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RE: Will your club allow PPP members to join - 4/9/2008 1:59:36 PM

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STL,
North Park is still a public park. According to the rules--AMA membership is required, so is a park permit. Get around the permit, belong to the clubs. Is it policed? No strong arms here.

Just going off your club application. .pdf]LINK

I was shocked that TUFF was as proactive as the AMA in regards to providing tiers for less than 2 lb parkflyers. Doesn't really make sense for the AMA to go that far, but at least they went halfway.

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RE: Will your club allow PPP members to join - 4/9/2008 2:25:05 PM

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Can you still fly your .049 and .10 in the parks? Just wondering? I had an .049 SSt back along time ago and it was blast.
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RE: Will your club allow PPP members to join - 4/9/2008 5:39:03 PM

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I was shocked that TUFF was as proactive as the AMA in regards to providing tiers for less than 2 lb parkflyers. Doesn't really make sense for the AMA to go that far, but at least they went halfway.

STL

I am not sure what your point is or if you have ever had a point but this last post spins so fast I don't think anyone can understand it, not even you.

You say "as proactive as the AMA" then follow up with "they went halfway".

Are they half proactive or as proactive in your mind?

Either way it seems once again your bottom-feeding, trolling or whatever your term for it is, is spinning this thread as per your usual desire...The TUFF club does not have tiers...NONE...all members are equal...the same ALL… the AMA is the one with half members…not TUFF.

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RE: Will your club allow PPP members to join - 4/9/2008 6:32:15 PM

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The TUFF club does not have tiers...NONE...all members are equal...the same ALL… the AMA is the one with half members…not TUFF

Of course TUFF members are equals, less than 2 lbs need not apply. I applaud your effort in giving the parkflyers at TUFF the benefit of a much lower cost solution, than the forementioned.

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RE: Will your club allow PPP members to join - 4/9/2008 6:59:18 PM

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Let them go ahead & insist that the Serfs are so great & due the subsidies thrust upon them.
Heap the kickbacks & gifts onto them.
For I reap what 'they' have sewn:

I get to be AMA*,
with its interpreted elevated status in this forum,
the right to point at whats wrong in our org to have it fixed,
to hold the officials to the standards we expect of them, and set for them,
to voice opinion on our magazine,
to share ideas with fellow AMA (&AMA*) folks on how we can make our org even better.

I wasn't aware that the legitimacy of your prior postings had been brought into question due to you AMA (non) status in the past (guessing). In fact, I would attach more credibility to them if you did not join strictly in protest of AMA policies. Standing alone in front of the tank and all that.

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Like some folks tried to say "Not 1 PPP guy has complained"
but yoohoo... hello... I'm complaining & I'm PPP.

I suppose my question was and still is - Why then are you complaining? I don't get it. You still get to fly at your club which is great. The more forward thinking clubs will allow PPP membership to satisfy their members AMA requirements. You still get to fly your glow stuff albeit "outlaw". The latter could be resolved with an additional $28 check made out to the AMA. By your own postings it seems as though you are angry not because you feel the AMA hasn't done something to benefit you, they just haven't done enough.

My intentions are not to berate you, I just don't understand your complaint.

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RE: Will your club allow PPP members to join - 4/9/2008 7:06:57 PM

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I am pretty slow but even I can see that a vote and the inclusion of 1/2a would have been appropriate for the PPP tier.

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RE: Will your club allow PPP members to join - 4/9/2008 7:55:37 PM

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I'll let the "slow" thing slide.............

I take it to mean then that disgruntled PPP'ers want a Jr. Whopper price but have AMA deliver a Double Beef Whopper.

I do understand. I just don't get it.

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RE: Will your club allow PPP members to join - 4/9/2008 8:09:42 PM

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The more forward thinking clubs will allow PPP membership to satisfy their members AMA requirements.

I don't see how allowing PPP members to join a local club is in any way "forward thinking".

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RE: Will your club allow PPP members to join - 4/9/2008 8:22:19 PM

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The more forward thinking clubs will allow PPP membership to satisfy their members AMA requirements.

I don't see how allowing PPP members to join a local club is in any way "forward thinking".

Park Pilot members join local clubs - clubs get more members - some PP members may see the nitro/gas planes at the local clubs and decide to upgrade to an AMA open membership to fly the bigger planes. The club grows, the hobby grows, the AMA grows. Forward thinking.

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RE: Will your club allow PPP members to join - 4/9/2008 11:06:08 PM

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In fact, I would attach more credibility to them if you did not join strictly in protest of AMA policies

Robo-
Check the practically vacant Congrads to Dave Mathewson and Dave Mathewson threads,
there you will see me wishing well of our main man
.... in a staggering absense of the chior for some reason. Why is it so many of the folks that condemn me for negativity failed to post positives in those threads along with mine. Not all my posts here are as negative as ... hmm, lets see, ohh... like just asking to hear Muncies side of the SteveK story, or pointing out that Paintball actually is condoned by Muncie, or pionting out MA was indeed optional and can be so again.

Yup, Doom & Gloom all the time.

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You still get to fly your glow stuff albeit "outlaw".

Being able to fly glow without AMA benefits
is NOT a benefit of AMA membership.

This falls directly back to what Stick (& others) have been saying for 6 month or more:
We have to find out what we have to offer that the Parkies want. Saying they can fly outside of AMA is not a selling point to get those flying outside AMA to join. I can only imagine they buy those PArkie magazines, why not make the AMA PPP magazine something they would want to buy... and by BUY I mean pay $29 a year for it and get insurance & club stuff as a free PullOut

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RE: Will your club allow PPP members to join - 4/10/2008 12:25:28 AM

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ya know kid, that is actually one of the best ideas i have heard for attracting the parkies.
only problem, is the same folks that let the GH editorial slip through will be running/editing the ama park rag, so........................well, it was a good idea anyway.

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RE: Will your club allow PPP members to join - 4/10/2008 1:06:17 AM

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ya know kid, that is actually one of the best ideas i have heard for attracting the parkies.
only problem, is the same folks that let the GH editorial slip through will be running/editing the ama park rag, so........................well, it was a good idea anyway.

The sad thing is that if the terms that were printed were a mistake, why were they ever written in the first place? With this kind of attitude toward those of us who post (and most people who are interested in model aircraft do use the internet, and it would seem that most of them post here on RCU), how does the AMA ever expect to attract any new members, or for that matter, even keep those that they already have?

Bill, AMA 4720

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RE: Will your club allow PPP members to join - 4/10/2008 1:46:24 PM

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The more forward thinking clubs will allow PPP membership to satisfy their members AMA requirements.

I don't see how allowing PPP members to join a local club is in any way "forward thinking".

Park Pilot members join local clubs - clubs get more members - some PP members may see the nitro/gas planes at the local clubs and decide to upgrade to an AMA open membership to fly the bigger planes. The club grows, the hobby grows, the AMA grows. Forward thinking.

Lets see PF join club as full ama members see larger planes still like to fly parkies. Forward thinking.

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PPP encourages a tiered "us" vs "them" mentality due to lack of recognition as an actual ama member. Division results, hobby is split. REGRESSIVE Thinking.

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RE: Will your club allow PPP members to join - 4/10/2008 2:18:31 PM

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The more forward thinking clubs will allow PPP membership to satisfy their members AMA requirements.

I don't see how allowing PPP members to join a local club is in any way "forward thinking".

Park Pilot members join local clubs - clubs get more members - some PP members may see the nitro/gas planes at the local clubs and decide to upgrade to an AMA open membership to fly the bigger planes. The club grows, the hobby grows, the AMA grows. Forward thinking.

Lets see PF join club as full ama members see larger planes still like to fly parkies. Forward thinking.

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PPP encourages a tiered "us" vs "them" mentality due to lack of recognition as an actual ama member. Division results, hobby is split. REGRESSIVE Thinking.

I think you may have tried to alter reality a bit with your wording. Let's try it a different way.

Let's see PF join club as a PPP member, see larger planes fly, still likes PF. Club get's full dues and new member, PF gets benefits of being a member of the club.

PPP encourages an "us" ( aero modelers ) mentality due to recognition of PPP meeting club AMA requirements, we are all parts of a larger harmonious group, hobbyists are united, the angels sing, Dark cloud part bringing blue skies and sunshine, progressive thinking.

The only way it can be divisive is if local clubs cause it to be that way through discriminatory and seperatist membership qualifications. ( regressive ) Clubs that embrace PPP'ers as AMA members. (progressive)

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Original: KE

Being able to fly glow without AMA benefits
is NOT a benefit of AMA membership.

That is true but it's your choice. Having a choice is what it's all about.

You can:

Pay $29 - get to fly your (AMA defined - whole 'nother discussion ) PF at an AMA charted club. No glow. You chose to save $29 rather than to fly your glow stuff.

Pay $58 - get to fly anything you wish. You choose to pay the amount that allows you to fly whatever you want.

Pay $0 - get to fly anything you wish, without AMA insurance and not at an AMA chartered club. The club chose to be an AMA chartered club, you choose not to have AMA coverage.

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RE: Will your club allow PPP members to join - 4/10/2008 3:03:35 PM

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The more forward thinking clubs will allow PPP membership to satisfy their members AMA requirements.

I don't see how allowing PPP members to join a local club is in any way "forward thinking".

Park Pilot members join local clubs - clubs get more members - some PP members may see the nitro/gas planes at the local clubs and decide to upgrade to an AMA open membership to fly the bigger planes. The club grows, the hobby grows, the AMA grows. Forward thinking.

Lets see PF join club as full ama members see larger planes still like to fly parkies. Forward thinking.

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PPP encourages a tiered "us" vs "them" mentality due to lack of recognition as an actual ama member. Division results, hobby is split. REGRESSIVE Thinking.

Park flyer pilots can join as full AMA members right now, so there's nothing "forward thinking" about that. Trying to attract more PF pilots with the lower priced Park Pilot membership is "forward thinking" IMO. A large number of people are buying PFs, so targetting that market and encouraging them to join the AMA and our local clubs is a good way to grow the hobby.

I don't believe the majority of the AMA members will be worrying about a "tiered" dues structure or adopting an "us" vs. "them" mentality. Anyone willing to restrict themselves to the PPP limitations can get the Park Pilot membership. I believe the majority of current "open" AMA members won't want to have the PPP restrictions, and will view the Park Pilot memberships as an entry-level membership geared towards attracting the large number of new PF purchasers that would not join otherwise.

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