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RE: One FLY can Ruin a great PIE ! - 3/28/2008 9:32:51 PM   
mscic-RCU



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Status: offline 		I for one like being a webcrawler and a bottom feeder. I guess I could take my almost 30 years of RC experience and go home, or I can remain a webcrawler and continue to help those that visit here and ask for help. Am I right all the time, well in my mind yes, but no. But let the person reading the forum make up their own mind. To make ludicrous statements that JR, Horizon, Futaba and others will no longer be involved in the hobby is just ignorant. With the exception of Futaba, they are the hobby, that is their business. Go to JR's website and read Horizon's misssion statement. The hobby is their business. Why the AMA would let this article get published is beyond me. I know why, they are the only game in town and they know it! They ran their competition out of business a few years ago, HMM, divide and conquer, starting to make sense to me!

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RE: One FLY can Ruin a great PIE ! - 3/28/2008 10:37:13 PM   
Live Wire


 

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How many people actually payed any attention to this artical before you posted this Go back and reread the artcal and this thread and see where it has gone. Not good for AMA or the use of the net.

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RE: One FLY can Ruin a great PIE ! - 3/28/2008 10:57:01 PM   
804


 

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Status: offline 		Well, I for one think Hahn speaks the truth, for the most part. I have a hard time believing no one has seen the type of thing he's talking about. Most of us can figure this hobby out and be successful. Others can figure out how to screw up an anvil. They buy a product, abuse it, mis-use it, break it, hurt themselves or someone else, then go on-line and blame everyone else but themselves. I've known a few like this. And usually it carrys over into every aspect of their lives. The most common thing you'll hear from them is "it's not my fault, it just...", you fill in the blank. These people are easy enough to avoid in day to day life, but on-line, you don't know if they are competent, or just perpetual whiners.
Having read the column three times, I noticed NOT ONE reference to people griping about the AMA, or about those who post to truly help out in build threads. He's talking about product bashers. And if anyone would know how that affects the thinking of the hobby products manufacturers, Hahn would.
To those so offended by his words, you should re-read the column and ask yourself, "does the shoe fit?" If not, he's not talking about you.

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RE: One FLY can Ruin a great PIE ! - 3/28/2008 11:28:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		Product basher?
What if the product being sold is PPP?
What if the product being sold is MA Magazine?

No, the article didnt specify products other than Futaba Horizon etc.
But the article was kind enough to use broad descriptors of the folks he considered Bottomfeeders
... and we are they.
We dont sit back quietly & let the train wreck because it would hurt the engineers feelings if we spread doom & gloom about his train being on fire. We say Hey, Stop the train cause it is faulty.

Speaking of Faulty,
just how many bad product reviews has MA put forth so far this year? How about ones that are even just a little less that in awe of the product? A technical inspection should not be afraid to say "No, that isnt going to meet spec" just to be polite.

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RE: One FLY can Ruin a great PIE ! - 3/29/2008 12:04:23 AM   
Stickbuilder



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ORIGINAL: KidEpoxy

Product basher?
What if the product being sold is PPP?
What if the product being sold is MA Magazine?

No, the article didnt specify products other than Futaba Horizon etc.
But the article was kind enough to use broad descriptors of the folks he considered Bottomfeeders
... and we are they.
We dont sit back quietly & let the train wreck because it would hurt the engineers feelings if we spread doom & gloom about his train being on fire. We say Hey, Stop the train cause it is faulty.

Speaking of Faulty,
just how many bad product reviews has MA put forth so far this year? How about ones that are even just a little less that in awe of the product? A technical inspection should not be afraid to say "No, that isnt going to meet spec" just to be polite.

One thing that you have to remember concerning Mr. Hahn. One of his major sponsors just happens to be Futaba. In fact he wears the Official Futaba orange and black shirt in competition events. He is not alone in this, but the fact remains.....


And by the way.....To set the record straight, JR does not and has not had the problems with their 2.4 ghz systems as has Futaba. To be quite honest, as long as they continue to sell to the hobbyist, neither Futaba nor JR is likely to stop making and selling hobby related radio systems. Who is he trying to kid?

Bill, AMA 4720

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RE: One FLY can Ruin a great PIE ! - 3/29/2008 12:18:06 AM   
I_Fly_Coolers


 

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Status: offline 		Just got my magazine and read the article on BOTTOM FEEDERS and am DISGUSTED with it. And I DON"T think we have to worry about Futaba or JR or whoever "getting out of the business" That is ridiculous.

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RE: One FLY can Ruin a great PIE ! - 3/29/2008 12:22:07 AM   
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ORIGINAL: STLPilot
I think he hit is spot on! Great job Mr. Cherry!


A comment by an individual that missed the point completely. This has nothing to do with whether a person is pro AMA or anti AMA, agrees or disagrees with the sentiment.

For example, would the editor of Time Magazine write or endorse a column calling subscribers "Bottom Feeders" who participated in potentially negative debate of Time Magazine in a public forum? Of course not, if he did he'd be looking for a new job.

Would a politician at any level of government, local to Federal level, make public statements that constituents disagreeing with his/her positions are "Bottom Feeders?" Of course not - this would violate all rules of common sense and the politician would have a difficult time in the electoral process. I've seen local city council members operating at kindergarten level having infinitely more common sense than whatever led to the column in question being published.

What the AMA did by publishing that column was the most blatant example of outright public stupidity I've seen in a long time. Argue about it pro/con all you want and the results will always be the same. It was a regrettable decision to publish, there was absolutely nothing to be gained. Nothing. And it only proves how out of touch with common sense this group of AMA officers and staff really is.

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RE: One FLY can Ruin a great PIE ! - 3/29/2008 12:28:21 AM   
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RE: One FLY can Ruin a great PIE ! - 3/29/2008 12:33:21 AM   
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Status: offline 		I'd suggest we all send'em an email with our opinion of the article an the bonehead writer of it. I know I dang sure will,PLUS ask'em why they didn't bother to mention the Brown Nose'rs in their column also.
What are they gonna do, kick me out....haha. I actually don't need'em anyway where we are at. My house ins covers me just fine.


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RE: One FLY can Ruin a great PIE ! - 3/29/2008 12:46:53 AM   
Jim Thomerson



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RE: One FLY can Ruin a great PIE ! - 3/29/2008 12:53:41 AM   
The Toolman


 

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Another example of a person who needs some training in expository writing.




Do you mean suppository writing????


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RE: One FLY can Ruin a great PIE ! - 3/29/2008 1:06:15 AM   
Acs_guitars



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ORIGINAL: P-51B

I have just chartered the Bottom Feeder's Brotherhood.

Although this may be a temporary organization, please feel free to join.



I think I'd rather be #1 in the Web Crawlers Association (WCA).... Feel free to sign up, membership is free and only requires posting in RC forums on the net.

As I have said, he makes some valid points, but he did so in a gross generalization that projects to all modellers in all forums on the net. I don't participate in the conversations that he speaks of, but he did not exclude anyone from the "Web Crawlers and Bottom feeders".

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RE: One FLY can Ruin a great PIE ! - 3/29/2008 1:51:05 AM   
I_Fly_Coolers


 

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Status: offline 		Just a poorly written piece of trash that has no place AT ALL in ANY magazine. How could AMA let this be published? The article itself was COMPLETELY NEGATIVE !!! (yes I'm yelling)

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RE: One FLY can Ruin a great PIE ! - 3/29/2008 2:03:30 AM   
KidEpoxy