iron eagel
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ORIGINAL: da Rock Actually, the Corsair was one of the fastest airplanes of it's era. And it's engine heat was released almost uniformly around the entire fuselage. But the Mustang, on the other hand was like our models and didn't have cylinders all around the front of the airplane. So the Mustang solution was basically to create a cowl for the heat exchanger and it's sort of a parallel to our problem with our one cylinder heat source. If we look at the Mustang situation, maybe we can see what made it work and how our engine cowling might do the same. The Mustang's underslung "cowling" was also basically a vertical arrangement. And the heat exhaust was proportionally aft of the intake. I'd guess it was about 5 times the width of the "cowl" aft of the intake of that cowl. That would put the exit back into air that had already been turbulated. And then, they basically didn't flatten the exit down to the shape of the fuselage, they sorta stood it up. Look at the dump gates of that era. The Thunderbolt had a couple and they were basically as tall as they were wide. When the Mustang needed max area for heat exhaust, the gate opened out. It basically got as tall as it was wide. Those designers increased their area outward. That would do a couple of things. It wouldn't blanket more fuselage area, but only what was already seeing turbulent exhaust. It would also place the even hotter exhaust air farther out from the boundary layer. Our speed cowls for single cylinder engines place a basically rectangular heat exhaust "on edge" so that as little boundary layer area is affected as possible. Our cowl pretty much dumps most of the hot air appreciably "above" the fuselage. If you will, we could look at the exhaust more as a ribbon than a bubble. And the narrowest part of the ribbon is the only part that is disrupting whatever boundary layer exists. We're already dumping the air as far OUT from the fuselage as possible. And we've hopefully done a decent job of making the cowl so that it disrupts the flow around it a whole lot less than the naked cylinder did. So the airflow is less turbulated because of the cowl, and the exhaust is being beneficially distributed as a ribbon with minimal contact to the fuselage. AND THINK ABOUT THIS DETAIL............ The basically vertical rectangle of the exhaust doesn't have to open completely down to the fuselage. I used to build my rat cowls with an exhaust opening up the fin a bit. The cowl had no opening at all at the base where it came up out of the fuselage. I used to kid myself that I had some understanding of how thick the boundary layer was around the fuselage, and wouldn't have the exhaust dump down in that area. Did it work? I got not the slightest idea, because I never tested it. But I guarantee you, it being a CL environment, if we had tested it we would have known with decent certainty. And look at the Mustang's setup. Look at the intake and you'll see they stood the opening away from the fuselage. I'm betting that was a boundary layer consideration. Heck, look at every projecting intake you can find on WWII a/c. And then look at the exhausts. I'd bet the problem of downstream "bubbles" isn't a major consideration. Thanks DA, The P-51 was one of the planes, that after looking at the setup, I began to wonder about the interaction with the boundry layer. That and the intake on the F-16 made me wonder what was the thought behind that.... It seems that there is some consideration about the effects of intake and exhaust on the boundry layer but little documentation about what those effects are. I wish I could still fly CL, but since having surgery on my shoulder several years ago I can not put that type of strain on my arm, because it is such a good way to experiment with designs. So lacking the proper instrumentation and obviously not being an aeronautical engineer, I have to ask questions here and then take a SWAG as to how to proceed. And it is cool that we have so many folks who have experince and knowledge on here to get information from. On one discussion we we having regarding wing tips Michael Selig passed along some information, what more can you ask for? I have a few more irons in the fire to deal with before I can start on my speed plane build. But where this was being discussed now I wanted to get into the fray as it where and see if we could build a consenses as to some aerodynamic issues that should be addressed. As we all know deltas have so many diferent things that effect them, I was truly interested in what the effects of of cowling an engine would have on the airframe, given the many quirks you encounter with deltas. Thanks again all...
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