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Live Wire II - 3/2/2008 4:03:34 AM   
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I have always liked the looks of 1950's trainers. In 1995 George Wilson published a redesign of Hal deBolt's classic Live Wire Trainer as the Live Wire II in the December issue of Model Airplane News. This kept the outline of the original but revised the construction, used tricycle landing gear and made provision for 3-channel control. Construction is simple with a sheet balsa box for the fuselage, a rigid D-tube wing and built-up, flat tail surfaces.

Mine is powered with an OS.15LA engine and is covered in Ultracote. Wingspan is 47.5", wing area is 420 sq. inches and final weight will be just under 39 oz. When the engine is broken in and spring comes I will take it for a test flight.


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RE: Live Wire II - 3/2/2008 3:04:23 PM   
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Dave:


Wasn't there a re-hash of older names placed on to new designs credited to Hal DeBolt back then or slightly earlier?

I think there were a couple of Champions as I can remember.

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RE: Live Wire II - 3/2/2008 3:30:52 PM   
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Very nice, Dave! I like your color scheme. Soft landings!

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RE: Live Wire II - 3/2/2008 3:58:52 PM   
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Dave! Looking good. Looking foward to more pics! I just checked on that LW Trainer kit on ebay and it is up to 126.00. Cheers Bill

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RE: Live Wire II - 3/2/2008 5:49:38 PM   
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Thanks for the nice comments. Here is the cabin interior and finished aircraft.

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RE: Live Wire II - 3/2/2008 5:55:39 PM   
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I am not up on the many designs of deBolt. The old John Pond catalog lists some 20 different Live Wires including one Champion Mk III credited to Midwest Products.

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RE: Live Wire II - 3/3/2008 12:09:05 AM   
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Nice. I like it.

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RE: Live Wire II - 3/9/2008 2:49:15 AM   
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Live Wire seems originally to have been used as a kind of brand name for anything kitted by DeBolt's Dmeco company. Things like the Live Wire Custom Bipe, Live Wire Trainer, Live Wire Jenny, Live Wire Pursit, etc.

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RE: Live Wire II - 3/10/2008 7:00:49 PM   
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Livewire was the name assigned by Harold DeBolt to his 1st RC job.
When he decided to designe more RC planes he renamed the original Livewire as the Livewire Senior.
Note that his second RC design was the Livewire Trainer but was kitted before the Senior.

Future DeBolt RC planes were then called Livewire plus another name such as Livewire Kitten, Livewire Cruiser etc. etc.

Hope this helps,
Bob

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RE: Live Wire II - 3/12/2008 3:34:00 AM   
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Dave, great job on the L-W it is a sharp looking aircraft.. Any flights planned ??

A friend has a L-W "Pattern Master" listed on the bay, but it too was a Midwest offering designed by DeBolt...............

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RE: Live Wire II - 3/12/2008 3:58:12 AM   
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When our field dries out and spring is in the air I will be doing the test flights.

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RE: Live Wire II - 5/16/2008 12:59:49 AM   
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Ah spring!. Now it is time to flight-test all of those planes we built during that long, dark, Middle Atlantic states winter.

The first trip to the field did not go well. I opened the throttle and the plane trundled down the field and slowly drifted over to the right side. I had forgotten how sensitive is the alignment of steering on a tricycle plane due to the very short wheelbase compared to a taildragger. General consensus was that very thick grass and soft earth were a problem.

At home, things got worse. I went to the next larger wheel size all around (1/4" larger diameter) and rolled the model across the floor to get it going straight. Intending to be careful I decided to check the balance again. When I rubber-banded the wing on, to my horror, the plywood hook in the windshield gracefully pulled out of its former! If I had gotten airborne that would have been the end of the plane. I replaced the hook with epoxy and added a plywood backing plate behind the former with two screws through it. Days later I was still so worried that I did a static load test on the hook. The fuselage weighed just under two pounds. I hung it with string from the hook and from the aft fuselage to a ceiling hook. A 2 pound weight was attached under the belly giving a 2-G load. As this is not an F-16 I figured it would be adequate. Three hours later I removed the string and weights and prepared for another trip to the field.

Now it went straight down the runway but never approached takeoff velocity. It must be recognized that this is a belly-dragger- the nose is only 2" from the ground and the tail end is under 1" from the ground so the most of the belly and the stab are cruising through the grass blades. I assume it would have taken off from a hard runway. I then enlisted an expert launch-master who easily tossed it skyward. At 40% throttle it cruised nicely with full down elevator trim. Anything more and it climbed rapidly. Turns were smooth and slow fly-bys were stately. Feeling a little frisky, I gained altitude, dove and did a loop. The winds were now 90 degrees across the runway and this little boxcar did not like that at all. Landing was hard as it floats even on idle and it just wanted to head into the wind. I will avoid crosswinds in the future.

Back in the shop I inserted a 1/16" ply shim behind the motor mount to provide downthrust and reset the throttle for a lower idle. To raise the tail end of the fuselage the original, smaller, nosewheel went back on. Handlaunching is still necessary but the downthrust and elevator down trim make things smoother. Loops and stall turns are the only items in my repertoire. People get a kick out of seeing something fly past so slowly. This will be a great plane for keeping my pulse rate under control.

One problem: At half-throttle or more there is a tremendous buzzing coming from resonance in the wing. It destroys the image of a gentle flyer and I don't know what to do. I will check the prop for balance first.

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RE: Live Wire II - 5/16/2008 1:36:19 PM   
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Hang in there, Dave, we're all rooting for you to have that successful flight!! What a beautiful plane. BTW...be sure the prop is absolutely balanced to help cut down on the resonance and use the stick on foam between the wing and wing saddle. You've probably done all this but was just offering some suggestions for what it's worth. Happy flying!!

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RE: Live Wire II - 5/16/2008 9:22:35 PM   
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Those deBolt wings were designed in an era when silk (or silkspan) and dope was the only way to cover a open framed wing or tail. Properly applied silk adds significant torsional rigidity to a wing, something ultracote or monocote don't really provide. I would wager that resonance you hear is from the wing flexing...and why it goes away under idle or low power.

We see it all the time in SAM, lightly constructed old timer wings that are monokote covered fold all the time while the ones with silk or modern synthetics hold up forever.


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RE: Live Wire II - 5/17/2008 3:43:07 AM   
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This is not a lightlly built wing. See the photo at the top of this thread. It is a sheeted leading edge, top and bottom, D-tube. I found it to be extremely rigid before I covered it.

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RE: Live Wire II - 5/17/2008 4:21:49 AM   
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Debolt wings are very substantial. My curiosity is why is that plane not jumping off the ground with a 15. Did your plans have a cg and is it in balance? did you build any washout in the wings? It appears that your stab is in a fixed pos