Giant Scale NitroModels P-40E 140 ARF Nitro Gas Radio Remote Control RC Warbird Airplane

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Basil Yousif -> Giant Scale NitroModels P-40E 140 ARF Nitro Gas Radio Remote Control RC Warbird Airplane (3/29/2008 11:58:34 PM)
When will this plane be available:Giant Scale NitroModels P-40E 140 ARF Nitro Gas Radio Remote Control RC Warbird Airplane. It's rarely not in sold out status. Also can it take a 2 stroke glow engine mounted sideways. I have a Evolution 1.00 Glow engine with a pitts muffler. Can this enngine work in the plane or is it only for a upside down mounted four stroke engine like a Saito 1.50. Can this plane take retracts or does it have hard wired gear. Also I had a question about the Zero 50cc plane. Can it take a Deasert Arcraft 50cc engine - gasoline 2 stroke.

opjose -> RE: Giant Scale NitroModels P-40E 140 ARF Nitro Gas Radio Remote Control RC Warbird Airplane (3/31/2008 5:03:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Basil Yousif When will this plane be available:Giant Scale NitroModels P-40E 140 ARF Nitro Gas Radio Remote Control RC Warbird Airplane. It's rarely not in sold out status. Also can it take a 2 stroke glow engine mounted sideways. I have a Evolution 1.00 Glow engine with a pitts muffler. Can this enngine work in the plane or is it only for a upside down mounted four stroke engine like a Saito 1.50. Can this plane take retracts or does it have hard wired gear. This is a BEAUTIFUL but somewhat heavy plane as it has an all fiberglass fuselage. The Evolution 1.00 NX will NOT be enough for it. The Saito 1.50 may be a bit too small for it. A 1.80 4C will be about right. Yes the engine mounts upside down ONLY. Yes the plane takes retracts.

Basil Yousif -> RE: Giant Scale NitroModels P-40E 140 ARF Nitro Gas Radio Remote Control RC Warbird Airplane (3/31/2008 10:31:06 PM)
1)When will Giant Scale NitroModels P-40E 140 ARF Nitro Gas Radio Remote Control RC Warbird Airplane be available. 2) Also I had a question about the Zero Ginat Scale 50cc - will a Desert Aircraft 50cc Gasoline engine fit in this plane. 3) Will the USB controller on your flight simulator work for other flight simulators like the older great planes simulator, my son just smashed the controller that came with that and they want alot for a replacment.

opjose -> RE: Giant Scale NitroModels P-40E 140 ARF Nitro Gas Radio Remote Control RC Warbird Airplane (3/31/2008 10:40:41 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Basil Yousif 2) Also I had a question about the Zero Ginat Scale 50cc - will a Desert Aircraft 50cc Gasoline engine fit in this plane. No that is too big of an engine. A 30CC gasser or in that range may do. quote: ORIGINAL: Basil Yousif 3) Will the USB controller on your flight simulator work for other flight simulators like the older great planes simulator, my son just smashed the controller that came with that and they want alot for a replacment. The USB controller appears to be a standard Windows Joystick to G2. If you can get G2 to work with a standard windows Joystick then it should work. It will NOT work with G3 or G4.

Basil Yousif -> RE: Giant Scale NitroModels P-40E 140 ARF Nitro Gas Radio Remote Control RC Warbird Airplane (3/31/2008 10:46:56 PM)
How about the Giant Scale NitroModels P-40E 140 ARF Nitro Gas Radio Remote Control RC Warbird Airplane will a 26cc gasser fit in that plane instead of the Saito 1.80. The Gasser engine I was looking at is 36 oz and puts out 2.3 BHP but the carb is off to the opposit side of the engine cylinder relative to the muffler, depends on how much room is in the cowel of this plane.

opjose -> RE: Giant Scale NitroModels P-40E 140 ARF Nitro Gas Radio Remote Control RC Warbird Airplane (3/31/2008 10:54:14 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Basil Yousif How about the Giant Scale NitroModels P-40E 140 ARF Nitro Gas Radio Remote Control RC Warbird Airplane will a 26cc gasser fit in that plane instead of the Saito 1.80. The Gasser engine I was looking at is 36 oz and puts out 2.3 BHP but the carb is off to the opposit side of the engine cylinder relative to the muffler, depends on how much room is in the cowel of this plane. You should be OK with that. The engine mount is part of the cowling, which is why you cannot go larger on the engine. Anything under 40cc should fit, but you are best off checking the engine dimensions ( particularlly the mount tab hole distance from each side ) and comparing them say against the Saito 1.80 which is known to fit.

LDM -> RE: Giant Scale NitroModels P-40E 140 ARF Nitro Gas Radio Remote Control RC Warbird Airplane (4/2/2008 3:28:13 AM)
1)the plane is the lightest p40 in its class , it will easily fly on 150 saito thru a 180 , 2)The front end would need a major bash to handle the gas engine 3)The fiberglass fuse is the lightest one in its class and will need reinforcement if you even think of gas 4)I have a saito 180 for mine but its full house interio , sierra retracts , scale spinner , pilot ect 5)theres a major long post on this plane by FLD under warbirds and another guy name Tause , great mods and tips listed , just check it out 6)While designed around the 150 4 stroke , similar CMPs in size and weight have flown on 125 size 4 strokes , while I dont suggest this small size at all , it just shows you howlight some of the CMPs 70" warbirds are when finished

opjose -> RE: Giant Scale NitroModels P-40E 140 ARF Nitro Gas Radio Remote Control RC Warbird Airplane (4/2/2008 3:35:53 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LDM 1)the plane is the lightest p40 in its class , it will easily fly on 150 saito thru a 180 , "In it's class" may not be understood by anyone used to all wood ARFs... hence the "it's a heavy plane"... The 150 flies it very scale like but leaves you wanting more power. The 180 is perfect IMHO. quote: ORIGINAL: LDM 3)The fiberglass fuse is the lightest one in its class and will need reinforcement if you even think of gas Good point, as will the engine mounting area, which will also need a major overhaul.

LDM -> RE: Giant Scale NitroModels P-40E 140 ARF Nitro Gas Radio Remote Control RC Warbird Airplane (4/2/2008 10:57:44 AM)
yes , for more clarity if you were to build a P40 --example the 64" Top Flight P40 , you will find the fuse of the 70" CMP P40 to be much lighter .While this is one of the best CMP planes to date as far as quality , the CMP type fiberglass is very light weight and will be subject to the "tin can "effect , defined as -if you pick it up in an area where there is no wood internal support , you will feel the fuse flex . I used "flite skin" inside the fuse to support the weaker areas just because I am not a fan of a 4 stroke 180 size plane that has flex in the structure of the fuse . I am buildind the CMP Fw190 at this time and doing the same thing to areas of the fuse that I can reach . I will be useing a G26ei , however this plane is very easy to mount the G26 due to the firewall install being straight up . Also the Fw190 has a history of needing major nose weight to achiev CG , so I figured to add weight in the engine size first . The CMP P40 has a solid wood ply rail running from the front end to the first and secend internal fuse supports , this can be seen on there website , converting to gas requires a cutting this area , adding a traditional vertical bulkhead with major 90 degree supports .Its been done by a guy in Aust and is posted in the lenghthy post on this plane If you choose the saito 180 , its alreday tapped for a fuel pump , and it installs upside down with no problems at all , very well worth the money . The G26EI will be my second gas engine , based on adding another battery to be charged when I need to fly for the EI , I am still in limbo of the benifits if gas engines vs a nice 4 stroke , savings in gas has never been a concern with me because I am a weekend flyer .

Basil Yousif -> RE: Giant Scale NitroModels P-40E 140 ARF Nitro Gas Radio Remote Control RC Warbird Airplane (4/4/2008 6:42:21 PM)
When I asked about the 50cc fitting the Zero Giant Scale model not the P-40 Giant scale model. Doesn't the Zero 50cc Ginat scale model take a DA50 if it's rated for a 50cc gasser.

opjose -> RE: Giant Scale NitroModels P-40E 140 ARF Nitro Gas Radio Remote Control RC Warbird Airplane (4/4/2008 7:00:46 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Basil Yousif When I asked about the 50cc fitting the Zero Giant Scale model not the P-40 Giant scale model. Doesn't the Zero 50cc Ginat scale model take a DA50 if it's rated for a 50cc gasser. You are absolutely right... sorry I was focused on the 140 that you talked about... Yes no problem with the DA 50. Note however that you will probably have to come up with your own firewall backplate or reinforcement, and standoff system to make the engine fit at the proper distance... But this is typical for most ARFs.

LDM -> RE: Giant Scale NitroModels P-40E 140 ARF Nitro Gas Radio Remote Control RC Warbird Airplane (4/5/2008 3:52:51 PM)
me tooo [;)], that engine should be perfact for the zero

Basil Yousif -> RE: Giant Scale NitroModels P-40E 140 ARF Nitro Gas Radio Remote Control RC Warbird Airplane (4/8/2008 6:51:43 PM)
Usually the planes built for gassers have a plywood box in front of the firewall to mount the gasoline engine, does the Zero 50cc need this or can the engine with extended mounting hardware ( steel mounting legs that allow the carb to be behind the engine) enough to get the engine to extend to the front of the cowell. If the plywood box is not needed will a extra piece of plywood reinforced with fiberglass be needed to be used as the firewall sitting in the front of the plane to take the mounting legs of the engine. The DA50 extends 7" from the mounting legs to where the propeller sitts so to extend a 1/2" from the cowell it's about 6 1/2" of engine length.

opjose -> RE: Giant Scale NitroModels P-40E 140 ARF Nitro Gas Radio Remote Control RC Warbird Airplane (4/8/2008 8:38:13 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Basil Yousif Usually the planes built for gassers have a plywood box in front of the firewall to mount the gasoline engine, does the Zero 50cc need this or can the engine with extended mounting hardware ( steel mounting legs that allow the carb to be behind the engine) enough to get the engine to extend to the front of the cowell. If the plywood box is not needed will a extra piece of plywood reinforced with fiberglass be needed to be used as the firewall sitting in the front of the plane to take the mounting legs of the engine. The DA50 extends 7" from the mounting legs to where the propeller sitts so to extend a 1/2" from the cowell it's about 6 1/2" of engine length. You do NOT want to use overly long legs as this will weaken the structure and allow the engine to break off and does not provide any cross bracing. Instead make your own box, or at worst do as I did for the 50CC 540T and make a "U" shaped mounting bracket. [image]http://image2-6.rcuniverse.com/e1/gallery/photos/216965/lg-132682.jpg[/image]

LDM -> RE: Giant Scale NitroModels P-40E 140 ARF Nitro Gas Radio Remote Control RC Warbird Airplane (4/9/2008 10:55:02 AM)
OP , I get the box and the wood , but what is that tan looking material closest to the engine standoffs ? I started a post on engine standoffs asking for advice , not for the P40 but an FW190, received great ideas, 1)thick dowels , they absorb vibrations and easily cut to length 2)layers of ply to lenghth , same reason as above 3)simple ply squares cut to proper space needed and mounted to firewall On my Fw190 I plan on 1" dowls cut to lenghth for proper engine distance from the firewall , also trying a thin layer of rubber inner tube from a bike , I do this with my bigger 4 strokes , cover the thin layer after installing them with expoxy for fule proofing and you have a custom rubber gromet at high points of contact .

Basil Yousif -> RE: Giant Scale NitroModels P-40E 140 ARF Nitro Gas Radio Remote Control RC Warbird Airplane (4/10/2008 6:21:46 PM)
Will the Zero 50cc and the P-40 take a box structure to extend the engine like the standard 1/4 scale stunt planes which have a flat and large plywood face to the firewall that is existing. Most likely the P-40 won't need the Box structure but I'm not sure.

opjose -> RE: Giant Scale NitroModels P-40E 140 ARF Nitro Gas Radio Remote Control RC Warbird Airplane (4/10/2008 6:29:32 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LDM OP , I get the box and the wood , but what is that tan looking material closest to the engine standoffs ? I would have needed to use a rather long length standoff to get the clearance I have on the pictures above. I was going to just use long standoffs and/or dowls. After consulting a few people here in the Giant Scale area, they suggested NOT using long standoffs/dowls. The told me that long standoffs and dowls, do NOT have "cross" bracing to each other. In turn because of their length, this puts a large lever moment on the engine mounting blind nuts. The entire assembly can break right out at the firewall because it places a great deal of force on a rather small area, even if you re-inforce and use fender washers! Instead they suggested either cross braces between the standoffs or dowls, or a "U" shaped block of hardwood. That is exactly what I did, the latter. That tan material are two pieces of hard wood that I epoxied together and then sanded into a "U" shape. It is open at the top to accept the carb... It distributes the forces of the engine over a much larger area than just using long standoffs. [image]http://image2-6.rcuniverse.com/e1/gallery/photos/216965/lg-134681.jpg[/image] This engine isn't going anywhere...

Basil Yousif -> RE: Giant Scale NitroModels P-40E 140 ARF Nitro Gas Radio Remote Control RC Warbird Airplane (4/10/2008 7:53:17 PM)
Of all the servos that Nitro Models sells which are the most reliable for the Giant scale planes. Or is it still better to stick with the Hitecs for cost efectivness. Your Idea with the U shaped standoffs is good to use instead of the metal ones I have.

opjose -> RE: Giant Scale NitroModels P-40E 140 ARF Nitro Gas Radio Remote Control RC Warbird Airplane (4/10/2008 8:28:50 PM)
I can't speak for their own branded "Raidentech" servos as I've not tried them... However I've used the "el cheapo" TowerPro ( aka Hextronics ) servos and I continue to use them... I've purchased well over 120 of them thus far... Other places sell them as well with decent reviews, given their prices. They may NOT be the most precise nor best centering servos, but at least for this primarily sport flyer, they do well. With any Giant Scale plane you want more torque of course, so you need to make sure that the specifications of the servo will conform to the plane with an added margin for safety.

Basil Yousif -> RE: Giant Scale NitroModels P-40E 140 ARF Nitro Gas Radio Remote Control RC Warbird Airplane (4/10/2008 8:51:30 PM)
I have heard of people using for instance Futaba S148 $14 for almost any application with no problems. They tried to make them fail on larger planes and couldn't. Sometimes I wonder about the $50 to $100 servo's how much bang for the buck are you really getting!! I wonder from an engineering standpoint how much stress is there really on airplane servos.

opjose -> RE: Giant Scale NitroModels P-40E 140 ARF Nitro Gas Radio Remote Control RC Warbird Airplane (4/10/2008 9:00:07 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Basil Yousif I have heard of people using for instance Futaba S148 $14 for almost any application with no problems. They tried to make them fail on larger planes and couldn't. Sometimes I wonder about the $50 to $100 servo's how much bang for the buck are you really getting!! I wonder from an engineering standpoint how much stress is there really on airplane servos. Remember that a lot also depends upon your mechanical advantage. If you do NOT require hugh throws, then you can easily make do with servos that produce far less torque... and maybe have a sloppier centering.. e.g. set the linkages for more mechanical advantage and you can use weaker servos w/o any problems. For 3D planes with large deflections, the speed you fly the plane at comes into play. I have a Giant U-Can-Do that calls for very high torque servos, yet the plane cannot sustain high speeds... You know what? Blowback is NO problem with this plane in it's normal regime, and as such I've used the Tower/Hextronics 5010's on it ( 8.00 ea ) with NO problems what-so-ever. The instructions call for more expensive very high torque digital servos... I'm sure that if you COULD fly this plane at high speeds w/o it self destructing, these would be needed... however I just saved the funds for other components... This thing flies at a walk... especially with the flaps or flaperons on...

LDM -> RE: Giant Scale NitroModels P-40E 140 ARF Nitro Gas Radio Remote Control RC Warbird Airplane (4/11/2008 2:10:49 AM)
Op nice assembly , thanks for the explanation

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