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EADS tanker - 3/13/2008 5:18:32 PM   
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They awarded the 40B contract to build new air tankers to Air Bus.
40B of our taxpayer dollars to a country that does not support us in IRAC.
40B of our taxpayer dollars to a country that pulled out of Viet Nam and left us holding the bag after we tried to help them.
40B of our taxpayer dollars to a country that we rescued twice from Germany and now treats us like scum.
40B of our taxpayer dollars to a company that sells the latest arms to our enemies.
As a retired Boeing employee I am disappointed.
As an American citizen I am outraged.
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RE: EADS tanker - 3/13/2008 5:54:00 PM   
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I agree, maybe we should outsource our politicians jobs to foreign countries as well??
See how they like that...

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RE: EADS tanker - 3/13/2008 6:25:24 PM   
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It appears that there are two sides to the story and Boeing isn't exatly blameless. Norm

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RE: EADS tanker - 3/13/2008 6:44:20 PM   
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Sure Boeing isn't completely blameless, but as I understand it, McCain was the one who brought it into the open. I also understand that several people working on his campaign were former lobbyists for EADS? Is that information correct???

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RE: EADS tanker - 3/13/2008 7:00:13 PM   
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I am not sure, I have friends in the Boeing network and the scuttlebutt is that a very poor proposal was made using obsolete info. I also think that this contract will be revoked, if the pols are smart, and sometimes we wonder about that fact, they will rethink this. Norm

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RE: EADS tanker - 3/13/2008 7:13:49 PM   
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Boeing isn't completely blameless is an understatement. Boeing Executives went to jail because of what they did in the past. As a Veteran I have no love of the French. But I detest criminals, especially in the Defense industry. You need to blame them. They cost us these jobs and money.

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RE: EADS tanker - 3/13/2008 7:19:58 PM   
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Got a whole bunch of kids and grandkids living in Grants Pass, Norm

I agree about the French and I am one.

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RE: EADS tanker - 3/13/2008 7:22:04 PM   
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I definitely blame them for the whole mess in the first place! I think they should get some used 767's and retrofit them and save us tax payers even more $$$$$$$$$

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RE: EADS tanker - 3/13/2008 7:26:54 PM   
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quote:

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Sure Boeing isn't completely blameless, but as I understand it, McCain was the one who brought it into the open. I also understand that several people working on his campaign were former lobbyists for EADS? Is that information correct???


Your information is correct. People in his campaign were lobbyist for EADS.

Gerry

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RE: EADS tanker - 3/13/2008 7:29:58 PM   
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I think its time we Americans stood up and took our country back before our 'elected' officials finish giving it away

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RE: EADS tanker - 3/13/2008 7:43:53 PM   
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quote:

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I definitely blame them for the whole mess in the first place! I think they should get some used 767's and retrofit them and save us tax payers even more $$$$$$$$$


This was Boeings proposal in the first place. There are lots of used 767,747, and 757's sitting around.
I agree there was hanky panky in the top management. Those people were sent to jail or have resigned. The people that make the airplanes were not to blame.
Shall we punish the people of the state of NY because their governor likes to hire hookers?

Also check this out:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080313/ap_on_bi_ge/diving_dollar

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RE: EADS tanker - 3/13/2008 8:59:00 PM   
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Unfortunately the people who make the planes do not bid the contracts. Their loss is caused by Boeing and no one else. It would not surprise me to see this contract changed on appeal. But blaming anyone but the top people at Boeing for this mess is rather like blaming flies for garbage.

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RE: EADS tanker - 3/14/2008 4:40:55 PM   
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To those that think the Boeing Co. got what they deserved consider this:
To Boeing this contract is a drop in the bucket. Its only one airplane per month compared to 40 times that for their commercial operations.
In fact they would probably be better off concentrating on getting the delayed 787 out.
Its a labor intensive contract. Lots of little people will lose their jobs to the French.
That's what enrages me.

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RE: EADS tanker - 3/14/2008 5:08:51 PM   
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This is from an interview with Ron Sugar, Northrop Grumman Chairman and CEO, on FOX News yesterday:

"There is a lot of controversy about our use of Airbus as an airframe supplier. Frankly, I’m shocked at the amount of misinformation being discussed in the halls of Congress and in the press. To set the record straight: Northrop Grumman is the prime contractor, a top-tier American firm that builds the B-2 Stealth Bomber, America’s nuclear aircraft carriers and the Global Hawk. Our team will create or support 48,000 new jobs in America—in 49 states. No U.S. workers will be fired because we are building new tankers. On the contrary, our win will contribute to development of a new U.S. Aerospace corridor being created in the Southeast."


This is from the Seattle Times:

Japan's share of the Dreamliner

Three Japanese industrial giants build and co-design 35 percent of the 787. They deliver most of the 787's center section and are now manufacturing the massive composite plastic pieces in Nagoya, two hours southwest of Tokyo by bullet train.

The Japanese government provides loans to finance the development project estimated at up to $2 billion.

Mitsubishi Heavy Industries builds the main piece of the 114-foot-long 787 wing and attaches the fixed trailing edge built by Kawasaki and the fixed leading edge built by Spirit AeroSystems in Tulsa, Okla. The two big wing sections delivered to Everett together weigh about 25 tons.

Kawasaki Heavy Industries builds the fixed trailing edge of the 787 wing, which it delivers to Mitsubishi. Kawasaki also builds the barrel-shaped, single-piece fuselage section just forward of the wings. The fuselage section, weighing about 5 tons, goes to Global Aeronautica in Charleston, S.C., for assembly.

Fuji Heavy Industries (better known as the maker of Subaru autos) builds the 787's "center wing box," the load-bearing structure in the lower central fuselage that holds the wings. The Fuji part, delivered to Charleston, S.C., weighs almost 10 tons.

Source: Boeing



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RE: EADS tanker - 3/14/2008 6:50:24 PM   
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quote:

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This is from an interview with Ron Sugar, Northrop Grumman Chairman and CEO, on FOX News yesterday:

"There is a lot of controversy about our use of Airbus as an airframe supplier. Frankly, I’m shocked at the amount of misinformation being discussed in the halls of Congress and in the press. To set the record straight: Northrop Grumman is the prime contractor, a top-tier American firm that builds the B-2 Stealth Bomber, America’s nuclear aircraft carriers and the Global Hawk. Our team will create or support 48,000 new jobs in America—in 49 states. No U.S. workers will be fired because we are building new tankers. On the contrary, our win will contribute to development of a new U.S. Aerospace corridor being created in the Southeast."


This is from the Seattle Times:

Japan's share of the Dreamliner

Three Japanese industrial giants build and co-design 35 percent of the 787. They deliver most of the 787's center section and are now manufacturing the massive composite plastic pieces in Nagoya, two hours southwest of Tokyo by bullet train.

The Japanese government provides loans to finance the development project estimated at up to $2 billion.

Mitsubishi Heavy Industries builds the main piece of the 114-foot-long 787 wing and attaches the fixed trailing edge built by Kawasaki and the fixed leading edge built by Spirit AeroSystems in Tulsa, Okla. The two big wing sections delivered to Everett together weigh about 25 tons.

Kawasaki Heavy Industries builds the fixed trailing edge of the 787 wing, which it delivers to Mitsubishi. Kawasaki also builds the barrel-shaped, single-piece fuselage section just forward of the wings. The fuselage section, weighing about 5 tons, goes to Global Aeronautica in Charleston, S.C., for assembly.

Fuji Heavy Industries (better known as the maker of Subaru autos) builds the 787's "center wing box," the load-bearing structure in the lower central fuselage that holds the wings. The Fuji part, delivered to Charleston, S.C., weighs almost 10 tons.

Source: Boeing




In the begining NG said 23,000 jobs would be created. Now its up to 48,000. How come?
No jobs will be lost? Tell that to my neighbor that has received his notice.
Yes the Japanese are building a lot of the 787. The last I heard they also had troops in Irac. Maybe they have gone home by now. They have also bought 767 tankers.
NG is the prime contractor for the B2 but a lot of it was built by Boeing. In fact I think Boeng built more than NG.
So they build great aircraft carriers. Have they built an aircraft tanker?

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RE: EADS tanker - 3/14/2008 6:55:39 PM   
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The Japanese left Iraq after cutting a deal with the enemy to get some Japanese hostages released.

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RE: EADS tanker - 3/15/2008 5:47:12 PM   
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