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RE: Black-Magic - Sport (1.10 Sized)? - 5/10/2008 4:46:23 AM   
lodomjr


 

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I just received my Black Magic 110 ARC from Custom Airframes. Man did it look great. Oh yeah, and then I woke up. LOLOLOL

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RE: Black-Magic - Sport (1.10 Sized)? - 5/12/2008 4:23:28 AM   
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CRAP

ok pics will have to wait, mycamera and my computer isn't cooperating. I REALLY need a new camera...

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Mike, have you got your camera and computer on speaking terms yet?


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RE: Black-Magic - Sport (1.10 Sized)? - 5/13/2008 12:34:03 AM   
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RE: Black-Magic - Sport (1.10 Sized)? - 5/20/2008 5:22:00 PM   
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I'll be in his shop this weekend..if he doesnt post them by then..I'll take some

Arch


All right, guys. It's after the weekend and the hangover should be starting to receed a bit... Any pics?


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RE: Black-Magic - Sport (1.10 Sized)? - 5/20/2008 9:55:04 PM   
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RE: Black-Magic - Sport (1.10 Sized)? - 5/28/2008 7:56:56 PM   
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RE: Black-Magic - Sport (1.10 Sized)? - 5/28/2008 8:12:05 PM   
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My laser cutter will be here tomorrow for a 4 day weekend to work out the details on this plane. So by Sunday we SHOULD have a new one framed up and the plugs started for the composites. We're actually in very good shape to fly the plane in a few weeks, and then I'll let you know how much and more details.

Another thing I'm doing is sourcing out parts. landing gear, tubes, etc. And trying to determine if cost-wise it's feasable to make a complete kit...with all wood, parts, equipment, everything except the engine mount and finishing materials.

So what do you guys think, keep the price down and let you shop for wood and parts, or provide all the parts necessary to complete the kit...understanding that it will probably cost as much as most ARFs in the same range? or maybe offer both? I'm not worried about "competing" with the ARFs, it's apples and oranges. Anybody who would want this plane wants it for what it is, not for "I could get an ARF for the same price". If that's the case, get the ARF and make life easy This one is for the rest of us, the builders who want a no compromise airframe to fly pattern with.

One thing I won't do is put junk in the box. Some things don't need to be unobtanium and carbon (LOL) but some things are necessary for a quality long lasting airframe. For instance the wing tube will most likely be anodized aluminum. It's less than half the cost of carbon, and easier to actually GET. In this size the extra ounce just isn't worth it. I'd rather use choise materials and save 6 ounces than worry about that one ounce. if you want to save that ounce too, go for it.

Just sharing my thought process as I work this one out. Let me know what YOU want. No garauntee that I'll do it, but it never hurts to provide some input because I WILL consider it.

I can't wait to get this sucker flying....

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RE: Black-Magic - Sport (1.10 Sized)? - 5/28/2008 8:37:34 PM   
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So what do you guys think, keep the price down and let you shop for wood and parts, or provide all the parts necessary to complete the kit...understanding that it will probably cost as much as most ARFs in the same range? or maybe offer both?



I would say both, that lets people decide how much effort they want to expend versus initial cost. I also like the idea of a "basic" component pack, with maybe an option to upgrade to a "premium" level for extra $$. Personally, I know I would be happy with the basic level because it will not cost an arm and a leg and will give me a quality airframe. I won't be able to tell if it is 3oz heavier than the premium one at my skill level and I won't care. I can spend the money I save on fuel and practice, which is way more beneficial in the long run.

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RE: Black-Magic - Sport (1.10 Sized)? - 5/28/2008 9:59:51 PM   
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Status: offline 		I don't have any plans to make a "pro" version of this plane. Basic only. The only question is, how much to put in the box and what will it cost? Sorry guys no plans for carbon except the stabilizer spar.

So I guess the question is, complete kit and short kits?

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RE: Black-Magic - Sport (1.10 Sized)? - 5/28/2008 11:41:36 PM   
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I spend a fair amount of time scratch building my own stuff______I simply don't want the hassle for a change.
____and trust me each time the hassle seems to take longer. The LHS's seem to think a contest or even decent balsa selection is w___a___y out there !

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RE: Black-Magic - Sport (1.10 Sized)? - 5/29/2008 1:59:47 AM   
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So I guess the question is, complete kit and short kits?


mike,

i'm not sure how international shipping would work out with a box large enough for a complete kit (or even if you have plans to make it available internationally), but my vote is for complete kit too.

sourcing things like contest balsa, wing tubes, a quality deps system, control linkages etc isn't easy in my little part of australia. central hobbies and other u.s. stores can deliver here, but if it all comes with the plane kit, so much the better.

also, do you have any recommendations yet for servos?

cheers, dave williams



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RE: Black-Magic - Sport (1.10 Sized)? - 5/29/2008 3:06:46 AM   
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Great to know it's coming! My preference would be for both a short and full kit. I would buy a full kit first and then most likey short kits to fiddle with thereafter. It's very hard to get good wood around here and I'd rather not hunt-down sources for the various bits. In the end though we need you to maintain a viable business so we can continue to have steady supply of affordable airplanes. If you kit it, we will come!

As for preferable alloys to use, we here in the Aerospace Industry have conclusively determined time and time again that Hopealloy (TM & pat.pend.) far exceeds Unobtanium. It is infinitely strong, has zero density, is free, has temporal-distortion properties of such potency that shedules are ALWAYS met, and finally, the supply is limited only by quanity on-hand of the purchaser's opium derivative of choice.


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RE: Black-Magic - Sport (1.10 Sized)? - 5/29/2008 3:10:47 AM   
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I've been looking forward to this one. I would like to see a kit with all wood, main gear, wing & stab tubes, canopy, & a pattern for dragon graphics.

Please let me know when it is available.

Thanks,

Ken

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RE: Black-Magic - Sport (1.10 Sized)? - 5/29/2008 5:22:28 AM   
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Status: offline 		I'll vote for a short kit just to make your life easier.

There are plenty of places to buy balsa online if the local supply is less than contest grade. Besides we all have our favorite hardware, landing gear and some may even have a stockpile of balsa waiting for the 1.10 sized Black Magic......hey wait....I resemble that remark.

Is mine in the mail yet????????????????????

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