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Blade Grips - 3/11/2008 3:48:47 PM   
Kaptain Chaos



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Status: offline 		Anyone else notice you have to put your blade grips on upside down for your heli to fly proper?

It seems they manufacture them that way these days, anyone else notice ?

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RE: Blade Grips - 3/11/2008 4:52:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well I phoned heli Max an they confirmed that they do in fact manufacture the blade grips now so the nut is on top and the bolt goes in through the bottom of the blade making it very hard to install.

I am more and more unimpressed by heli max and there shotty money grabs and plastic **** parts like the tail motor mount pure trash...

Blade 400 3D Here I come heli max = headaches fried e-boards and make shift plastic parts made to break more than they fly.

tech support is ridiculous too I phoned them today and talked to a Neanderthal he wasn't aware of the part change till 20 min of explanation did I mention I emailed them 4 seperate occasions also regarding my blade grip dilemma I say dilemma because I have two axe cps that from what I thought the grips had to go on one way which made my heli not fly and thrust downwards my LHS didn't know what to say other than I put my blades on backwards which I did not.

So if anyone else has wondered yes they are made backwards.

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RE: Blade Grips - 3/11/2008 5:40:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		I am assuming that you are talking about an AXE CP? If so the blade grips are made so you can install them regardless of which side. Yes they have the nut capturing wells on both sides. This is so it doesn't matter which way you install the grips. Sorry to hear that you where told that you have to put the bolt in upside down because this is not true. If you refer to the instruction manual there is a segment that shows you how to change the blade grips.
It is impossible to get them on backwards because the grips are identical. You could be installing them with the linkage over clocked. Please check with your manual to verify.
Jason Danhakl
Heli-Max Product Development.

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RE: Blade Grips - 3/11/2008 8:58:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		I also noticed this the first time I had to change a grip. No big deal but it sure made me take a second look and double check that I was assembling correctly.

This manufacturing defect has been discussed here before.

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RE: Blade Grips - 3/11/2008 11:07:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		I don't work for Heli-max, but I am with Jason on this one. I like the fact that the blade grips break with too strong of an impact. The way it was described to me by my LHS they act as a sort of fuse. By snapping, they keep the motor from stalling and burning out the ESC. As to changing them, helis require observation as to how they are built to begin with and what changes in crashes. The blade grips can go on either way as stated above. Just put the bolt in from the top and the nut on the bottom. Actually it make it so you can use both blade grips for repairs, you don't need sided pairs. In my mind, not a defect at all, but a good design feature. Doc

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RE: Blade Grips - 3/12/2008 1:04:28 AM   
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Status: offline 		Actually, I noticed this last year. The "top" has the hexigonal opening, and the "bottom" has a round opening. It works better with the round opening holding the 6 sided nut because it is a tight fit and the nut does not fall out. If you were to install the bolt through the bottom, and the nut on top in the hexigon opening, the nut can just fall out if you turn the grip over. The mistake actually made an improvement.

You can't please everyone all the time.

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RE: Blade Grips - 3/12/2008 1:41:53 AM   
Kaptain Chaos



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quote:

ORIGINAL: Jason 3-Danhakl

I am assuming that you are talking about an AXE CP? If so the blade grips are made so you can install them regardless of which side. Yes they have the nut capturing wells on both sides. This is so it doesn't matter which way you install the grips.
Heli-Max Product Development.



Sorry to say but the nut capturing side is one sided on the blade grips it is hexagonal for the nut itself.

Another downside is the parts for the AXE CP are mostly flimsy made to break bad desinged plastic, the tail motor wire doesn't have a part listing in my manual, the screw sets come with all the screws you DON'T NEED!
and good luck finding a singe screw that fits your tail motor mount my local hobby shop gave me one assuring me it would fit well it didnt it was too long and short circuited my E board fun fun...

Im sick of both my axe cps they are nothing but headaches and finding parts at your local hobby shop is near impossible atleast in my city.

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RE: Blade Grips - 3/12/2008 5:36:29 AM   
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Status: offline 		I am certainly no expert but I have had great luck with my axe. I bought it back in November. I had no kind of flight experience not even planes and no sim. I have learned to fly with it. IT seems quite tough. I have crashed many times but quite often there is no damage. I have only had to replace 7 blade grips, a canopy, a servo link, 2 tail booms 1 tail rotor and a landing skid support . I am still using my first set of plasti-blades. I think the secret is to be sure the throttle is off before it hits the ground in a crash and you will minimize damage.

Be carefull buying another heli as there are many worse ones out there. Many are better but they are more expensive and I'm not sure any will take a beating better than the axe.

My friend has a t-rex he has learned on , it is a high quality bird but he seems to crash as much as me and it costs him more to fix. He is considering getting an axe to fly till he gets better at it.

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RE: Blade Grips - 3/12/2008 6:13:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		Just remember this on the AXE CP blade grips: THE BALL LINK GOES TOWARD THE TRAILING EDGE of the BLADES!

If you install them wrong, the heli will not get off the ground.

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RE: Blade Grips - 3/23/2008 10:47:17 AM   
COPO



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Status: offline 		Alright someone from the same town as me!!

I have had my AXE for 1-1/2 years. Crashed it early on and it has sat for many months untouched. Well I ordered my broken parts from tower and they came in the other day. Assembled the AXE last night only to find out that it won't lift. looking at the owners manual it appears I have the grips installed wrong. I cannot figure out how to get the balde grip nut on the bottom like the pic and have the ball on the trailing edge. It just dosen't work. However when I compared my new stock blade grips with the originals, they look to be manufactered the same. Something is messed up.

Those aluminum ones look nice. My career is a machinist so this summer I will look into making some pieces also maybe out of delrin.

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RE: Blade Grips - 3/23/2008 3:57:21 PM   
Shadow99


 

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Status: offline 		UKIE,

Yeah, Helimax molded the Blade grips with the HEX on the top, & the counterbore on the bottom, but they work out great to hold the nut in place. I've had mine about 9 months, but I don't really call it an AXE CP anymore, its more of a MX300 now! DX7 radio, belt driven tail, Bell-Hiller mod, tons of custom machined aluminum "BLING," as I'm a CITIZEN SWISS-STYLE CNC Service Engineer, so when I have time I go to the office & crank out some "Goverment-Project" stuff for my heli. Nothing better than a stock rack full of Titanuim & 7075-T6 Aluminum "SCRAP!"
Just picked up a BL motor yesterday, now I just need an ESC & pinions with the right pitch (0.40mm), a real oddball.

Shadow


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RE: Blade Grips - 3/23/2008 4:38:20 PM   
COPO



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ORIGINAL: Shadow99

UKIE,

Yeah, Helimax molded the Blade grips with the HEX on the top, & the counterbore on the bottom, but they work out great to hold the nut in place. I've had mine about 9 months, but I don't really call it an AXE CP anymore, its more of a MX300 now! DX7 radio, belt driven tail, Bell-Hiller mod, tons of custom machined aluminum "BLING," as I'm a CITIZEN SWISS-STYLE CNC Service Engineer, so when I have time I go to the office & crank out some "Goverment-Project" stuff for my heli. Nothing better than a stock rack full of Titanuim & 7075-T6 Aluminum "SCRAP!"
Just picked up a BL motor yesterday, now I just need an ESC & pinions with the right pitch (0.40mm), a real oddball.

Shadow


Sounds pretty good Shadow. My machines are a bit bigger than the Citizen Swiss, even though I do have a Emco Maier miniature lathe and mill in storage. I work for a local engineering college making all kinds of one-of-a-kind fixtures and future products that 20 y.o. engineering students design. Just me and a shop full of decent machines and one 4 axis HAAS MINIMILL. Fun but challenging job.

As for the blade grips, I have my originals that I took off when they broke. They are exactly the same as the new ones I just got from Tower. I know that when I got the AXE brand new the grips had the round recess in the top for the philips head bolt and the hexagon nut recess on the bottom. I cannot for the life of me put it back together this way and have everything running in the correct direction. Very bizzare.

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RE: Blade Grips - 3/23/2008 7:50:03 PM   
MMatheny


 

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Status: offline 		Nope - those blade grips have been manufactured that way from the beginning. You might have THOUGHT the hex recess was on the bottom, but I guarantee it wasn't!

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