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RE: 4* 60 first time build by 67 yr. old - 3/26/2008 9:40:28 PM   
mred33


 

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Status: offline 		That looks like the same stuff I am using. I just buy mine at the local hobby shop if I need any, but most of the time I use other types of epoxy. It is great for fuelproofing around the engine bay and tank area and using with fiberglass cloth. It is thin already, so you don't need to thin it and goes right through glass cloth on the first coat. The second coat will seal the glass fibers most of the time and I very seldom need a third coat and then only in some small areas. Really, it is just epoxy without any thinkning agent added to it which is what most people think epoxy is. I use an acid brush to spread it because they are cheap, but if I am doing a large area like a wing, I use a 2" chip brush that I get from Harbor Freight for almost nothing. I think if you try it, you will like it a lot more then trying to thin regular epoxy and you don't want to thin epoxy if you are glassing something, because it will not be as strong and stay kind of like a hard rubber. Anything used to thin epoxy cannot evatorate like it does with most things because it is locked in by the epoxy after it sets up. System three has a very interesting paper to read on using epoxy if you are interested. Try a Google search for System Three and you should find it. They are one of the BIG epoxy makers (I think there are three total) and are interested in you getting the most out of using their products, but any epoxy is about the same. If you have any more questions, just ask. That's what everyone is here for.
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RE: 4* 60 first time build by 67 yr. old - 3/26/2008 10:01:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		Most of the sheets are the same size. If they cost the same, they are the same size. The bigger sheets cost more, so you can tell from the price it they are the same size. Most are about 26" wide and around 6' long. The longer sheets are 10' or 15', so you get more for your money if you use a lot of one color or are doing a large plane.
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RE: 4* 60 first time build by 67 yr. old - 3/26/2008 11:57:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		Finished mounting the servos temporarily till I can do a weight and balance. I put a doubler underneath so the screw would have a bit more to bite into. I'll put thin ca in the holes and wait till it dries before i mount them permanent. Other than the throttle, I think I'll have to put the longer arms on. I have futaba on my trainer and with these arms there is little less throw. With the longer ones, there will be more throw than the trainer.

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RE: 4* 60 first time build by 67 yr. old - 3/27/2008 12:03:56 AM   
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Before you glass take a look at the info on the airfield models site, some good tips there!

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RE: 4* 60 first time build by 67 yr. old - 3/27/2008 4:19:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		Make sure you don't put to much throw in there or you could be in for a very bad ride. If you have dual rates, use them and try the low rates first to see how it flies, then switch to high. I normally set mine up for tripple reats so I can do a little more with mine. I am getting really spoiled with my new transmitter and wish I could have gotten it sooner. Bought it almost new after the 2.4 GH systems came out and got a real good deal on it. Anyway, good luck with yours and hope you get a lot of great flying out of it. It's looken really nice.
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RE: 4* 60 first time build by 67 yr. old - 3/28/2008 4:58:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hey dapam, looks like it's going well. I just finished my first kit, 4*60, and just read you were going to use Ultracote. I think that's a good choice. I did mine with ultracote and am pretty happy with the outcome.

I used cub yellow and black. I ended up using three rolls of yellow and two rolls of black. I only bought 2 of each to start and had to halt covering and wait for another roll. I think if you're very proficient with covering you can probably get away with 4 total rolls, but if it's your first covering job I would recommend you get five.

The photo is the only one I had on this computer but it gives you the general idea of how they came out.

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RE: 4* 60 first time build by 67 yr. old - 3/28/2008 5:12:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		Big thumbs up on Ultracote. My first covering job was a 4*60 too. Even though Ultracote is very forgiving I managed to exceed its limitations several times - thus carsondoc's recommendation on getting more covering than the manufacturer recommends. You can always use the leftovers. Btw, The World Modeling company uses Ultracote on many of their models. I repaired a friend's plane with the leftovers from my 4* - they matched perfectly.

Please note that I installed the fin and horizontal stab before covering. Were I to do it again I would cover them before installation. It was difficult covering the fillet and seams post-installation. If you cover them first then you can create a nice small fillet of epoxy at their seams to ensure that the seams are fuel-proof. Have acetone or alcohol on hand to clean up the area around the fillet before the epoxy sets. If the first coat of epoxy does not build it up enough - just wait and reapply a second coat.



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RE: 4* 60 first time build by 67 yr. old - 3/28/2008 10:30:10 PM   
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Status: offline 		I've been using Ultracote for a while now and like it more then the others, except for the painted stuff. It's easy to work with and bends around curves pretty easy. I like the color chioce too. The only thing I don't like about it is, some of the seams are hard to hide, but then that's just me. I stick mostly with red white and blue because that is the best looking cotor combination to me. I can see it good while it is flying too. Try and get a good contrasting color sceem, or you may have some problems with seeing the plane while it is flying. Stay away from things like a transparent yellow over most of the plane. One of the Super Sticks is covered like this and it is REAL hard to keep oreantation in flight. That thing can almost disappear sometimes and others, you don't know if it is coming or going, right side up, or upside down. Also, it helps to have a nice wide stripe down the side of the fuse, or lite on top and dark on the bottom with a seperation line half way down the side of the fuse. I know this some of this may seem kind of simple, but it really does help you with your flying and being able to see the plane and know what it is doing. If you really want to understand what I am talking about, I can give you a link to a very good way to cover you models written by someone that knows what he is talking about.
Ed

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RE: 4* 60 first time build by 67 yr. old - 3/28/2008 10:46:10 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hey Ed - good basics. Would you post the link please?

I have created color schemes and then made a bunch of copies. I give 'em to people who should know and get their feedback. The more feedback the better. You just might take 'em to local craft shop for some feedback on the color combinations. Our LHS owner is a builder / flier. His wife is an artist. The combination of their feedback is invaluable. BUT at the end of the day - if you don't like the scheme - it ain't gonna fly.

Diversity is a very good thing ...


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RE: 4* 60 first time build by 67 yr. old - 3/28/2008 10:56:48 PM   
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Sorry, I should have just posted the site the first time. This guy should know what he is talking about, because he is an eye doctor along with being a flyer. I found most of this out a long time ago the hard way, but he gave me a bunch of information I didn't know yet. Guess one guy can't know everything no matter how hard I try.
Ed

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RE: 4* 60 first time build by 67 yr. old - 3/28/2008 11:13:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		Thanks Ed.

I don't get a good night's sleep unless I learn something new during the day. As memory fades, it's a lot easier finding new things to (re)learn.


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RE: 4* 60 first time build by 67 yr. old - 3/28/2008 11:22:25 PM   
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Status: offline 		Tell me about it, Your only 2 years older then I am, but I have a slight advantage, I started flying in the 50's.........
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RE: 4* 60 first time build by 67 yr. old - 3/29/2008 2:32:17 AM   
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Status: offline 		After watching your progress since the beginning and talking with the owner of the LHS (an avid builder), I jumped in with both feet and ordered a 4* kit. I've had a blast, both wings are framed and ready for covering. Will start on the Fuse tonight most likely. I had been wanting to build from a kit for quite a while now but always had that internal "will I be able to finish it...or will I have a box of kindling". I've enjoyed it so much I'm already looking for my next kit after I finish the 4*. Course I might also be looking for a new wife (there are 4 planes in the entry way of the house, front door gets zero use). But I'm hooked... I think she'll come around when I get the shop (outside) finished and stop building airplanes on her kitchen table. Keep up the great work Dapam. Your thread helped turn just another flier into an aspiring builder.

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