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RE: 4* 60 first time build by 67 yr. old - 4/29/2008 3:19:42 AM   
mred33


 

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Status: offline 		I think in the long run you will be better off with one radio to contend with. I looked up your manual and it is not hard to program your dual rates. Go to page 44 and start reading there. It won't hurt to play with the programming a little with the book in your hand to help you. I would set it up with a single switch to turn the dual rates on and off. Makes it easy to start with. I would set your low rate to around 50% to 75% to start with. The low rates makes it easier to fly the plane the first few times as it doesn't respond quite as fast as with full rates. On the Diff. I would go about 10% or somewhere around there. After you fly it the first couple of times you can find a setting you like, but don't put to much in there to start with. Diff. makes the control softer around center so that it does not roll real fast when you give it a small control command. You still have full control movement, it just doesn't move as much around center with Diff. and it makes it a little easier to control some planes. You may find you don't need any at all, but it won't hurt to try it. You can set all three control surfaces to dual rate and Diff. I don't like Diff much as I don't fly 3D planes and don't need it that much. However, dual rates are nice and I use them all the time. The best way to play around with this is to have the plane set up with everything turned on so you can see what is going on. Don't try to program the transmitter just by itself without the receiver on and the servos working. That is the last thing you do after you get everything set up. I have my transmitter programmed for triple rates because I like it that way. You can't do that on yours, but the dual rates are really nice. If you have any questions let me know and I'll try and answer them. Good luck with the programming.
Ed

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RE: 4* 60 first time build by 67 yr. old - 5/2/2008 5:17:09 AM   
dapam03


 

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Status: offline 		A friend helped me do a weight and balance. Looks like I'll have to add 3 ounces to the front, so i'll get a brass spinner. Another friend helped me set up the throws and high and low rates. Not much left to do now.

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RE: 4* 60 first time build by 67 yr. old - 5/2/2008 5:46:41 PM   
mred33


 

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Status: offline 		I'm glad to hear you are getting some local help with the setup on this plane. It always helps to have hands on help with things like that. I can't count the number of times I have had to get help directly from someone, but then we didn't have the internet then either. Good luck with everything and post some more pictures. I'd like to see it with the trim on it and do let us know how the first flight goes.
Ed

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RE: 4* 60 first time build by 67 yr. old - 5/3/2008 2:14:33 AM   
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Status: offline 		I glued in a couple of stir sticks so I could wrap some velcro around them. Then wrapped the larger receiver in foam. I'll use 2 sided tape for the small receiver on the side. Either that or I can ca some velcro on the side to hold the small receiver. Any suggestions. I then notched out for the muffler. Then hooked up the throttle and got it working. Then installed the muffler. Just canopy and decals left.

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RE: 4* 60 first time build by 67 yr. old - 5/3/2008 3:07:45 AM   
mred33


 

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Status: offline 		I don't fly on 2.4 yet, but everyone around here just uses velcro to hold the receivers in. It's easier to get them in and out that way and they haven't been having any problems that I can see. Makes it easier to swap out to another plane when you want to and they do it quite often around here. Looken good. When are we gonna get a flight report???? Just kidding. I am looking forward to hearing about how great it flies though. Good luck and keep up the great work.
Ed

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RE: 4* 60 first time build by 67 yr. old - 5/3/2008 4:57:52 PM   
SeamusG


 

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Status: offline 		I velcro'd my primary receiver to the front so that the antenna were aligned with the wing. The remote was velcro'd to the fuse side (like your primary) with the antenna aligned with the fuse front to back. Separate them as much as you can. Also good practice to use mini-zip ties to bundle the various wires out of the way to ensure that they do not bind with the servo arms / controls.

I was in 50+ sustained winds from 12:00 noon to midnight yesterday (race track in a mid-Colorado town). Constant dust storms. Then it was time to drive back to Denver in my Miata with race tires mounted. Then the rain / sleet started - jeez. Makes flying RC stuff in 15+ seem like child's play

Like Ed asked - when we gonna get a flight report???

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RE: 4* 60 first time build by 67 yr. old - 5/3/2008 5:41:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'm going to get someone with more experience to maiden it, and make sure everthing is ok. Then I'll fly it. I'll post it when I do. I'm going to fly my trainer for a bit, then switch it over to the spektrum so I can get used to the transmitter. I'm waiting for a new receiver right now. Next winter, I think i'll build another plane and switch the parts over from my trainer. I've enjoyed the build, and learned a lot from it.

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RE: 4* 60 first time build by 67 yr. old - 5/3/2008 6:05:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		I wouldn't be in such a hurry to get rid of the trainer. After all these years I have been flying, I still fly a Sr. Telemaster as it is a nice easy and relaxing plane to fly and I enjoy kicking back and flying something easy like that after flying one of my so called more advanced planes. I have taken it up quite high and just let it fly around on idle and sort of glide down for awhile. It makes for a relaxing and enjoyable flight. By all means, get your other planes, but I would keep the trainer in the flying stable if I could. I am not the only one that does this either. We have some very advanced fliers at our field and they like to kick back with this type of plane too. Just something to consider.
Ed

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RE: 4* 60 first time build by 67 yr. old - 5/9/2008 3:48:36 AM   
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Status: offline 		All finished except the wing decals, and I need a lead weight for the front. I put a brass spinner on. It was 2 ounces I think. I need another ounce yet. I wrecked one of the decals for the wing, so I have to wait for that. In the meantime I'm going to fly my trainer for a bit.

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RE: 4* 60 first time build by 67 yr. old - 5/9/2008 5:06:16 AM   
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Status: offline 		I still have all the decals for my 4*60. Do you need them or have you already ordered replacements?


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RE: 4* 60 first time build by 67 yr. old - 5/9/2008 5:13:23 AM   
mred33


 

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Status: offline 		Now that is looking NICE. Have you tried moving your battery up front, or using a bigger battery? I have an 1100mah and a 2700mah battery that I use to help me get the CG right. I hate putting led in the nose, but I have done it before. I have about 6oz in my Super Star because I have a smaller engine in there. I used a 125 4 Stroke instead of a 150 and wound up with led in it. I sure wish I could see the first flight though. I especially like to see the knee knocking. Hope all goes well for you.
Ed

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RE: 4* 60 first time build by 67 yr. old - 5/9/2008 5:30:35 AM   
SeamusG


 

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Status: offline 		Weight is weight. You could use battery chemistry to alter the weight characteristic of a battery with a given capacity - a 1000 mAh NiCd battery weighs 4.6 oz while a 1200 mAh NiMH that weighs 3.3 oz. For a specific chemistry the higher the battery capacity the more it (typically) weighs (e.g. a 3600 mAh NiMH weighs about 9.6 oz.). I'd rather be very specific about the additional weight being added by using lead in 1/4 oz increments rather than jumping maybe 5 oz with a big battery that requires a bunch of re-apportioning the other weight components to achieve a good balance.


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RE: 4* 60 first time build by 67 yr. old - 5/9/2008 6:02:22 PM   
mred33


 

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Status: offline 		I know weight is weight, but I like to put bigger batteries in if I can to give me longer flying time which is useful rather then just plain old led. Like I said, I have used led before and will use it again, I just like doing it with a battery if I can and you can put the battery in different places to try and get the CG right.
Ed

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