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Look's like G-4 fizzeled - 3/25/2008 1:53:59 PM   
MormonMike


 

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Status: offline 		No real threads on it, Looks like it came and went. I guess people did'nt want to spend another $200 bucks to start another all over again after G-3.5 ? MM
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RE: Look's like G-4 fizzeled - 3/25/2008 5:33:55 PM   
wedgewing



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Status: offline 		Just not a lot of people complaining about it. I have it on a decent computer that is not Mac (My mac is in the other room) with a good lcd screen and it works really well.

I am not a fan boy, but do think it was a good upgrade, and if you have G3.5 they are going to give me $75 worth of merchandise credit to purchase at least two of the expansion packs. If you bought the G3.5 within the last few months they will give you $100. I am one of the few that bought some of the non-compatible expansion disks and I am not too upset. I have both systems on the computer, and have found that the helicopter experience has been better on the G4. never flew helis on the G3.5.

if you like 3.5, they are still supporting it which is good. still many good AC out on the knife Edge swap page for both systems too.

go to the LHS and play around with the G4, you might like it. I just use it to keep the rust off since nothing replaces flying for real

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RE: Look's like G-4 fizzeled - 3/25/2008 7:01:08 PM   
Dorsal


 

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Status: offline 		RealFlight wanted to turn their backs on their established customer base, and when they released V3.5 we were highly disappointed. The didn't offer any rebates at all for repeat business and their basic response to complaints about all the customized models becoming worthless with the latest release was "Aw, shut up - the graphics are better aren't they?" Needless to say, most previous / current users of G3 or G3.5 aren't wasting too much energy to convince anyone that G4 is worth the bother.

So, their sales of G4 has been limited to the response to their flashy ad campaign.

Fizzled, you say?

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RE: Look's like G-4 fizzeled - 3/25/2008 8:33:40 PM   
The Toolman


 

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Status: offline 		If ya just wanting to learn to fly, Clearview Sim is an excellent choice with pretty good graphics IMO. Besides it's only $40 an a truck load of planes an helis to download for free....



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RE: Look's like G-4 fizzeled - 3/25/2008 10:14:27 PM   
da Rock



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Status: offline 		Fizzled my butt.

I fly at 3 fields. Guys at every one of them have upgraded from 3/3.5 to 4 and every one I know got either $75 or $100 rebates. Guys at every one of them have bought G4 new because they didn't have anything. Guys at every one of them have bought G3 used from the guys who upgraded to G4 and had G3 to sell.

BTW, nobody I know had to spend $200 even before the $100 rebate. I got my G4 for $185, sold my G3 for $65 and got a $75 rebate. And don't know a soul who didn't either get a rebate or sell their G3 for good money after they got their G4.

I just got back from flying. It was a beautiful day. Good turnout too. One of the conversations in the pits were the models guys had downloaded from Knife Edge for G4. Yup, downloaded for G4. Original models. You might call them "scratch built". Turns out almost all of us had downloaded that big Mr. Mulligan. Kewl, to discover how many of your buddies have the same interests.

Another conversation was about flying off of water. It was triggered by the conversation about the float planes in G4.

Nah, lot's of people have G4 and are quite happy with it. And the guys with G3.5 are too. At least the active modelers I run into are plenty happy with what they've got.

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RE: Look's like G-4 fizzeled - 3/25/2008 11:35:29 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Dorsal

RealFlight wanted to turn their backs on their established customer base, and when they released V3.5 we were highly disappointed. The didn't offer any rebates at all for repeat business and their basic response to complaints about all the customized models becoming worthless with the latest release was "Aw, shut up - the graphics are better aren't they?" Needless to say, most previous / current users of G3 or G3.5 aren't wasting too much energy to convince anyone that G4 is worth the bother.

So, their sales of G4 has been limited to the response to their flashy ad campaign.

Fizzled, you say?



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RE: Look's like G-4 fizzeled - 3/26/2008 2:13:55 AM   
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Status: online 		I think G4 is an execellent RC Sim. I have only flown IRL a few times and they were all 8+ years ago. This winter I picked up G4 with no intentions of even getting back into the hobby since my first try didnt go well at all. After flying G4 for several hours a day for a couple months and having a blast I felt good enough about my skills to pick up some planes again. With no more then the sim training I decided to give my hobby lobby 3d foamy a try last night to see how I did and I also put a couple flights on it tonight. I know this isn't the best flying "trainer" but at 16 bucks for a replacement foam kit its hard to beat for repair cost. As soon as it was in the air it felt perfeclty natural and easy to fly. I was able to do lots of stunts and fly the plane around very well and make it do what I wanted it to do even in some pretty heavy wind (for a foamy). There were 2 times that it almost got away from me but one was hovering about 10' above ground and the other was trying harrior rolls at about the same. I managed to get it laned each time without damage also, not exactly easy since it doesnt have any landing gear and its pretty fragile Hopefully it will warm up a bit more and I can get the real trainor over to the local field for some supervised flights. I don't think I will need to spend more then a couple flights with an instructor before I can solo with the trainor due to the sim. I agree though they should have a better upgrade program/system.

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RE: Look's like G-4 fizzeled - 3/26/2008 3:50:54 PM   
johndou


 

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Status: offline 		I’m sure that the people who have bought RealFlight G4.0 are happy with it, it’s a decent sim. But, I don’t think it’s sales have surpassed those of some of the other popular sims, even with the largest ad campaign ever seen for an R/C product. Most of the popular R/C magazines have two page ads for G4.0 and have had them since it’s release almost six months ago.

Contrary to some claims that people are selling their G3.5 and moving up to G4.0 the facts don’t support that claim. There are actually more copies of G4.0 up for auction on eBay then for G3.5. Mostly because people have bought it and discovered that it’s not what they wanted ... or <?>

I’m sure there are pockets of supporters of G4.0 around this country. Some of the clubs will follow the peanut gallery and buy or support one particular sim, whereas others will think for themselves and buy and support what works for them. RealFlight’s ad campaigns will have a higher impact in some areas of this country then in others. In some of the more intelligent areas of this country it’s been shown that massive ad campaign’s, like the ones seen for G4.0 actually drive the more savy and intelligent consumers away.

From a standard business strategy a product must have a large profit margin to support such a large ad campaign. I think most people understand that and will not support that kind of consumer rip-off mentality.

Of course, since RealFlight doesn’t release their sales figures there’s no way of knowing for sure what sales for the product have been. But, by reading the forums to see what’s more popular, or looking on eBay to see what people are getting rid of you can get a pretty good picture. And both of those areas show that G4.0 has fizzled.

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RE: Look's like G-4 fizzeled - 3/26/2008 5:32:01 PM   
da Rock



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Status: offline 		Fizzled? Interesting topic to start with......

Guessing how many people worldwide bought something by how much activity you see in a couple of forums on the internet is not exactly "facts". If you know numbers, post 'em while you can.

The advertisements for G4 have continued to appear because they've continued to create new products in the line. It's customary to advertise new products and it's customary to advertise when sales are good or bad, if you've got the money from new sales to spend, that is. When sales are good, it's worthwhile to make sales better. And when sales are good, it's worthwhile to create additional products with some of the recent profits. It's a good bet the new products will sell also, and the money to produce them is readily available.

It's also common to see the volume of new products being sold off on ebay to have a direct relationship with the volume of original sales. So it's just as easy to interpret the greater volume of G4 sales to mean there were A LOT of them sold to begin with. And you can interpret the continued offerings the same way. Truth is, interpretations are just guesses. Got any real facts?

"more intelligent areas of the country"...... say what????

Anybody got any actual facts? Post 'em soon, because this thread won't be around long unless it sees some posts with real facts in them. Think about something that will actually benefit passing readers. For example, do you actually see anything of benefit in any of the posts in this thread?

This topic started off with a negative direction from the subject line. RCU has a policy that is generally against slamming. This thread started out with little or no hope to be otherwise. And it's about to fizzle itself. Because the way it's going it'll soon be just a spitting match.

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RE: Look's like G-4 fizzeled - 3/26/2008 5:52:16 PM   
Bernowt


 

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Status: offline 		I owned G3.5 and G4. I sent off all my receipts and UPC labels to GP. A month later I got a letter saying BOTH software serial numers did not match my information. I figured it was too good to be true from the start. They didn't have the decency to at least return my receipts which also included a Futaba 9C, Saito 125 and other items.

I know attempting to resolve the issue with GP would be futile (they're always right, the customer is a schmuck) so I sold both software packages here on RCU and made about 75% of my money back. I bought Phoenix and never looked back. It's nice having an actual SIMULATOR instead of a PC game.

Now I just have to hope I never need warranty service on my 9C or Saito 125

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RE: Look's like G-4 fizzeled - 3/26/2008 6:29:00 PM   
johndou


 

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ORIGINAL: da Rock

Fizzled? Interesting topic to start with......

Guessing how many people worldwide bought something by how much activity you see in a couple of forums on the internet is not exactly "facts". If you know numbers, post 'em while you can.

The advertisements for G4 have continued to appear because they've continued to create new products in the line. It's customary to advertise new products and it's customary to advertise when sales are good or bad, if you've got the money from new sales to spend, that is. When sales are good, it's worthwhile to make sales better. And when sales are good, it's worthwhile to create additional products with some of the recent profits. It's a good bet the new products will sell also, and the money to produce them is readily available.


And what new products are those? RealFlight hasn't released any "new" products for G4 since it's release. <?>

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ORIGINAL: da Rock


It's also common to see the volume of new products being sold off on ebay to have a direct relationship with the volume of original sales. So it's just as easy to interpret the greater volume of G4 sales to mean there were A LOT of them sold to begin with. And you can interpret the continued offerings the same way. Truth is, interpretations are just guesses. Got any real facts?

"more intelligent areas of the country"...... say what????

Anybody got any actual facts? Post 'em soon, because this thread won't be around long unless it sees some posts with real facts in them. Think about something that will actually benefit passing readers. For example, do you actually see anything of benefit in any of the posts in this thread?



I have posted facts. The fact is that most people responding to "What's the best sim?" type of posts on several of the R/C forums show that RF G4.0 is no longer being recommended at the rate that G3.5 was. That's fact!

It's also a fact that there are more copies of G4.0 being placed up for auction on places like ebay then copies of G3.5. Indicating that people are not, as has been indicated, selling G3.5 and buying G4.0. That's fact! You can interpret that any way you'd like, and I'll interpret it the way I'd like.

I did not say, indicate or imply that people generally use this information to make a decision to buy the product. I was giving what you asked for - facts - to support the comment that G4.0 is or has fizzled.

Massive sales campaigns can also be interpreted differently. Given the fact that an R/C simulator is a rather specialized product, and that it is being marketed in such an aggresive manner, indicates that sales may be a bit sluggish. That's my interpretation. With that interpretation why would I, or anyone else for that matter, feel a need to slam the product - I haven't seen any "slamming" and don't expect to...


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ORIGINAL: da Rock

This topic started off with a negative direction from the subject line. RCU has a policy that is generally against slamming. This thread started out with little or no hope to be otherwise. And it's about to fizzle itself. Because the way it's going it'll soon be just a spitting match.


This post started out showing a trend. It did not and has not done any slamming. Others have posted stating their support for G4, yet have not shown any trends to indicate an opposing position of the original poster.

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RE: Look's like G-4 fizzeled - 3/26/2008 6:32:53 PM   
da Rock



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ORIGINAL: Bernowt

I owned G3.5 and G4. I sent off all my receipts and UPC labels to GP. A month later I got a letter saying BOTH software serial numers did not match my information. I figured it was too good to be true from the start. They didn't have the decency to at least return my receipts which also included a Futaba 9C, Saito 125 and other items.

I know attempting to resolve the issue with GP would be futile (they're always right, the customer is a schmuck) so I sold both software packages here on RCU and made about 75% of my money back. I bought Phoenix and never looked back. It's nice having an actual SIMULATOR instead of a PC game.

Now I just have to hope I never need warranty service on my 9C or Saito 125



That isn't how it worked for my rebate request.

They returned mine with everything I had mailed them. They rejected it because the G3 numbers were no longer registered to me. I had un-registered G3 so that the guy I sold it to could upgrade it. I sent the rebate back with a letter stating that information and received my $75 rebate soon after.

It is interesting that a company would treat the same situation so very differently.


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RE: Look's like G-4 fizzeled - 3/26/2008 6:49:51 PM   
da Rock



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Status: offline 		I just happened to notice that GP has added a new requirement to receive a rebate for G4. They now require that you are the registered owner of G3/3.5 and G4 when you request the rebate.

So if you plan to get the rebate when you move from G3/3.5 to G4, understand that you'll need to leave the registration intack until you've gotten the rebate.

Now that is an annoyance.

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RE: Look's like G-4 fizzeled - 3/26/2008 6:58:08 PM