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P-47 paint scheme?? Any info on this one--in--> - 2/22/2008 3:53:48 AM   
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Does anyone have any information on what the colors would be on this plane? Maybe from Testors or Warbird Colors? Thanks. John


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RE: P-47 paint scheme?? Any info on this one--in--> - 2/22/2008 4:34:47 AM   
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I don't recall the exact colours at the moment, but if you google 61st FS, 56th FG, 8th AF you should find some leads, if someone here doesn't know first!

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RE: P-47 paint scheme?? Any info on this one--in--> - 2/22/2008 5:40:39 AM   
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RE: P-47 paint scheme?? Any info on this one--in--> - 2/22/2008 6:26:32 AM   
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Johnny,
I think the correct colors are olive drab uppers with neutral grey undersides, and the red (which in fact would likely have been any old red kicking around at the time), probably an RAF color, like their roundel red, but it may have been the US insignai red as well.... The insignia red will work and look very good... Here's a link to a flying P-47 done in this scheme...

http://www.davidpride.com/AirVenture/Osh87_43.htm

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RE: P-47 paint scheme?? Any info on this one--in--> - 2/22/2008 12:02:43 PM   
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I have seen a picture of a Jug like the one you want to do, but it was a black uppersurface HV-Z, spring of 1945. There are some differences though.

The stars and bars are outlined in light blue. Same color as the light blue used by the RAF in the China-Berma-India theater(CBI)

The stars on the wings are much smaller.

The "Z" in the squadron codes are underlined, meaning it is a duplicate.

The canopy frame is unfinished aluminium, along with the leading edges of the wings to the first spar.

The red on the cowl is painted too far aft. It should only go to the first panel line after the sharp curve in the cowl.

The serial number is 421108

It has a really simple nose art pattern I could probably scan it for you and e-mail it to you if you want it.

Hope this helps

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RE: P-47 paint scheme?? Any info on this one--in--> - 2/22/2008 3:23:29 PM   
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The 56th FG a/c were painted all sorts of colours - some blues - some browns - I think this one was a chocalate brown - found these color photos & side views.

Good luck

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RE: P-47 paint scheme?? Any info on this one--in--> - 2/22/2008 3:55:14 PM   
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No, it is a dark navy blue with red trim. I just don't remember the exact colors. I saw them listed somewhere, just can't remember where.

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RE: P-47 paint scheme?? Any info on this one--in--> - 2/22/2008 7:31:36 PM   
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I'm pretty certain P-51B is correct in that this particular Jug was a very dark blue. The undersides would have been left natural metal. Maybe one Mr. Dave Gee will check in here. He has built a Jug in similar colors and has done considerable research on the subject.

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RE: P-47 paint scheme?? Any info on this one--in--> - 2/22/2008 10:36:07 PM   
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I read somewhere, that the 56th used a lot of British colors on their aircraft, so you may need to check the British color charts for the correct colors. I beleive I found that info when researching the colors on Gabreski's P-47. I'll see what what I can find.

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RE: P-47 paint scheme?? Any info on this one--in--> - 2/22/2008 10:40:39 PM   
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Just found this at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/56th_Fighter_Group
"The P-47C and P-47D aircraft received by the 56th FG were finished in factory-applied olive drab (OD) with gray lower surfaces. Because the P-47 was the only radial engined allied fighter, the danger of other allied fighters mistaking it for the Fw 190 caused VIII Fighter Command to have 24-inch white cowl bands painted on the noses of P-47s after March 1943. Other rapid identification measures used were white banding on both the tail fin and horizontal stabilizers, and the use of oversized USAAF roundels on the undersides of both wings.[11]

The USAAF ended the factory-applied camouflage on all aircraft produced after February 13, 1944, and the first unpainted block 21 "razorback" canopy and block 25 "bubble-top" canopy models arrived in May.[12][13] The first "silver" aircraft, 42-26044, was left uncamouflaged, given the name Silver Lady, and flown in combat by Capt. James Carter and Major Les Smith of the 61st FS. The first bubbletops, dubbed "Superbolts", were assigned to the group and squadron commanders until more became available.[14]

The 56th applied field camouflage to most but not all of these replacement fighters. Most bubbletops were given an RAF-style "shadow-shading" (disruptive) pattern of "RAF green" (a shade similar to olive drab) overlaid on light sea gray (another RAF shade) on upper surfaces, while most razorbacks were field-painted in overall dark OD on upper and light gray on lower surfaces. Shadow shading, however, appeared in a variety of schemes and colors, adding to the distinction of the group's aircraft.

When P-47M's appeared in January 1945, each squadron adopted an individual camouflage scheme on upper surfaces while lower surfaces of the fighters were left unpainted. The 61st used a matte black color that faded to a dark purple. The 62nd continued the green-and-gray shadow-shading pattern, while the 63rd went to a shadow-shading pattern of "deep Mediterranean blue" (indigo) applied over sky blue.[15]

VIII Fighter Command assigned the 56th Fighter Group two-letter squadron indentification codes to be painted on the fuselages of its fighters, and each squadron assigned its aircraft individual letter identifiers. (The letters chosen for the 56th had previously been assigned to the 1st Fighter Group before it went to the Twelfth Air Force.) In early February 1944 the 56th replaced its white cowl bands with a different color for each squadron. This innovation lasted until mid-March, when VIII Fighter Command adopted a color system for all Eighth Air Force fighter groups. The 56th painted its noses red and later applied the squadron colors to the tail rudders of its Thunderbolts, an innovation that VIII Fighter Command also borrowed. The 56th discontinued use of squadron colors when it changed to P-47M's"

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RE: P-47 paint scheme?? Any info on this one--in--> - 2/23/2008 9:22:10 AM   
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Chad,

From memory Dave Gee produced a wonderful model of Russ Kyler HV-J "Lorene" which was a dark brown almost black.



Despite looking through several 56th FG & 8th AF books I have not been able to track down anything on HV-K yet.

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RE: P-47 paint scheme?? Any info on this one--in--> - 2/23/2008 12:57:12 PM   
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Thanks guys, wow alot of reading. Also, a few other questions.
1- What type of paint would be best for the price. I have access to an airbrush, but do not have one myself. I really do not mind spray cans. I have done a few planes with them and they came out really good.
2- I want to clear with minwax polycrilic, is this glow proof?
Again, thanks.
John

What about this blue?? http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXEAN0&P=0 Also, this is lacquer, is that compatible with other paints, and especially the minwax clear mentioned above?

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RE: P-47 paint scheme?? Any info on this one--in--> - 2/24/2008 1:14:12 AM   
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Here is some documentation that shows both a black variant and blue variant in the same group. I collected this so I can do the Pengie scheme one day.

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RE: P-47 paint scheme?? Any info on this one--in--> - 2/24/2008 1:42:52 AM   
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They are black.
Minwax polycrilic is fuel proof but it has a yellowish tint. I guess on black that won't matter.

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RE: P-47 paint scheme?? Any info on this one--in--> - 2/24/2008 2:31:16 PM