assigned to the group and squadron commanders until more became available.[14]

The 56th applied field camouflage to most but not all of these replacement fighters. Most bubbletops were given an RAF-style "shadow-shading" (disruptive) pattern of "RAF green" (a shade similar to olive drab) overlaid on light sea gray (another RAF shade) on upper surfaces, while most razorbacks were field-painted in overall dark OD on upper and light gray on lower surfaces. Shadow shading, however, appeared in a variety of schemes and colors, adding to the distinction of the group's aircraft.

When P-47M's appeared in January 1945, each squadron adopted an individual camouflage scheme on upper surfaces while lower surfaces of the fighters were left unpainted. The 61st used a matte black color that faded to a dark purple. The 62nd continued the green-and-gray shadow-shading pattern, while the 63rd went to a shadow-shading pattern of "deep Mediterranean blue" (indigo) applied over sky blue.[15]

VIII Fighter Command assigned the 56th Fighter Group two-letter squadron indentification codes to be painted on the fuselages of its fighters, and each squadron assigned its aircraft individual letter identifiers. (The letters chosen for the 56th had previously been assigned to the 1st Fighter Group before it went to the Twelfth Air Force.) In early February 1944 the 56th replaced its white cowl bands with a different color for each squadron. This innovation lasted until mid-March, when VIII Fighter Command adopted a color system for all Eighth Air Force fighter groups. The 56th painted its noses red and later applied the squadron colors to the tail rudders of its Thunderbolts, an innovation that VIII Fighter Command also borrowed. The 56th discontinued use of squadron colors when it changed to P-47M's"



jasonp51d -> RE: P-47 paint scheme?? Any info on this one--in--> (2/23/2008 9:22:10 AM)

Chad,

From memory Dave Gee produced a wonderful model of Russ Kyler HV-J "Lorene" which was a dark brown almost black.

[image]http://www.littlefriends.co.uk/gallery/56g/hv-j.jpg[/image]

Despite looking through several 56th FG & 8th AF books I have not been able to track down anything on HV-K yet.

Best regards

Jason



jnaarnold -> RE: P-47 paint scheme?? Any info on this one--in--> (2/23/2008 12:57:12 PM)

Thanks guys, wow alot of reading. Also, a few other questions.
1- What type of paint would be best for the price. I have access to an airbrush, but do not have one myself. I really do not mind spray cans. I have done a few planes with them and they came out really good.
2- I want to clear with minwax polycrilic, is this glow proof?
Again, thanks.
John

What about this blue?? http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXEAN0&P=0 Also, this is lacquer, is that compatible with other paints, and especially the minwax clear mentioned above?



P-51B -> RE: P-47 paint scheme?? Any info on this one--in--> (2/24/2008 1:14:12 AM)

Here is some documentation that shows both a black variant and blue variant in the same group. I collected this so I can do the Pengie scheme one day.



Whistling Death -> RE: P-47 paint scheme?? Any info on this one--in--> (2/24/2008 1:42:52 AM)

They are black.
Minwax polycrilic is fuel proof but it has a yellowish tint. I guess on black that won't matter.



DaveGee -> RE: P-47 paint scheme?? Any info on this one--in--> (2/24/2008 2:31:16 PM)

Hi All: been away slaving at the saltmine at work, but had some time to cruise my favorite section of RC Universe. Lots of interesting posts here, some of which are fairly accurate, others have some factual errors. I'll give my two cents' worth, since I know something about this subject.

In regard to the very first post at the top of this thread asking about the plane's colors and origin, it appears to me to be a P-47M from the 61st Fighter Squadron of the 56th Fighter Group. It has a bluish hue to it, although the planes from this group were painted flat black. And that is all the planes from the squadron. In some lights, there might have been a purplish look to some of them, but they were not painted anything but flat black. The top left wing had a 60 inch diameter star and bar, which had a light blue surround, as did the fuselage stars and bars. The cowl stripe was red, as was the rudder. The undersides and leading edges of the wings and horizontal stabilizer were unpainted NMF (aluminum).

Squadron codes for this squadron were "HV". The two other squadrons in the group were LM (62nd) and UN (63rd). The plane in the drawing in question does not have the dorsal strake. Some planes didn't have them when delivered from the USA, and were added in the field later. Adding the strake helped with longitudinal stability of the plane.

In one of the photos on this thread, you'll see Lorene, flown by my good friend Russ Kyler. He had 10 kills, several of them in this particular M model. I made a replica of his plane from an Aerotech kit, and flew it several times before retiring it to the Evergreen Aviation Museum in McMinnville Oregon (home of Howard Hughes' Spruce Goose.)

I'll attach a couple of pics of a couple of models I built, one of Lorene, similar to the original post and a new plane called Fire Ball, which flew with the 63rd fighter squadron from the same group. This was a two toned blue, and was a scheme used only in that squadron in the last months of WWII on their P-47Ms.

DaveGee






Rebel Flyer -> RE: P-47 paint scheme?? Any info on this one--in--> (2/24/2008 3:28:17 PM)

See...I told you it was black. Hi Dave. Russ sure is great to talk to. A very clear window back in time. He proves I was born about 40 years too late! See you in June.

Rebel



t_burley -> RE: P-47 paint scheme?? Any info on this one--in--> (2/24/2008 3:44:27 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Rebel Flyer

See...I told you it was black. Hi Dave. Russ sure is great to talk to. A very clear window back in time. He proves I was born about 40 years too late! See you in June.

Rebel


LoL, I knew it was black as well, but had waited for Dave to post as Chad mentioned above.
I am doing my larger Ziroli in this scheme as well. actually mine is Witold Lanowski's mount.
I had answered this as well at RCSB with the same pics as shown above. I am soon to be
painting mine, I thought the scheme was very different than others that are normally done.

I found mine back in later 04 when I started my build. Dave, I enjoyed seeing pics of your
mount here for your friend Russ, you did a great job



DaveGee -> RE: P-47 paint scheme?? Any info on this one--in--> (2/24/2008 3:49:09 PM)

Hi Rebel: Looking forward to it. Russ is a gem, a true gentleman and patriot. Glad we still have him with us.

I'm curious about the post with the three photos of the M that flipped over in what appears to have been a takeoff or landing accident. The tail and aft fuselage have been destroyed in the crash, so it is difficult to say exactly which plane this was, and who the pilot might have been. I'm guessing it was taken at Boxted, home of the 56th during that time. I looked at the Little Friends website, and there were a few M models from the 61st FS that were damaged in takeoff or landing accidents, some after the war was actually over, but without being able to see a serial number on the tail or the individual aircraft code just forward of the tail on the fuse, it's tough to say. If anybody thinks they can make out those insignia on the aft fuse/tail area, I'd really like to know.

DaveGee



jasonp51d -> RE: P-47 paint scheme?? Any info on this one--in--> (2/24/2008 7:47:05 PM)

Dave,

Seems a long time ago since we met at Boxted, I thought the 3 colour photos might interest you - they were passed to me (amongst others) by Danny Morris (Author of Aces & Wingmen) - most likely taken at Boxted but wit no more information than that. Have attached a couple of others that may be of interest. I still think they were a dark brown (like dark chocolate).

Todd,

Excellent choice of scheme - hope you are replicating the horse shoe welded just below the canopy!!

[image]http://www.littlefriends.co.uk/gallery/56g/hv-zbar.jpg[/image]

[image]http://www.littlefriends.co.uk/gallery/56g/lanowski.jpg[/image]

Best regards

Jason



t_burley -> RE: P-47 paint scheme?? Any info on this one--in--> (2/24/2008 8:47:48 PM)

thanks Jason. when I was looking for a different scheme back in 04
Lanowski's just looked to be it! I do plan on the horse shoes as well.
I think the overall scheme, with the Polish emblem and the Knights glove
crushing a 109 is pretty kewl.

I have admired the one Dave did for awhile since he did it.

also enjoy the 56th Wolf Pack as well. My BT Jug I built a couple
years ago was based on the P-47D, "In the Mood" which was flown by Capt. Gerald Johnson,
61st F.S., 56th Fighter Group, 65th Fighter Wing.

BTW, have always enjoyed your 361st FG website as well



TLH101 -> RE: P-47 paint scheme?? Any info on this one--in--> (2/24/2008 10:52:58 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: DaveGee

In some lights, there might have been a purplish look to some of them, but they were not painted anything but flat black.






Just take a look at any old black car that has not been maintained. You will see that black, fades to a blueish tint in the sun.



jasonp51d -> RE: P-47 paint scheme?? Any info on this one--in--> (2/24/2008 11:04:34 PM)

Todd,

Best of luck with P-47 - glad you enjoyed the website (only today I have been talking to someone who is trying to trace their American father - amazing stuff).

Have really enjoyed looking at your models - especially the 109.

Best regards

Jason



DaveGee -> RE: P-47 paint scheme?? Any info on this one--in--> (2/24/2008 11:17:53 PM)

Thanks, Tburley. I would really like to see pics of your plane when you paint it. When I first considered doing Lorene, I have to admit that I was not sure how it would come out, with it being so unusal. I had not encountered the Ms before, and this was sort a "blast to the face" versus the more standard paint schemes youo're used to seeing in the history books. I even built a 1/48 scale plastic model first, just to make sure it would translate well to a model. Once I completed it, there was no doubt, and I pressed on with the rc project. I gave the plastic model to Russ.

This would be a very nice tribute to the men of the 56th FG, and all WWII jug drivers, who are getting fewer and fewer every day. It will be a great looking model you build, and we'll be very happy to see it when you're done.

Davegee



DaveGee -> RE: P-47 paint scheme?? Any info on this one--in--> (2/24/2008 11:27:54 PM)

Hi Jason: yes, time flies! I sure loved visiting Boxted in 2004. Would love to make it back someday soon. Those color photos of the M that crashlanded were fascinating. I sure would like to know what particular plane that was. Too bad that the tail was mangle so badly so as not to be able to identify it. If you hear any word from anyone at Boxted who might know more about this accident, I'd sure like to find out. Too bad Roger Freeman isn't with us anymore. I'm sure he'd know...

As far as the chocolate brown color of the planes, sorry, according to people who flew them and a few crewchiefs who helped paint them that I know or have spoken to, they were painted matte BLACK.

Cheers,

Dave



DaveGee -> RE: P-47 paint scheme?? Any info on this one--in--> (2/24/2008 11:45:40 PM)

Hi Jason: regarding the two black and white photos you posted, I did a little research on them. The one of the very torn up remains in the field was most probably "Joy Boy" which had a mid-air collision with another plane from the squadron when they were attempting a crossover maneuver on a training flight on 3/13/45. The pilots from both planes were killed, unfortunately. The pilots involved were Lt. Luther P. Hines, and Lt. Richard B. Tuttle.

The other picture with the mostly intact HV*N was the victim of a takeoff accident on 6/22/45. It was flown by (or at least assigned to) a Lt. John Allen, and the plane was named "Dee." I'm guessing the pilot survived with little or no injuries.

DaveGee



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