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RE: Top Flight Sea Fury 60 Kit Questions - 5/12/2008 2:25:18 AM   
mesaflyer


 

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Status: offline 		Here is the fuelage formers F3D I was talking about. Had to upload them one at a time.

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RE: Top Flight Sea Fury 60 Kit Questions - 5/12/2008 2:50:25 AM   
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Status: offline 		well the good thing is your fitting the parts first on both the TF kits I have done I ran into parts that didn't match up perfectly.
what I did was compromise the part that seemed out of place if the former looked off then trim that if the doubler was the one that wasn't cut right then it became the altered part,in your case it looks like the doubler is too small,a solution that might work is razor saw the doubler in half and slide each side towards the fuse crutches,you can always add some light ply to fill the small gap in the center.

another thing I did in the nose of my P-47 was to add tri stock to all those critical high stress corners with epoxy, to strengthen the nose area.
nothing behind the CG but since these planes need nose weight anyway why not beef up the crutch connections, engine mount,and fuel tank area, with usefull weight instead of lead,the tri stock also filled some of those loose spots,in the areas that were not a perfect fit,but I felt needed the strength of a tight glue joint.

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RE: Top Flight Sea Fury 60 Kit Questions - 5/12/2008 6:15:06 AM   
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This is the first part that didn't fit right. The picture in the manual has them in place just like the one on the left in my picture. It's hard to see in the manual, and there is a dotted line on the plans. All I did was lengthen the notch a little. They are both glued in place like the one on the left. Came out pretty good. The F3D former kinda makes a gusset. Hope that makes sense. I will borrow your your idea on the extra bracing. I am planning on a Brillelli 26 for this plane, so I was definately going to add tri stock and some glass w/epoxy to the back of the fire wall. From what I have read, most guys are adding 42-48 oz (engine and lead combined) up front.

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RE: Top Flight Sea Fury 60 Kit Questions - 5/12/2008 7:05:05 AM   
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Status: offline 		if your going with the gas engine then you definatly need the reenforcement since theres alot more vibration with the little gasser.
heres my P-47 with a BCMA gas engine basicly the same engine as your choice,the only reason I chose to go with the OS 120fs was I had to cut too much cowl out for it to fit for my taste and the radio glitching that comes with gas engines and there EI(electronic ignition)
unless your going with a PCM radio you need to make sure the reciever is far enough away so you don't get RF interference at least 9" from the engine

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RE: Top Flight Sea Fury 60 Kit Questions - 5/13/2008 11:02:26 AM   
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Status: offline 		Hey guys, just received my box of wood today, hopefully I can transform it into a Sea Fury.
One question, Would a Supertiger G2300 be to much for this plane? I think it will fit in the cowl easily, and since it appears that nose weight is required, its best to use this weight to my advantage. Im also at 1800 feet amsl, and its hot here in the desert, so we lose a fair bit of power. Opinions please.

Cheers

Matt

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RE: Top Flight Sea Fury 60 Kit Questions - 5/13/2008 12:29:20 PM   
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ORIGINAL: rastus21

Hey guys, just received my box of wood today, hopefully I can transform it into a Sea Fury.
One question, Would a Supertiger G2300 be to much for this plane? I think it will fit in the cowl easily, and since it appears that nose weight is required, its best to use this weight to my advantage. Im also at 1800 feet amsl, and its hot here in the desert, so we lose a fair bit of power. Opinions please.

Cheers

Matt

Matt,
From what I have read on here, it would be PLENTY of power. They pretty much need a 1.20 four stroke, altough some guys have been able to keep the weight down and have used smaller engines. Let us know how your build goes. I'm a little slow building, so you might just pass me right up!
Pete

Matt,
I am not that familier with Supertiger engines. Just looked it up and see that it is a two stroke? Probably too much power, if there is such a thing .
Pete

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RE: Top Flight Sea Fury 60 Kit Questions - 5/13/2008 4:30:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		Make sure you get get the super tiger 2300 to run 100% reliable before you put it in a plane that you've put so much work into. I know I can't get my 2300 to run reliably.

I think if you can get it to run reliably the power level should be fantastic for the sea furry, and you will definitely need the weight of at least the 2300. The 2300 will for sure way out pull the recommended 120 four stroke. I've thought about building the sea fury and using a crrc 26 gasser, cheap, no mess, more reliable than glow, and you don't want a light engine for this plane anyways.

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RE: Top Flight Sea Fury 60 Kit Questions - 5/14/2008 1:37:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yeah, my G2300 is very reliable, only stopped once when I ran outta fuel. Currently in a Goldberg Sukhoi, Seafury is only a little smaller, and mabee a little heavier, so I think, providing it fits in the cowl should be a good motor for it. Larger motor means I can use a larger prop. Ill put carbon fibre pins in the fire wall ect. I dont build a weak plane. Looking forward to this.

Gonna start on it tomorow, got a day off work so I reckon Ill have the tail feathers done, or close to.

Matt

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RE: Top Flight Sea Fury 60 Kit Questions - 5/15/2008 5:18:01 AM   
mesaflyer


 

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Status: offline 		Well, I figured out what the F3D former is for. Kinda stupid on my part. They are where the wing pins are going to mount on the fuselage. They way I mounted them is fine. Only I glued them in like the manual said. Wished I would have used epoxy! I am going to take bigtim's advise and strengthen everthing up front with epoxy. For those of you that are following along (if any), I made another bobo on the fuselage when I installed the grooved balse main stringers into the notches in the formers. There is no notch in the last former (F13), and the stringers just butt up against F13. I failed to make sure the stringers were straight. One side is fine, but the other side has a bow down in the end. Made it kinda interesting when it came time to sheet the sides, but I managed. Don't care much for the tail wheel/rear plate/balsa block assembly on the back end. If I had more talent, I would figure out some thing else. But, I have to believe that Top Flight has their reasons for engineering it that way. I am as far as I can go with the fuselage, unless I skip forward, and I don't want to do that. Still waiting for my retracts, so can't do anything else. I have a .46 mustang wing to finish up, so I'll return to this after my retracts are installed.

bigtim,
I have Futaba 2.4 system. I know it's not fool proof, but it is supposed to not be bothered by RF interference. I did a search on here on that very subject. But I will still take as many precautions as possible. Thanks for the heads up though.
Pete

rastus21,
Sounds like you wil have a couple hundred flights on your Sea Fury before I even get mine painted! Good luck with your build, and keep us posted.

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RE: Top Flight Sea Fury 60 Kit Questions - 5/15/2008 12:07:13 PM   
rastus21


 

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Status: offline 		Well I only got the fin and rudder 3/4 done today. I got a quiky 500 to assemble before the weekend for club pylon. So that got in the way. I reckon it will take me about 3 months to complete. Hopefully. Im gonna scale it a bit with weathering ect. But I go on holidays soon for a couple of weeks, then after that I gotta go away to do my instrument rating for my full size . Im a full size commercial pilot. After that I can complete this plane. On second thoughts it may take longer.....

I found the parts fit so far to be pretty crap, especially for the price, $350+ AUD. Old school die cutting.....

Matt

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RE: Top Flight Sea Fury 60 Kit Questions - 5/16/2008 5:40:18 AM   
mesaflyer


 

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Status: offline 		Matt,
This is only my second kit. First one was the Tiger 60. It had laser cut parts. Didn't care for those too much, just didn't like the burnt edges. But I guess that is normal. I just sanded all the parts were they were burnt and had to be glued together. Not all of those parts fit perfect either. Either way doesn't seem to bother me much. I guess that I just don't know any better. In the meantime, still waiting for my retracts.

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RE: Top Flight Sea Fury 60 Kit Questions - 5/19/2008 2:33:15 AM   
mesaflyer


 

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Status: offline 		My son and I just got back from the Chino Planes of Fame airshow. It was pretty hot, but way worth it! So many beautiful warbirds! They flew two Sea Furys, the Dreadnaught and one flown by Brian Sanders. So of course, now I want to really finish my Sea Fury. Still waiting for my retracts. Get them someday soon I hope.

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RE: Top Flight Sea Fury 60 Kit Questions - 6/7/2008 5:50:00 AM   
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Status: offline 		Just ordered the Sea Fury from my LHS. mesaflyer you are doing a great job. Keep sending in the posts. Saito is coming out with a 1.15 4 cycle that I was thinking about getting for this. I'm not sure whether to fiberglass it or just use Monocote. I like bigtim's idea of using varathane. I am concerned about adding too much weight to a model that may be heavy already. One question for bigtim is did you use the minwax polycrilic at all or did you just put varathane on the fiberglass.

Hope to be adding to this thread when I start building.

Terry

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