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One FLY can Ruin a great PIE ! - 3/28/2008 7:58:34 AM   
Hossfly



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Status: offline 		You probably have your latest AMA Magazine, Model Aviation, by now. Have you located the FLY in what is a very informative issue?

Pres. Mathewson gives some refreshing info. Sounds Good, especially when he uses my old campaign terms such as, "...promote model aviation as an educational and recreational activity..." Sounds nice!
"In the Air" is far more informative than I remember. Sad to hear of an Icon such as Claude McCollough Flying West. Good write-up.
The Convention article tempts me to attend one. Good Show it seems.
Then there is the Leon Schulman B-26. Very cute from a true modeler.
Sure wish I could do airbrushing like some make look so easy. Nice article.

Have you filled out and sent in your GET INVOLVED form? Here is your chance.

The art of making Displays. Very informative. Plane talk and Focal Point--all good reading.
You can't beat Dean Pappas with his "If It Flies" column. That guy is just great and he is into each and every discipline, I do believe.
Now I am skipping some, but all are fine, just can't do this all night. Ol' Bob Aberle, another Icon, is fathoms over my head so I skip on.
Have to mention Stan Alexander, another scale hero to me. Matt Russell brings our attention to some changes in Pylon Racing and hints we should get interested. Very Good!
Glezellis certainly adds a new twist to the magazine with an interview with Don Anderson. Very enlightening.

Indoor FF should be an eye-opener for many new modelers that have never seen much outside foamies.
Then the CL and FF columns are neat. Hey, Thanks to Bob Angel for his relating modeling to art form and supplying all that old ignition info. I am about ready to bring out some of my stuff and play with it. Bob provided just all those details I have forgotten.
Then into the AMA stuff. You should read it over. Uh, Mr. Holland, IMO you could furnish some of the "How Goes It" at AMA for the year, rather than just the paid auditor's work. We can read that on the web when it comes in.

Edited to add: Even Mr. Cherry hits a double, maybe triple, with the checking for members with "....governmental and legislative horsepower." Good idea, and has been previously suggested not too many years ago.

Well, have you located the FLY yet?
Turn back to page 6 and read the relatively new Editor's column written this month by the NEW Technical Director. Now YOU WEB CRAWLERS and OTHER BOTTOM FEEDERS, I suppose you are now aware of just how you are thought of there in Muncie. Sit down, Shut up and do as you are directed by Muncie. Bottom Feeders!!!
To me that shatters a vision of one super Scale-RC-modeler, along with a very informative issue of the AMA's Model Aviation magazine. SAD! However, they do manage to let their true feelings slip out. YUCK!

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RE: One FLY can Ruin a great PIE ! - 3/28/2008 11:35:45 AM   
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Status: offline 		I'm appalled by the Model Aviation guest column written by AMA's technical director in the April 2008 issue. Name-calling, otherwise known as an ad hominem attack, should be avoided.

Wisdom of the officers and staff should have prevented this column from being printed. But in fact, the opposite is true. In this instance the editor's picture is seen, rather than the columnist, along with bold print underneath the editor's caption, "To Web crawlers and other bottom feeders..."

I've participated in many web R/C related forums and groups going back over ten years. In that time I've disagreed with the perspectives of many people. I can honestly say however, regardless of the extent of my personal disagreement, I would never classify a single person in any forum or group as a, "Bottom Feeder." As a matter of fact, some of these "Bottom Feeders" are no doubt business and community leaders, policeman, surgeons, public officials - all with more important roles in our country than a handful of people that find themselves making a living from a non-profit delivering insurance to people flying model airplanes.

Appalled? Yes. Surprised? No. I expect a few things from the AMA, wisdom is far down the list. I'd simply encourage the AMA officers and staff to do their best and move forward from an awkward moment.

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RE: One FLY can Ruin a great PIE ! - 3/28/2008 2:00:19 PM   
Stickbuilder



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I have just sent an e-mail to Jim Cherry, demanding an apology and a retraction. This is beyond belief. I have met Greg on several occasions, and expect to run into him at Top Gun next month. I can't believe that this happened.

Bill, AMA 4720

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RE: One FLY can Ruin a great PIE ! - 3/28/2008 2:28:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think he hit is spot on! Great job Mr. Cherry!

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RE: One FLY can Ruin a great PIE ! - 3/28/2008 2:55:55 PM   
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I can't believe the AMA would sanction that article. What will keep more people out of this hobby than anything is the attitude of " sit down, shut-up, take whatever we decide to give you, and like it."
As for Futaba, JR, Hobbico, Horizon, etc., they will get out of this business when they stop making money and not because it's a hassle.

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RE: One FLY can Ruin a great PIE ! - 3/28/2008 3:20:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		I can't wait to get my issue so I can read this "stirrer of hornets nest" scribbling!



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RE: One FLY can Ruin a great PIE ! - 3/28/2008 3:26:37 PM   
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ORIGINAL: P-51B

I can't wait to get my issue so I can read this "stirrer of hornets nest" scribbling!




I feel the same.... I've been away from home the past few days so I haven't seen the mail and I am now anxious to read what's getting these guys so fired up.

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RE: One FLY can Ruin a great PIE ! - 3/28/2008 3:30:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		I wish I could be outraged.. I have not received my April issue. hmm or March..

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RE: One FLY can Ruin a great PIE ! - 3/28/2008 3:38:21 PM   
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Status: offline 		I can tell you i read it and was appalled. I couldn't believe the audacity. This is the reason AMA will slide into the abyss of history. It haxs gotten away from it's first mission and now publicly attacks it's critics.

We might need to show J. Cherry the door and get Steve back.

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RE: One FLY can Ruin a great PIE ! - 3/28/2008 3:39:47 PM   
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For those that haven't received their copy of the latest Model Aviation yet, the column in question can be found online on the AMA's website.

http://www.modelaircraft.org/mag/APR08/michael.htm

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RE: One FLY can Ruin a great PIE ! - 3/28/2008 3:54:01 PM   
gboulton



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If we are ever going to grow this hobby, we need desperately to attract more young people and keep them interested and focused once they make the initial effort. It's up to experienced modelers to help promote success in newcomers—not drown them in negativity and gloom.


So, Greg. Could I have an example of "negativity and gloom" please?

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What began as a simple question posted by a newcomer, or service bulletin posted by a manufacturer, soon became the Stay Puft marshmallow man, complete with scarf and hat, towering over Gotham. Considering how the modeling Web took the recent manufacturing problems with both Spektrum and Futaba FASST spread spectrum systems and turned them into fairy tails of doom and gloom, I'm surprised anyone is still willing to commit a model to the air.


Ah. Ok, I see. So you're saying that we shouldn't just jump online and start throwing negative views and accusations around without some real concreate evidence to back up our statements, right?

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Much of what is written on the modeling Web definitely fits into the category of "pseudofact."


Got it. Well, then, to what use should we put this "tool that is the internet"?

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Next time you're on the Web and getting ready to jump in on a thread, stop and think about what you are doing; make sure you consider the bigger picture. Are you helping or hurting? Are you promoting or aggravating? Are you sure you know what you're talking about? Do you really have the facts? If you can't instantly answer all of those questions, then it's best to leave your 2¢ in your pocket.


Excellent advice, sir. Excellent advice.

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RE: One FLY can Ruin a great PIE ! - 3/28/2008 4:32:21 PM   
bdavison


 

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Status: offline 		OK, that annoys me too...
Where does he get off putting himself as editor/censor in charge of the internet.

Greg, let me explain something to you.

I have done build threads, taken hundreds of pictures, wait for them to upload, post information about the build, take flight videos, wait for them to upload, write articles, do reviews, and type up every little thing I can about how they fly.
One of my build threads on RCU alone has had over 138,624 people that have viewed and used it for their own experiences. It took me almost three months of posting to finish it. Ive gotten countless THOUSANDS of emails regarding that perticular thread, and still get them to this day. I also posted in that thread, a common problem with the product that could cause a crash....and how to fix it.

You know why I took MY time to do that. To help 138,624 people that needed help with that product.

Without the internet, that factual Futaba FASST service bullitin may not have reached the people that bought those factual defective items. How many AMA insurance claims did those threads prevent by getting people to ground aircraft that may have been affected. Im not denying that in some cases it was blown way out of proportion, but in general, word got out about the problem, and people started having them fixed.

And to be called a Web Crawler or Bottom Feeder for attempting to help the modeling community...well to be quite honest sir...you can kiss my big white ***


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RE: One FLY can Ruin a great PIE ! - 3/28/2008 4:34:39 PM   
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Status: offline 		I for one agree with the article and dread having to read through endless posts of negative dribble. The internet is a sordid and rancid place overall because people don't have to identify themselves even when they engage in disgusting, illegal or immoral behavior, not to mention rude and unconstructive behavior. I have enough trouble remaining a positive person with the way the world is today and have no time for those wishing to tear down and degrade an organization that I have been a member and supporter of for 50 years. Positive input is always welcome in my book but I don't want to hear rants about negativity for negativity's sake alone. I wish those people would just go away.

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RE: One FLY can Ruin a great PIE ! - 3/28/2008 4:36:13 PM