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RE: One FLY can Ruin a great PIE ! - 3/31/2008 5:05:03 AM   
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Well it seems that some of the posting here on the web has hit some nerves in
Champaign and also in Muncie, but it is the web that gives the common guy a
voice and without the web a lot of good info would never be heard.

Are there people that proberly should not post on the web? Of course just like
there are editors and tv commentators that should not be saying what they do.

I do think most of the info we get on these forums is good and does help but
we do have a few on the forums that like to spin things there way and a few
that like to beat dead horses.

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RE: One FLY can Ruin a great PIE ! - 3/31/2008 6:47:48 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: vicman

Strange,
I don't recall where in the article he said all posters in internet forums were bottom feeders.


I don't see where he exempted anyone.

quote:


I will say I think he identified a portion of the population correctly.


As strong conservative, never asking anyone for anything, except for a few nominations and votes to AMA EC office, I have some choice words for a large portion of the population, however I cannot say them here or in the AMA magazine.
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Here are some qualifiers that I think go along with his intent.
1. If you start a thread with the intent of stirring the emotions of others without asking the author's true intent from the author himself, privately...bottom feeder.
2. If you don't own the equipment that a question is about but are quite willing to condem it...bottom feeder.
3 If you don't have a "dog in the fight" on a particular subject but enjoy stirring the pot...bottom feeder.


I started this thread to bring attention and to point to what I think is a ludicrous insult from a paid employee. Here I will repeat some info from another posting.

Mr. vicman, I strongly suspect I have a bigger dog in this fight than any 100 other members. My $$$ losses just to advance model aviation would have been plenty to fix me up to race, at least in the T-6 cllass, at Reno for several years. Wheteher you like it or not I will speak my piece.

The subject article WAS an editorial in the IRS/IRC defined non-related business Model Aviation magazine published and wholly owned by an IRS/IRC 501 (c) (3) educational organization named the "Academy of Model Aeronautics". It is NOT a private magazine, but a public item since all members and taxpayers support its existence.

I happen to be a member of that organization since the late '40s. I am currently a Life Member. I have served as a Contest Director since 1963 and as a Leader Member since 1964. I have served as a Contest Coordinator and as a District Vice President.
All that time provides me a BIG DOG in any AMA fight.

If you (anyone) are a dues-paying AMA member, you fully financially support that magazine along with the organization. Advertising in MA undercuts the other model aviation media (thus negating their support of AMA) and the advertising income only pays for the ad pages themselves. Actually the magazine could come to you without any advertising, with no additional cost to AMA/membership. This is fully supported in the annual independent Audit Reports which are in the AMA Web's Members Only section.

Therefore, since my donations (I donate each year as I am a Life member) to AMA, over twice the annual dues $$, have been directed to support this rubbish editorial content, I find it a direct attack on my support to have a salaried high position individual (The new AMA Technical Director) to make such a confrontational assault on the members of the organization that pay his salary and benefits.
I have no concern for any Futaba / JR stuff or any previous items there. If Futaba and JR leave, Airtronics and HiTech will be there to take up the slack.

While I did not post the link to the AMA Web site, I do thank RCKen for doing so. The link needed posting so that all model aviation persons might see just how this organization displays its true feeling for its members.

AMA employees dirtied this laundry. Let them wash it.

Now I have sent links to this thread and a thread in anouther 'group' to AMA officers and staff. So far no replys.

And for Crash 99. Going off topic here but a GOOD thing is OK now and then. My thread, so Topic Break ok this one time, please RCKEN, pretty please?

I have not wasted all my time on the computer. This past week I spent 3 days on the flying field turning it into a pristene flying site and a number of others also participated in that job.
Friday afternoon I did all the safety markings, set up tie-down Big Bird starting stations, assured all the paperwork in place, and everything ready if the wind should quit and the forecast rain would not happen.

Guess what! The wind died down by Sat. AM and the day was beautiful. THANK YOU SIR!

Saturday, 03-29-08. I was Contest Director for the 12th Annual Anniversary Celebration hosted by Jetero RC Club, Inc. We entertained 41 registered pilots, some 17 TAG participants, kids thru adults, and we fed 'um good! Yesterday I opened the gates at 6:30 AM, set up the free donuts, started two large (30 cup) pots of free coffee, rechecked all in order and at 8AM ready to start taking registration. Thanks to a number of club members volunteering to assist me, I just had to oversee the day.
I had a helicopter show, a show of large 3D fliers (you know -- those runway blockers ) hey, they laughed when I called them that name. Also a show of very big-birds formation by club member fliers, and we had a ball. So today I rested, and unloaded the truck and put airplanes away. Had to fix a couple minor things. Here I am.

Tomorrow I mow for me and wifey.

Hopefully, some apologies will be made and the proud AMA Membership will pick up and continue on the journry of having good recreation, and promoting our sport.

Time to move on to better things. The black hats know who they are and they have the guilt to cope with.

Thanks RCKen for your indulgence. I think I have said enough about this event.



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RE: One FLY can Ruin a great PIE ! - 3/31/2008 12:54:05 PM   
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ORIGINAL: crash99

Wow, While you all were playing on the computer you lost out on another day of flying. It was a great day here but keep typing away and show everyone how right he is. I feel bad that so many of you wasted another day. Toolman, By brother, Don't let them drag you down. See you at your event.

Crash99



Not me. I packed up the gear and headed to the field in the rain. About the time I got my P-51 together and ready to fly the skies broke clear and the wind layed down. I took it as a sign and flew the (*&# out of it. Blue sky and sunshine above me, dark receding clouds in the background, the Mustang looked and flew awesome. It was almost surreal. What a blast this hobby can be.

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RE: One FLY can Ruin a great PIE ! - 3/31/2008 2:24:05 PM   
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I thought he was talking about all the people who have more than half of their posts in the AMA Discussions threads.

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RE: One FLY can Ruin a great PIE ! - 3/31/2008 2:37:30 PM   
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What if...what if...what if...

When the shoe fits, it might be yours.
So I guess my criteria stands? Or does everybody get to keep whining about everything they didn't get to do or doesn't go the way they want and take offense at any statement made.

I find some more irony that a guy calls a spade a spade and the rest of the spade callers jump on him.

If you are a bottom feeder get over it. If you don't like being called one, change. If you aren't one why are you upset that someone has pointed out that they exist?



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RE: One FLY can Ruin a great PIE ! - 3/31/2008 3:17:30 PM   
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I started composing a long winded post showing my amazement at an organization that would allow and condone an employee to use its publication as a soap box and bash its membership and tell them to sit down, shut up and do not speak unless spoken to!

It is said that action speaks louder than words, well, unless an apology is given and action is taken for those responsible for this article making it into publication or I can find a way to participate in this hobby without being "FORCED" to join the AMA I guess I will have to take Greg's advice and go fishing instead.

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RE: One FLY can Ruin a great PIE ! - 3/31/2008 4:00:35 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: HighPlains

I thought he was talking about all the people who have more than half of their posts in the AMA Discussions threads.


Wrong!!! I hope your post is in jest since it is so far off of reality but here goes the truth either way.


He actually never mentioned AMA Discussions threads at all but did specifically refer to posts/threads that reference manufacturer’s products. Of course the self-righteous and high horsed will be above that (in mind) and will construe whatever he said against everyone that disagrees with their self…Like I said before, the harm of this particular article is that it will feed the self-righteous… the self-righteous are the true bottom feeders… that is the real irony.

Now…if you can stomach his words you are a bottom feeder!


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RE: One FLY can Ruin a great PIE ! - 3/31/2008 4:30:58 PM   
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With all this bottomfeeder talk,
I just realized that get applied to beer as well:
Lager yeasts are Bottomfeeders, proving yet again Ales superiority by floating.

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RE: One FLY can Ruin a great PIE ! - 3/31/2008 4:38:42 PM   
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Wow! Another epiphany…that is why the suckups suckup. Super sucking protection power. Yea baby.

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RE: One FLY can Ruin a great PIE ! - 3/31/2008 9:02:32 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: vicman


As a member of AMA and regular poster in an online forum, I've got a dog in the fight.





Based on this, I will retract my previous "capturing the irony" attempt and label it as me being incorrect in my reading of your intent.

(Of course, I will leavethe post there as it is evidence of my error...just don't tell my wife! ).

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RE: One FLY can Ruin a great PIE ! - 3/31/2008 10:17:21 PM   
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Quote from OVSSBOSS in another thread.
[Phil, from what I see, what Greg said is largely true. I do not know Greg, but from what is evident here everyday, the folks at AMA take a beating from places like this and most if not all the issues raised are being brought up with no real evidence or real first hand accounts of what happened or what the principals actually said or did.

Just the way I see it, I hope that Michael and Greg stand by their pistolas!

Marc ]

Can you please quote a particular case or give us a forinstance? It is my understanding that much of the info passed by this forum, esp. on the AMA, is usually very researched and verified my a number of sources, usually the AMA itself.

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RE: One FLY can Ruin a great PIE ! - 4/1/2008 12:53:59 AM   
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quote:

Lager yeasts are Bottomfeeders, proving yet again Ales superiority by floating


Now that's my kind of Bottomfeeder! Not to argue against ale's superiority. Truely a case where "it's all good"! Pseudofact #1122389.

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RE: One FLY can Ruin a great PIE ! - 4/1/2008 1:08:20 AM   
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Jug,
The one that comes to mind is the use fees structure (for equipment and such) that is being instituted for the International Aeromodeling Center. I would guess from what has been told to me in the last couple of years while at the Nats this had been long time coming. But of course here, most took it as the staff telling the VP's how to do business. From what I knew about this from the Nats organizational meetings and talking with Nats Managers, this was a long time developed structure and was held back at least once to make sure that it was right.

There you go,
Marc

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