Futaba 6014 Rx and Hitec 5955 servos - a possible solution
03-18-2008, 11:40 AM
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Futaba 6014 Rx and Hitec 5955 servos - a possible solution
Hello guys,
Many people are having problems operating Hitec 5955 servos on the new FASST 6014 Rx by Futaba, since the 6014 Rx is the first Rx that has a signal voltage of 2.6V (up to date all were over 3V).
I just went off the phone with Emmerich, the owner of PB systems, consulting him about an electrical system for my Eurosport and Cermark F-16 and he gave me some very useful information.
1. To be able to use a single device (servo, electronic valve, ECU etc) on the 6014 Rx (if it doesnt work) one can simply use a PB signal amplifier and it will increase the signal voltage which will make it work:
http://www.powerbox-systems.com/e/we...rker/start.php
2. ALL current PB systems have signal amplifiers and will work with Futaba 6014 and 5955 servos etc. some older model PB's will not work, but they are upgradeable at no charge by sending them to PB systems - thats great service !!
So, for those of you (like me) that like the 5955 or bought a bunch to use on your jets - this is in fact a pretty good solution !!
it can also be used for rhose of you who are having trouble operating electronic valves and such on the new 6014 Rx.
Hope you find this information useful.
Many people are having problems operating Hitec 5955 servos on the new FASST 6014 Rx by Futaba, since the 6014 Rx is the first Rx that has a signal voltage of 2.6V (up to date all were over 3V).
I just went off the phone with Emmerich, the owner of PB systems, consulting him about an electrical system for my Eurosport and Cermark F-16 and he gave me some very useful information.
1. To be able to use a single device (servo, electronic valve, ECU etc) on the 6014 Rx (if it doesnt work) one can simply use a PB signal amplifier and it will increase the signal voltage which will make it work:
http://www.powerbox-systems.com/e/we...rker/start.php
2. ALL current PB systems have signal amplifiers and will work with Futaba 6014 and 5955 servos etc. some older model PB's will not work, but they are upgradeable at no charge by sending them to PB systems - thats great service !!
So, for those of you (like me) that like the 5955 or bought a bunch to use on your jets - this is in fact a pretty good solution !!
it can also be used for rhose of you who are having trouble operating electronic valves and such on the new 6014 Rx.
Hope you find this information useful.
03-18-2008, 12:38 PM
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RE: Futaba 6014 Rx and Hitec 5955 servos - a possible solution
You need to use caution when using an amplifier. Some brands out on the market do not accept a low voltage signal. Some chips split the supply voltage into three segments. In order for the amplified chip to see a "high" or "low" signal it must be higher than the bottom 1/3rd of the supply voltage window. For example, if you had a 5 cell pack that was fully charged, you could get up to 7.2+ volts. Divide that by three, and you get 2.4volts. Now the signal must be above 2.4 volts for the chip to see a "high" signal before dropping off to the low. And this all depends of the style of chip in the amp. Too close for my comfort factor.
Time will tell, what systems work with this new 6014. I personally think Futaba needs to make their system more compatable with the industry. They cant fall back on the "Futaba can not guarantee other brands with their system" mentality.
Apple computer is a good example. It is different enough to make it a hard sell except to the hard core apple users while PC dominates the market.
I do believe the Futaba FASST system is the best out there, if only they could be a little more accomodating in this signal voltage issue.
Time will tell, what systems work with this new 6014. I personally think Futaba needs to make their system more compatable with the industry. They cant fall back on the "Futaba can not guarantee other brands with their system" mentality.
Apple computer is a good example. It is different enough to make it a hard sell except to the hard core apple users while PC dominates the market.
I do believe the Futaba FASST system is the best out there, if only they could be a little more accomodating in this signal voltage issue.
03-18-2008, 12:46 PM
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Having a brief look at the diagram in the powerbox instructions, it looks to me like the amplifiers are supplied with regulated 6V plus or minus 0.1V. Therefore the highest voltage the amplifiers can get is 6.1V.
One third of this is 2.03V which is a bit further away than the 2.4 you mention.
Also, which type of chip is in the Powerbox Amp? Is it one that could cause concern?
I am not saying that I am correct but I am sure Powerbox would have thought of this before offering it as a solution.
One third of this is 2.03V which is a bit further away than the 2.4 you mention.
Also, which type of chip is in the Powerbox Amp? Is it one that could cause concern?
I am not saying that I am correct but I am sure Powerbox would have thought of this before offering it as a solution.
03-18-2008, 03:19 PM
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Anyone know what chip is in the Powerbox single amplifier? Anyone have one and care to take a look inside and enlighten us? If we can find a datasheet for the chip, the input switching voltage, and therefore, the input noise margin, should be easy to determine.
Bob
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03-18-2008, 08:24 PM
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Emcotec will work also. This was taken off there website.
"The new 2.4GHz Futaba receivers are powered internally with a lower supply voltage of approx. 2.7 volts. Therefore the level of the servo signals is also considerably lower than in "normal" receivers. There are discussions floating in the internet concerning incompatibilities with battery switches and current-distributors. EMCOTEC DPSI RV Systems (as well as DPSI TWIN systems) are not concerned and can be utilized with no reservations! Due to by default conducted FMEA at EMCOTEC, these kind of incompatibilities are eliminated during development in the first place. Only the first generation DPSI 2001 from the year 2001 (recognized by serial number stickers containing "Sebastiano Silvestri Edition") can not be used with this Futaba receiver. Of course, we modify your old DPSI 2001 at factory costs on customers demand. "
"The new 2.4GHz Futaba receivers are powered internally with a lower supply voltage of approx. 2.7 volts. Therefore the level of the servo signals is also considerably lower than in "normal" receivers. There are discussions floating in the internet concerning incompatibilities with battery switches and current-distributors. EMCOTEC DPSI RV Systems (as well as DPSI TWIN systems) are not concerned and can be utilized with no reservations! Due to by default conducted FMEA at EMCOTEC, these kind of incompatibilities are eliminated during development in the first place. Only the first generation DPSI 2001 from the year 2001 (recognized by serial number stickers containing "Sebastiano Silvestri Edition") can not be used with this Futaba receiver. Of course, we modify your old DPSI 2001 at factory costs on customers demand. "
03-18-2008, 08:52 PM
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RE: Futaba 6014 Rx and Hitec 5955 servos - a possible solution
ORIGINAL: i3dm
Hello guys,
Many people are having problems operating Hitec 5955 servos on the new FASST 6014 Rx by Futaba, since the 6014 Rx is the first Rx that has a signal voltage of 2.6V (up to date all were over 3V).
I just went off the phone with Emmerich, the owner of PB systems, consulting him about an electrical system for my Eurosport and Cermark F-16 and he gave me some very useful information.
1. To be able to use a single device (servo, electronic valve, ECU etc) on the 6014 Rx (if it doesnt work) one can simply use a PB signal amplifier and it will increase the signal voltage which will make it work:
http://www.powerbox-systems.com/e/we...rker/start.php
2. ALL current PB systems have signal amplifiers and will work with Futaba 6014 and 5955 servos etc. some older model PB's will not work, but they are upgradeable at no charge by sending them to PB systems - thats great service !!
So, for those of you (like me) that like the 5955 or bought a bunch to use on your jets - this is in fact a pretty good solution !!
it can also be used for rhose of you who are having trouble operating electronic valves and such on the new 6014 Rx.
Hope you find this information useful.
Hello guys,
Many people are having problems operating Hitec 5955 servos on the new FASST 6014 Rx by Futaba, since the 6014 Rx is the first Rx that has a signal voltage of 2.6V (up to date all were over 3V).
I just went off the phone with Emmerich, the owner of PB systems, consulting him about an electrical system for my Eurosport and Cermark F-16 and he gave me some very useful information.
1. To be able to use a single device (servo, electronic valve, ECU etc) on the 6014 Rx (if it doesnt work) one can simply use a PB signal amplifier and it will increase the signal voltage which will make it work:
http://www.powerbox-systems.com/e/we...rker/start.php
2. ALL current PB systems have signal amplifiers and will work with Futaba 6014 and 5955 servos etc. some older model PB's will not work, but they are upgradeable at no charge by sending them to PB systems - thats great service !!
So, for those of you (like me) that like the 5955 or bought a bunch to use on your jets - this is in fact a pretty good solution !!
it can also be used for rhose of you who are having trouble operating electronic valves and such on the new 6014 Rx.
Hope you find this information useful.
FUTABA will have you $pending your cash really F*****T now! [&:]
powerboxes amplifiers the list goes on??? more cost = more weight [:@]
I will stick to my PCM Rx on 72 mhz. [sm=49_49.gif]
At least you do have a way around the hightech roadblocks.
03-19-2008, 02:12 PM
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RE: Futaba 6014 Rx and Hitec 5955 servos - a possible solution
ElectroDynamics makes a similar product....looks the same, costs half. Anyone tried it?
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03-19-2008, 07:35 PM
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ORIGINAL: quist
Does it work with the Futaba 6014? Someone tried the JR amplified lead and it didn't work.
ORIGINAL: i3dm
Just a note - the PB aplifier weight 1.5 grams, here is a picture.
Just a note - the PB aplifier weight 1.5 grams, here is a picture.
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ORIGINAL: i3dm
Hello guys,
Many people are having problems operating Hitec 5955 servos on the new FASST 6014 Rx by Futaba, since the 6014 Rx is the first Rx that has a signal voltage of 2.6V (up to date all were over 3V).
I just went off the phone with Emmerich, the owner of PB systems, consulting him about an electrical system for my Eurosport and Cermark F-16 and he gave me some very useful information.
1. To be able to use a single device (servo, electronic valve, ECU etc) on the 6014 Rx (if it doesnt work) one can simply use a PB signal amplifier and it will increase the signal voltage which will make it work:
http://www.powerbox-systems.com/e/we...rker/start.php
2. ALL current PB systems have signal amplifiers and will work with Futaba 6014 and 5955 servos etc. some older model PB's will not work, but they are upgradeable at no charge by sending them to PB systems - thats great service !!
So, for those of you (like me) that like the 5955 or bought a bunch to use on your jets - this is in fact a pretty good solution !!
it can also be used for rhose of you who are having trouble operating electronic valves and such on the new 6014 Rx.
Hope you find this information useful.
Hello guys,
Many people are having problems operating Hitec 5955 servos on the new FASST 6014 Rx by Futaba, since the 6014 Rx is the first Rx that has a signal voltage of 2.6V (up to date all were over 3V).
I just went off the phone with Emmerich, the owner of PB systems, consulting him about an electrical system for my Eurosport and Cermark F-16 and he gave me some very useful information.
1. To be able to use a single device (servo, electronic valve, ECU etc) on the 6014 Rx (if it doesnt work) one can simply use a PB signal amplifier and it will increase the signal voltage which will make it work:
http://www.powerbox-systems.com/e/we...rker/start.php
2. ALL current PB systems have signal amplifiers and will work with Futaba 6014 and 5955 servos etc. some older model PB's will not work, but they are upgradeable at no charge by sending them to PB systems - thats great service !!
So, for those of you (like me) that like the 5955 or bought a bunch to use on your jets - this is in fact a pretty good solution !!
it can also be used for rhose of you who are having trouble operating electronic valves and such on the new 6014 Rx.
Hope you find this information useful.
Anyone reading this thread please do some testing plug in several Hitec / Futaba / JR Digitals on extra long leads with simple non-amplified Y connectors running @ 4.8 volts, let us all know how many servos it takes before they quit working..get slow... get jerky... get whatever?? Remember to do valid testing we must test other type receivers as well as other type servos...first off do not use power boxes... then use your power boxes and let us know if they might be the problem!! Maybe we can cut through the crap...and see exactly what is happening.
I'm going to get some simple Y-connectors and add them on the end of the 7 foot leads to see how many servos can be driven from one channel... my guess is four will work fine. All of my Y-connectors are in use so it will be a few days before I can report what happens. I'll do these tests using a 4.8 volt receiver pack.... not a 6.0 volt pack.. which is what I like to fly with.
Could it be your Power box systems are the source of problem?? I have never needed to use a power box per-say..don't own one.... the closest thing I've needed to use was a JR Match box on my BobCat elevators. The matchbox is going away... as soon as I can install one of my new 2.4 Futaba 6014FS receivers in my BobCat.... no need to split channels with the 12 + two my 14MZ offers.
Lee H. DeMary
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03-20-2008, 06:50 AM
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ORIGINAL: quist
$30 per channel is going to get expensive on a 14 channel receiver.
ORIGINAL: hmjets
19 euros plus shiping!!
19 euros plus shiping!!
This is hardly a solution for 14 servos, if you want to use all 14 other better solutions are available.
03-20-2008, 07:50 AM
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ORIGINAL: Silver182
OK I've had enough of this....Color me skeptical.....you guys say your Hitec HS-5955's are having problems when plugged into the New Futaba 2.4 R6014FS receivers?? Well... I've got test leads 7 foot in length going direct to HS-5945MG servos with no problems at all. I don't have any of the HS-5955's but there can't be that much difference.. between the HS-5945 and HS-5955's. Define exactly what problems you observe.. with exactly how long leads.. what receiver input voltage...what kind of Y-connectors...etc., etc.!!!
Anyone reading this thread please do some testing plug in several Hitec / Futaba / JR Digitals on extra long leads with simple non-amplified Y connectors running @ 4.8 volts, let us all know how many servos it takes before they quit working..get slow... get jerky... get whatever?? Remember to do valid testing we must test other type receivers as well as other type servos...first off do not use power boxes... then use your power boxes and let us know if they might be the problem!! Maybe we can cut through the crap...and see exactly what is happening.
I'm going to get some simple Y-connectors and add them on the end of the 7 foot leads to see how many servos can be driven from one channel... my guess is four will work fine. All of my Y-connectors are in use so it will be a few days before I can report what happens. I'll do these tests using a 4.8 volt receiver pack.... not a 6.0 volt pack.. which is what I like to fly with.
Could it be your Power box systems are the source of problem?? I have never needed to use a power box per-say..don't own one.... the closest thing I've needed to use was a JR Match box on my BobCat elevators. The matchbox is going away... as soon as I can install one of my new 2.4 Futaba 6014FS receivers in my BobCat.... no need to split channels with the 12 + two my 14MZ offers.
Lee H. DeMary
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ORIGINAL: i3dm
Hello guys,
Many people are having problems operating Hitec 5955 servos on the new FASST 6014 Rx by Futaba, since the 6014 Rx is the first Rx that has a signal voltage of 2.6V (up to date all were over 3V).
I just went off the phone with Emmerich, the owner of PB systems, consulting him about an electrical system for my Eurosport and Cermark F-16 and he gave me some very useful information.
1. To be able to use a single device (servo, electronic valve, ECU etc) on the 6014 Rx (if it doesnt work) one can simply use a PB signal amplifier and it will increase the signal voltage which will make it work:
http://www.powerbox-systems.com/e/we...rker/start.php
2. ALL current PB systems have signal amplifiers and will work with Futaba 6014 and 5955 servos etc. some older model PB's will not work, but they are upgradeable at no charge by sending them to PB systems - thats great service !!
So, for those of you (like me) that like the 5955 or bought a bunch to use on your jets - this is in fact a pretty good solution !!
it can also be used for rhose of you who are having trouble operating electronic valves and such on the new 6014 Rx.
Hope you find this information useful.
Hello guys,
Many people are having problems operating Hitec 5955 servos on the new FASST 6014 Rx by Futaba, since the 6014 Rx is the first Rx that has a signal voltage of 2.6V (up to date all were over 3V).
I just went off the phone with Emmerich, the owner of PB systems, consulting him about an electrical system for my Eurosport and Cermark F-16 and he gave me some very useful information.
1. To be able to use a single device (servo, electronic valve, ECU etc) on the 6014 Rx (if it doesnt work) one can simply use a PB signal amplifier and it will increase the signal voltage which will make it work:
http://www.powerbox-systems.com/e/we...rker/start.php
2. ALL current PB systems have signal amplifiers and will work with Futaba 6014 and 5955 servos etc. some older model PB's will not work, but they are upgradeable at no charge by sending them to PB systems - thats great service !!
So, for those of you (like me) that like the 5955 or bought a bunch to use on your jets - this is in fact a pretty good solution !!
it can also be used for rhose of you who are having trouble operating electronic valves and such on the new 6014 Rx.
Hope you find this information useful.
Anyone reading this thread please do some testing plug in several Hitec / Futaba / JR Digitals on extra long leads with simple non-amplified Y connectors running @ 4.8 volts, let us all know how many servos it takes before they quit working..get slow... get jerky... get whatever?? Remember to do valid testing we must test other type receivers as well as other type servos...first off do not use power boxes... then use your power boxes and let us know if they might be the problem!! Maybe we can cut through the crap...and see exactly what is happening.
I'm going to get some simple Y-connectors and add them on the end of the 7 foot leads to see how many servos can be driven from one channel... my guess is four will work fine. All of my Y-connectors are in use so it will be a few days before I can report what happens. I'll do these tests using a 4.8 volt receiver pack.... not a 6.0 volt pack.. which is what I like to fly with.
Could it be your Power box systems are the source of problem?? I have never needed to use a power box per-say..don't own one.... the closest thing I've needed to use was a JR Match box on my BobCat elevators. The matchbox is going away... as soon as I can install one of my new 2.4 Futaba 6014FS receivers in my BobCat.... no need to split channels with the 12 + two my 14MZ offers.
Lee H. DeMary
AMA 36099
One point you make may be very valid. A system operating on 4.8 volts will have a lower window of operation than a 6 volt system(1/3 of 4.8 is less than 1/3 of 6.0). This means the lower area for the chip to see the "high" signal could potentially be lower and accept the signal from the Rx. Thes really depends on the style of chip used in the servo or whatever you are trying to operate.
03-20-2008, 10:25 AM
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ORIGINAL: i3dm
This is hardly a solution for 14 servos, if you want to use all 14 other better solutions are available.
ORIGINAL: quist
$30 per channel is going to get expensive on a 14 channel receiver.
ORIGINAL: hmjets
19 euros plus shiping!!
19 euros plus shiping!!
This is hardly a solution for 14 servos, if you want to use all 14 other better solutions are available.
I still dont understand the reason people are using this equipment with servos y'd together. Seems like a waste.
03-20-2008, 11:41 AM
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RE: Futaba 6014 Rx and Hitec 5955 servos - a possible solution
I got the following email from Andy Low about the Electrodynamics buffers:
I would be sure to actually verify from the manufacturer that the solution you intend to use is compatible with the 2.7V the FASST RX's put out. As we've seen, there seems to be some "variability" with what different folks have seen with the same servos on different setups and I wouldn't want to find out that I was on the "edge" of a noise margin while my aircraft is in the air. So far, Smart Fly, Powerbox (newer ones) and Electrodynamics have been verified by their manufacturers to be suitable for use with FASST...
Bob
Hi Bob
Yep, we have just the solution in our Buffer/Amplifiers. They were designed to "marry" incompatible RC systems, in addition to their line driver and RF suppression fucntions. The minimum input signal voltage is 1.0V for a full rail-to-rail output voltage.
We now make a special "universal" 12" Buffered Extension, EDC-4341, I'll have it up on the website and webstore by this afternoon!
Thanks!
Andy Low
ElectroDynamics, Inc.
Home of "No-Hassle" RC Electronics
http://www.electrodynam.com
Yep, we have just the solution in our Buffer/Amplifiers. They were designed to "marry" incompatible RC systems, in addition to their line driver and RF suppression fucntions. The minimum input signal voltage is 1.0V for a full rail-to-rail output voltage.
We now make a special "universal" 12" Buffered Extension, EDC-4341, I'll have it up on the website and webstore by this afternoon!
Thanks!
Andy Low
ElectroDynamics, Inc.
Home of "No-Hassle" RC Electronics
http://www.electrodynam.com
Bob
03-20-2008, 11:51 AM
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"One point you make may be very valid. A system operating on 4.8 volts will have a lower window of operation than a 6 volt system(1/3 of 4.8 is less than 1/3 of 6.0). This means the lower area for the chip to see the "high" signal could potentially be lower and accept the signal from the Rx. Thes really depends on the style of chip used in the servo or whatever you are trying to operate. "
Gary, what are you saying? That 6 volts is better than 4.8?
Gary, what are you saying? That 6 volts is better than 4.8?
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"One point you make may be very valid. A system operating on 4.8 volts will have a lower window of operation than a 6 volt system(1/3 of 4.8 is less than 1/3 of 6.0). This means the lower area for the chip to see the "high" signal could potentially be lower and accept the signal from the Rx. Thes really depends on the style of chip used in the servo or whatever you are trying to operate. "
Gary, what are you saying? That 6 volts is better than 4.8?
"One point you make may be very valid. A system operating on 4.8 volts will have a lower window of operation than a 6 volt system(1/3 of 4.8 is less than 1/3 of 6.0). This means the lower area for the chip to see the "high" signal could potentially be lower and accept the signal from the Rx. Thes really depends on the style of chip used in the servo or whatever you are trying to operate. "
Gary, what are you saying? That 6 volts is better than 4.8?
03-20-2008, 06:30 PM
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ORIGINAL: Gary Arthur
No. Just the opposite. A 4.8 system has a lower the supply voltage. On some chips, the SUPPLY voltage is what is cut into three segments, low, mid or dead area and high. so the lower the supply voltage is, the lower the voltage for the trigger will be for the chip to see a "high".
ORIGINAL: Woketman
"One point you make may be very valid. A system operating on 4.8 volts will have a lower window of operation than a 6 volt system(1/3 of 4.8 is less than 1/3 of 6.0). This means the lower area for the chip to see the "high" signal could potentially be lower and accept the signal from the Rx. Thes really depends on the style of chip used in the servo or whatever you are trying to operate. "
Gary, what are you saying? That 6 volts is better than 4.8?
"One point you make may be very valid. A system operating on 4.8 volts will have a lower window of operation than a 6 volt system(1/3 of 4.8 is less than 1/3 of 6.0). This means the lower area for the chip to see the "high" signal could potentially be lower and accept the signal from the Rx. Thes really depends on the style of chip used in the servo or whatever you are trying to operate. "
Gary, what are you saying? That 6 volts is better than 4.8?
Lee