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RE: Will your club allow PPP members to join - 3/18/2008 5:12:31 PM   
KidEpoxy



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Status: offline 		I agree with LCS,
If the AMA started giving out No Insurance Member Cards,
somehow I dont think that "AMA Card" would be accepted as meeting requirements okey-dokey by the state authority. I've got a suspicion the 'major agreement' is really for the insurance, and gee, wonder who talked them into only accepting one name brand of insurance?

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RE: Will your club allow PPP members to join - 3/18/2008 5:36:59 PM   
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My club voted to have a Park Pilot club membership with reduced dues ($30 & no init fee, vs. $65 and $25 init fee). Our hope is to attract some of the newbies buying the inexpensive PFs, give them some training and a safe place to fly their planes, and hopefully get them interested in the larger planes and full AMA/Club memberships.

Feedback from local hobbyshops tells us that many of the guys buying the PF's are asking where they can fly them, and having a cheaper way to get into a club, might be attractive to some of them.

Now if a guy buys a $100-$150 PF at the local hobby shop in April, he can get a PP AMA membership, and a PP Club membership for a grand total of $52.45 (club dues are pro-rated), instead of $131.75. I still believe most people buying the cheap PF's won't bother to join, even with the reduced dues, but the few that are really interested in the hobby, and look at the PF as a starter plane (not just a toy to play with) will hopefully take the bait!

Congrats on your use of optimism. You and you're club are a full value to the AMA. Let us hear your success stories in the future. Positive thinking, typically leads to positive results.

Good stuff.

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RE: Will your club allow PPP members to join - 3/18/2008 6:59:01 PM   
P-51B



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My club voted to have a Park Pilot club membership with reduced dues ($30 & no init fee, vs. $65 and $25 init fee).



So, are they restricted to using only part of the facilities?

If they later want a "real" membership, but they have been paying the $30 rate, is the $25 initiation fee applied or not?

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RE: Will your club allow PPP members to join - 3/18/2008 7:51:04 PM   
-pkh-



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ORIGINAL: P-51B


quote:

ORIGINAL: -pkh-

My club voted to have a Park Pilot club membership with reduced dues ($30 & no init fee, vs. $65 and $25 init fee).



So, are they restricted to using only part of the facilities?

If they later want a "real" membership, but they have been paying the $30 rate, is the $25 initiation fee applied or not?

As long as they can fly the pattern, they'll be able to fly on the main field. In fact we have several members, including myself, that fly PFs on the main field in the pattern already. We have a side area for hovering helis and flying small foamies if they want to just do some low, close-in flight, to keep them out of the way of incoming/outgoing aircraft on the main field.

The details of upgrading from a PP membership to full membership will be dealt with when we get to it. I would propose we apply what they paid for the PP membership towards the full membership & initiation fee if they convert over in the first year. If they convert over after the first year, I'd propose waiving the init fee, and charging them the dues difference alone.

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RE: Will your club allow PPP members to join - 3/18/2008 9:22:04 PM   
KidEpoxy



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Status: offline 		What about $58 Open guys that choose to only fly 2lb electrics at your field?
Do they pay the regular club $65 or the club $30?

Why would they pay more for using the exact same stuff to the same extent as the PPP, but have to pay more just for carrying more AMA insurance for their 2lb electrics than the other guys flying 2lb electrics. If a new guy shows up with a bunch of FFF profiles & GWS Foamie Warbirds does he pay $65 or $30 for the club? Do you have it so you cant tell what to charge by what & how he flys, or how many benches he pits, or how many burgers he eats... if he has $58 open he is gonna have to pay more at your club for the same burgers benches & grass his 1.5lb foamies fly over.

Looks like the new guy could save $5 by tandem membership in both PPP & Open: Send $30 to Muncie to save $35 when flying at that club and not admitting to the club that he has a real Open AMA Card as well... lest he have to pay $35 more & get charged initiation.

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RE: Will your club allow PPP members to join - 3/18/2008 9:32:07 PM   
kid chuckles


 

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RE: Will your club allow PPP members to join - 3/18/2008 10:00:20 PM   
-pkh-



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ORIGINAL: KidEpoxy

What about $58 Open guys that choose to only fly 2lb electrics at your field?
Do they pay the regular club $65 or the club $30?


Don't have any of those. We all fly gas and nitro, and some of us fly PFs as well.

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Why would they pay more for using the exact same stuff to the same extent as the PPP, but have to pay more just for carrying more AMA insurance for their 2lb electrics than the other guys flying 2lb electrics. If a new guy shows up with a bunch of FFF profiles & GWS Foamie Warbirds does he pay $65 or $30 for the club? Do you have it so you cant tell what to charge by what & how he flys, or how many benches he pits, or how many burgers he eats... if he has $58 open he is gonna have to pay more at your club for the same burgers benches & grass his 1.5lb foamies fly over.

Looks like the new guy could save $5 by tandem membership in both PPP & Open: Send $30 to Muncie to save $35 when flying at that club and not admitting to the club that he has a real Open AMA Card as well... lest he have to pay $35 more & get charged initiation.

Our members are more interested in growing the hobby than griping about some newbies getting a price break to fly their PFs at our club.

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RE: Will your club allow PPP members to join - 3/19/2008 1:26:26 AM   
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ORIGINAL: -pkh-

My club voted to have a Park Pilot club membership with reduced dues ($30 & no init fee, vs. $65 and $25 init fee). Our hope is to attract some of the newbies buying the inexpensive PFs, give them some training and a safe place to fly their planes, and hopefully get them interested in the larger planes and full AMA/Club memberships.

Feedback from local hobbyshops tells us that many of the guys buying the PF's are asking where they can fly them, and having a cheaper way to get into a club, might be attractive to some of them.




According to the guy I talked to at Muncie, this is exactly what AMA is shooting for, along with parkies forming their own clubs.
You and your club have hit the nail squarely on the head. Way to go!

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RE: Will your club allow PPP members to join - 3/19/2008 7:01:11 PM   
k3 valley flyer


 

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Status: offline 		Their membership rules and the tax code must be written by the same people?

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RE: Will your club allow PPP members to join - 4/4/2008 5:11:41 PM   
CGRetired



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Status: offline 		We don't mind having them in our club provided they pay the full dues and initiation fee, plus join with full AMA privileges.. in other words, NO. We decided that last week at our monthly meeting. Nope. No way. Our club field has requirements to both the state (for one field) and the county (for the other) that we will only allow full AMA members with their respective insurance coverages to fly at either of the fields, regardless of what they fly.

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RE: Will your club allow PPP members to join - 4/4/2008 5:19:50 PM   
mscic-RCU



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Status: offline 		Our club voted to accept the PPP cards at full club dues of $60 first year and $30 each year thereafter. We also have junior dues at $5. We also voted to have an electric only fly day on Tuesday's. We to are trying to increase the overall interest in the hobby and worried about $28.

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RE: Will your club allow PPP members to join - 4/4/2008 7:25:27 PM   
littlecrankshaf



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ORIGINAL: CGRetired

We don't mind having them in our club provided they pay the full dues and initiation fee, plus join with full AMA privileges.. in other words, NO. We decided that last week at our monthly meeting. Nope. No way. Our club field has requirements to both the state (for one field) and the county (for the other) that we will only allow full AMA members with their respective insurance coverages to fly at either of the fields, regardless of what they fly.



Kudos to your club as it is a genuine asset of the AMA. Thankfully the AMA is lucky to have many if not most clubs such as yours. AMA has done a great job of instilling that great way of thinking over the years… it will insure its own inevitable future.

Great post! It is posts like this that makes being a RCU member worthwhile. OOPS I meant to say AMA member.


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RE: Will your club allow PPP members to join - 4/4/2008 8:19:55 PM   
KidEpoxy



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Maybe the clubs should institute a Serf Member tier for their PPP joiners.
Just as PPP guys sold their right to vote, they can join clubs with tiers that sold off their rights to their Burger&Coke and can only pit in the sun not under the shades... its an incentive for them to upgrade to Full Open club tier for just $30 more.

If the underlieing logic to that is flawed, what is PPP in AMA?
Creating underpriveliged Serf Tier is the plan, run with it in all you do.... or admit that it is flawed & needs fixing or replacing.

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RE: Will your club allow PPP members to join - 4/4/2008 11:04:56 PM   
Robotech



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ORIGINAL: CGRetired

We don't mind having them in our club provided they pay the full dues and initiation fee, plus join with full AMA privileges.. in other words, NO. We decided that last week at our monthly meeting. Nope. No way. Our club field has requirements to both the state (for one field) and the county (for the other) that we will only allow full AMA members with their respective insurance coverages to fly at either of the fields, regardless of what they fly.


I'm a little slow and confused but did I not read that the landowner/landlord still has the full coverage under the AMA chartered club policy? I'm not sure how you are not fufilling your obligation to civer the county/state.

Curious though. You said " that we will only allow full AMA members " to fly at the field. I was not aware there were differing coverages prior to Jan. 1. Is this a new contract that you just negotiated with the county and state?

I agree that all members should pay the same dues though and would have an issue with the club if there were electric only days as mscic-RCU's club has done. Now you have charged them less money for the same benefits as I get plus you have cut my opportunitiy to fly my IC aircraft by almost 15%. Field and club expenses do not differ with the method or size of the aircraft so club fees should be uniform. Anything else is discriminatory and that will inevitably breed division, discontent and resentment.

Edited to add the keyword "not".

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RE: Will your club allow PPP members to join - 4/4/2008 11:12:15 PM