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micahdeane -> FMS (3/9/2008 12:30:18 AM)

hello,
I am new to flying and i was wondering how realistic the Fms is to actually flying in real life? thanks for your time



broke_n_bummin -> RE: FMS (3/12/2008 2:32:44 AM)

As far as graphics, FMS isn't all that. BUT ... as far as learning basic orientation, learning to trim the plane out, take offs and landings, (which is about only thing any sim could teach you) it does just fine. Anything more than that is just a game.



Charlie -> RE: FMS (3/12/2008 8:56:11 AM)

quote:

(as far as learning basic orientation, learning to trim the plane out, take offs and landings, (which is about only thing any sim could teach you) it does just fine. Anything more than that is just a game.

I guess I wasted $300 buck on my sim [X(].

I'm not trying to start a flaming war here but a good sim will teach you a lot more then that. If you want to teach yourself 3D flying with a real RC airplane/heli you better have deep pockets (not everyone but most people).



micahdeane -> RE: FMS (3/12/2008 11:15:31 PM)

yeah well i am just wanting to get the basics down real good before i start any 3D flying.i plan on buying a better sim later on for that. i see the graphics are looking like something from the original nintendo, so i didn't know if the planes flew like something from nintendo or if it was pretty acurate



broke_n_bummin -> RE: FMS (3/13/2008 9:27:59 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Charlie

quote:

(as far as learning basic orientation, learning to trim the plane out, take offs and landings, (which is about only thing any sim could teach you) it does just fine. Anything more than that is just a game.

I guess I wasted $300 buck on my sim [X(].

I'm not trying to start a flaming war here but a good sim will teach you a lot more then that. If you want to teach yourself 3D flying with a real RC airplane/heli you better have deep pockets (not everyone but most people).

Only a really rich person would go straight to 3D without the aid of a trainer and maybe a sport plane as a second. I don't care how good the sim is, they are all based on assumption. They assume the weather is as predictable as you make it, they assume that the engine is perfectly tuned, they assume that the batteries are fully charged at all times, but the most important thing is that there is no little red reset button that works in real life.
I wouldn't say you wasted $300 on a sim, but that is a little more than I would want to pay gor a game.
The flight mechanics aren't perfect in FMS, and the planes slow down a little faster than in real life, but that too can be adjusted. Like I said, they're all based on assumption.



skywarp1 -> RE: FMS (3/30/2008 3:05:27 AM)


quote:

Only a really rich person would go straight to 3D without the aid of a trainer and maybe a sport plane as a second. I don't care how good the sim is, they are all based on assumption. They assume the weather is as predictable as you make it, they assume that the engine is perfectly tuned, they assume that the batteries are fully charged at all times, but the most important thing is that there is no little red reset button that works in real life.
I wouldn't say you wasted $300 on a sim, but that is a little more than I would want to pay gor a game.
The flight mechanics aren't perfect in FMS, and the planes slow down a little faster than in real life, but that too can be adjusted. Like I said, they're all based on assumption.




Yeah, the FMS people obviously have never flown in Kansas, where the wind can come from any direction at any time during any 5-15 or longer flight for any plane. Had that happend during a flight with my FW190, wind just changed direction within minutes in a wide open field. Haven't gotten my sim to do that.



flyX -> RE: FMS (3/30/2008 3:51:08 AM)

Okay..tell me which sim has the ability to change wind directions and where do I find the menu that say wind spanws in whatever directions.

FMS has wind and thermal.

TRUN OFF the FIXED camera view in the veiw option. As a defualt it comes like that.
But if you turn it off...the model will float all over the screen....unlike some other sims, that only
gose up and down no matter what you do.lol


There's plenty of models set up for 3d in FMS...or you can just change the perimeter of whatever model
to what you want. Kind of like the other sims[:)]



Time Pilot -> RE: FMS (3/30/2008 5:03:08 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: micahdeane
I am new to flying and i was wondering how realistic the Fms is to actually flying in real life?


FMS planes don't fly like the ones in real life, but every different plane flys differently in real life anyway. What's important is making that link from plane to brain through your thumbs and then get a good trainer and take it slow.

I started this hobby on a $15 'on sale' now-extinct simulator using a game pad with two joysticks, throttle mapped to a slider. It was good enough to get me to learn how to fly a Slow Stick with minimal crashing. Once you can fly, move up only one step at a time and you'll do fine.

What I liked about that sim, were the tutorials like you get in the better sims. I had to fly through big donuts in the sky. Go straight through the donut, turn left through the donut, take off and fly through the donut.... It made learning a little more structured, FMS has nothing like this.

$20 FMS controller

Money spent on a sim is money saved in crashed planes.



skywarp1 -> RE: FMS (3/30/2008 5:15:17 AM)

No they don't fly like in real life. I think they fly slower in the sim than in real life, except for the extremely difficult to control jets (FMS). Plus in the real world, you have periferal (sp?) vision which helps, but I reckon if you can get good at keeping a model within a box in the sky then you got it made right?



flyX -> RE: FMS (3/30/2008 6:42:40 AM)

FMS has the obstical cousre or Rings. You can copy and paste that object from a pre existing scene (.scn file)
and put it any where you want in another scenery...it's just basic math. The Z = hiegth..oki doki.
You can even scale it to whatever size you want, just like the other sims...there's just not a quick edit menu like the
the sim you purchase.
Heck I even made a 3d scenery with a couple sets of rings ..you can download it , if you look around.

There's a link to the download page on FMS's main site...the training course is the first one you see.lmaf

You can adjust the max thrust to 1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000. It'll fly faster than the real jets.lol

Btw...I have the other sims too.[:)]

here's my crappy FMS..lol
i slapped in Aerofly, preflight's, Clearview scenries and some that the other sims don't have.
Btw,,it's just the arionian mode I'm play in the solo.

Notice how the model dosn't stay FIXED to the center of the screen ???

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLti1cNl1O8



HEMICUDA -> RE: FMS (3/30/2008 7:33:36 AM)

Hello everyone,

Long time reader, first time poster. I just received my $25 Century USB controller that came with a FMS disc from Tower-Hobbies.
The box that the order came in (other stuff I ordered ) wasn't packed very well and there sounds like there is something loose
inside the controller. When I calibrate for flight, the aeleron channel glitches and when I fly the planes don't want to go to the right.
I have to wait until Monday and see if Th will take it back.

Does anyone have info on an usb controller for FMS beside the one listed on this thread (listed by time pilot) I checked it out and they
wanted $12 to ship. I have 2 arms and 2 legs and don't want to part with them just for an usb controller. I'm new to the hobby and
with my tax return bought an Electristar EP Select with 4 batteries and a Flyzone J3Piper cub with 2 batteries. Just wanted to get some
sim time in before flying weather comes. Any suggestions???



flyX -> RE: FMS (3/30/2008 7:38:42 AM)

Have you tried calibrating in window's menu first.. The gamepad menu.
You have to calibrate there first.
then calibrat after in FMS's calibration's



HEMICUDA -> RE: FMS (3/30/2008 7:45:57 AM)

Yeah, I did. All the other channels move on the screen in full range, but the aeleron doesn't.
When I move the stick left it moves all the way down nice and smooth, but to the right it starts blinking
on the screen and going haywire. Like I said, i think it was damaged during shipment.



micahdeane -> RE: FMS (4/6/2008 3:14:12 AM)

have you tried uninstalling the program and then reinstalling it, a friend of mine had a problem kinda like that. after the reinstall and recalibrated it worked.



HEMICUDA -> RE: FMS (4/10/2008 6:29:07 AM)

Back again,
Called Tower and the sent a new right out at no charge, they didn't even want the old one. New one works fine
Calibrates and program runs smooth. Like I said damaged during shipping. Tower picked up some of
their credibility with me, But if anyone buys a FMS contoller I go with somewhere else just because of their
packaging.

Thanks anyways



gaRCfield -> RE: FMS (4/26/2008 5:25:19 AM)

Hey guys-
I was wondering if anyone knew and could recommend which models in FMS are pretty flight realistic. Some seem to feel especially 'fake'.

Thanks.



N7OR -> RE: FMS (4/26/2008 10:35:33 PM)

You might consider ClearView sim. It's almost free, and a step above FMS I think. Feels more real to me anyway. Then again, I have never owned any of the 200-300 sims. They are no doubt cool, but that's money I would rather spend on an airplane or accessories for actual live flying outdoors with other humans! [:D] [:D]



dabigboy -> RE: FMS (5/7/2008 8:18:58 AM)

I actually picked up a lot from...get ready....MS Flight Simulator 5.1, back in the day. :) I flew a lot from the tower view, with just a cheesy Logitech Wingman 3D (generic gaming joystick, I didn't even have rudder control). This allowed me to solo my old Cox Sundance the first time with no serious problems, though I crashed many times thereafter. [:)] I would agree with a previous poster that the important thing for a newbie is getting the brain+thumbs (or thumbs+forefingers for some of us) connection going, getting used to handling the plane in all sorts of different orientations. All RC'ers who stick with it I think reach a point fairly early on where there's no more thinking about what attitude the plane is in and what inputs need to be used, it's just second nature, and I believe the sim helps you get there a whole lot quicker.

As to Real Flight, Clearview, FMS, etc......personally I would not spend $300 on any flight simulator software right now. That's $300 I could put towards props, fuel, a new kit maybe.......and I have tried the latest Real Flight and another sim (FS-One, I think) at a local hobby shop. It was indeed pretty cool, once I have some more RC goodies and money is not so tight (just relocated and started a new job a couple months ago), I *might* considering a purchase then. I enjoyed RF more than FMS, and I suspect for learning advanced techniques, RF and others may have more to offer. But for basic learning, I'm not sure there's such a huge advantage to a more sophisticated sim compared to FMS or other basic or non-RC sims (X-Plane or MSFS still make good RC sims for the basics, especially since both allow modifying the plane's flight model, and to a far greater extent than any RC sim I've seen...plus X-Plane's helicopters are nothing short of amazing).

One purchase I can heartily recommend is a good USB transmitter interface....either something that lets you use a real transmitter, or a dedicated box. I picked up an E-Sky USB TX on ebay for cheap (I think the total was under $30) and it works great. In fact, if I'm not mistaken, it has circuitry for 2 joystick buttons on the board inside, so you could mount some buttons or momentary switches in the TX and wire them to the board if you really wanted to (not 100% sure on this, but looking at the TX's response in software, it appears to have the firmware and everything in place for 2 buttons, probably just the best/cheapest board they could find for the job).



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