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King Motors Baja Review with pictures - 3/19/2008 5:37:42 PM   
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Since I already had to delete a couple of posts here, may I remind everyone that there is an official thread for the discussion of whether or not clones are immoral/illegal. This is so that people can make their opinions heard without disrupting the thread of someone who is enjoying their clone, with constructive (or otherwise) criticism.

This thread must follow the same rules as all the others on RCU, no flaming, no off topic, blah blah. Here is a link to the clone discussion... http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_7069462/anchors_7069462/mpage_1/key_/anchor/tm.htm#7069462

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Well first off I would like to say I am impressed with this vehicle. It holds up like a charm. It is EXACTLY like the HPI Baja. I compared it to one and I can find only one difference. The only difference in these vehicles is the receiver box and how it is set up. The HPI receiver box how ever will fit like a charm. As you guys may have heard KM is coming out with a SS version of their buggy and a marder. Yes another marder clone.

Now details on the buggy. First thing I noticed when I took it out of the box is it does in fact have a real 23cc Fuelie engine in it. The baja in fact did start up on the second pull. I put it through break in. I have noticed that the tires do wear out VERY quickly on asphalt. Also another thing I noticed is the tires actually said Dirt Busters on it. To my belief that is the same as on a HPI. Last weekend I was jumping it.

I was still getting used to it so there were some VERY hard landings. From what I saw the parts held up better than I thought. Although I did do a test. I took a HPI baja A-Arm (brand New) and weighed it against a KM A-Arm (Brand New) and the KM actually weighed more. I do not remember what the exact difference was. Anyway I was jumping it about 3-4 feet in the air. Landing on dirt. My first jump I ended up flipping it about 3 times. Nothing broke as I did a complete look around on it. The second time how ever I landed on the right rear wheel. The top A-Arm the big screw that holds the A-Arm together (forgot what it is called) bent about 25 degrees. It did not effect anything on the vehicle. Well I got a lot more jumps in it. Well I was about to leave and decided to take it to the limit. I jumped it about I would say about 15 feet in the air. Landed, nothing broke at all. I was so surprised I was on the ground laughing. I did it once more got a little less of air and landed on the front A-Arm and broke it. THROUGH OUT THE WHOLE RUN NOT ONE SHOCK SHAFT BENT. I will have some updates and I will be sure to take a video on the next time I go out.

Conclusion: This vehicle has the same durability if not better than the HPI. If you have ANY questions on this vehicle or want some more pictures of something feel free to ask!

On the side note: On my way back from this bash I dropped the controller in the mud. Still works.






































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RE: King Motors Baja Review with pictures - 3/19/2008 5:43:29 PM   
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Status: online 		Encouraging stuff. Thanks for the info. Well done for taking a lot of photos too, although you can remove the blurred one (carb bulb shot).

I see some subtle differences in the shape of the plastic mouldings, but not the mounting locations, so it's all good. Do you own a 5b as well?

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RE: King Motors Baja Review with pictures - 3/19/2008 5:48:21 PM   
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Encouraging stuff. Thanks for the info. Well done for taking a lot of photos too, although you can remove the blurred one (carb bulb shot).

I see some subtle differences in the shape of the plastic mouldings, but not the mounting locations, so it's all good. Do you own a 5b as well?


I do not but my friend does own a 5B. Will get rid of the blured shot. "I see some subtle differences in the shape of the plastic mouldings" I did not notice this. Maybe that is why the A-Arms had a difference of weight?

Update: Added 5 more pictures at the end.

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RE: King Motors Baja Review with pictures - 3/19/2008 5:50:44 PM   
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RE: King Motors Baja Review with pictures - 3/19/2008 5:52:04 PM   
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Remind me how much you paid for it, delivered?


$545.00 Or you could get it for much less by doing regular shipping. That will take 30 days to receive though. Saves you $155.00 though.

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RE: King Motors Baja Review with pictures - 3/19/2008 6:01:49 PM   
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Status: online 		Since I already had to delete a couple of posts here, may I remind everyone that there is an official thread for the discussion of whether or not clones are immoral/illegal. This is so that people can make their opinions heard without disrupting the thread of someone who is enjoying their clone, with constructive (or otherwise) criticism.

This thread must follow the same rules as all the others on RCU, no flaming, no off topic, blah blah. Here is a link to the clone discussion... http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_7069462/anchors_7069462/mpage_1/key_/anchor/tm.htm#7069462

Thanks all.

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RE: King Motors Baja Review with pictures - 3/19/2008 9:40:19 PM   
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RE: King Motors Baja Review with pictures - 3/19/2008 10:02:40 PM   
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RE: King Motors Baja Review with pictures - 3/19/2008 10:03:24 PM   
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RE: King Motors Baja Review with pictures - 3/19/2008 10:37:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		Can you take some more pictures for us?I would like too see the spur/pinion gear without the cover on if possible? I could see buying a clone...

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RE: King Motors Baja Review with pictures - 3/19/2008 10:42:25 PM   
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Status: offline 		I have seen a couple of these clones in Denmark too, there are several weak parts on those. The batteri, the servos, the radio, these parts go directly in the trashbin..... the wheels are much more brittle (right word?) , they break real easy, i have seen two wheels where the centerpart broke, never seen that happen on the real Baja.
I know its cheaper than the original, but when you have to replace all those parts, then the RTR seems to be at better deal.

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RE: King Motors Baja Review with pictures - 3/19/2008 11:02:30 PM   
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I have seen a couple of these clones in Denmark too, there are several weak parts on those. The batteri, the servos, the radio, these parts go directly in the trashbin..... the wheels are much more brittle (right word?) , they break real easy, i have seen two wheels where the centerpart broke, never seen that happen on the real Baja.
I know its cheaper than the original, but when you have to replace all those parts, then the RTR seems to be at better deal.


The servos are not all that bad and the radio either. The wheels I don't know about but I have pretty much distoyed them and I haven't had a problem.


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Can you take some more pictures for us?I would like too see the spur/pinion gear without the cover on if possible? I could see buying a clone...



Maybe tomorrow I'm not feeling so good today.

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RE: King Motors Baja Review with pictures - 3/19/2008 11:27:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		The rear dirtbusters arn't exacty the same as the official HPI ones, obviously there's no HPI brand on them and the thickened rubber area for an exact fit with the HD rings is not there, these tyres are a copy of the weaker 1st generation dirtbusters (the ones that ripped real easy).

The other issue is the plastics, they weigh more because they are a different type of plastic, since HPI uses high impact nylon then chances are the cloners arn't using high impact nylon. Likey an ABS type, tamiya use alot of plastics that arn't UV resistant and basically overtime become brittle under sunlight (lets hope they've done their homework)

The plastic looks rounded and lacks definition because its mould was based on using an original HPI part, thats how copy moulds end up, sort of like a photo copy - good but lacks the clarity of the original.

I'd be intrested in a photo of the inside of the wheel, to see the webbing, HPI later re-enforced this area with extra webbing to reduce the wheel flex, would be good to see which version of the wheel the cloner copied.

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