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A123 Batteries - 3/30/2008 12:18:03 AM   
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Status: offline 		I am planning to convert to A123 batteries when I purchase a 2.4 transmitter. Will I need to send in my ECU to be reset to 6.6 volts?
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RE: A123 Batteries - 3/30/2008 5:01:53 AM   
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Status: offline 		No. . .the voltage setting is the setting for the lowest voltage necessary, not the maximum. We will advise after our tests with A-123 batteries are concluded.

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RE: A123 Batteries - 4/12/2008 1:08:20 AM   
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Is anybody has a picture of how to set up this A123 batteries on the plane? I relly need to know where to plug the cables!

Thanks a lot in advance

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RE: A123 Batteries - 5/19/2008 2:49:26 PM   
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Status: online 		Any updates on this Eric? I went to an A123 Battery over the weekend and had a hell of a time getting the turbine to run correctly. I realize I had to "reteach" it the throttle curve, but I believe some setting such as Accel Delay have to be rethought with the lower voltage battery. Let me know what you guys come up with.


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RE: A123 Batteries - 5/20/2008 1:25:41 AM   
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Status: offline 		A-123 preliminary tests show that the lower voltage although it works, confuses the ECU. By that I mean a perfectly good running turbine is now dealing with lower voltage. During start up, the starter motor turns at a lower RPM due to amp draw. You now risk the possibility of a Hot Start.

Once running at Idle, it is necessary to bring the throttle up to full throttle. When reaching High throttle or WOT, you must leave the throttle at full until the RPM's reach the pre set maximum then. . .reduce 1 click at a time pausing for 5 seconds each click until you reach idle. It is not necessary to alter the Throttle curve in the ECU (Linear - Half Expo and Full Expo) as this is only trying to compensate for an ECU which has not learned it's new data based upon a battery change. Throttle curve should be left at Full Expo for this exercise, then flown and if and only if you feel the need to change the throttle curve. . .do it now.

ECU is pre set at 6.v for low voltage cut off. Do not change this setting as it affects "start up."

We are continuing to work with A123 set ups. Still prefer the LiIon 7.4v battery we supply for the ECU.

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Eric Clapp
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RE: A123 Batteries - 5/20/2008 1:43:14 AM   
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Status: offline 		Eric,

How will the ICS handle a 3s A123 pack which is 9.9V? I also have a Duralite 7.4v pack but would prefer to use the A123 9.9v pack due to the extra weight needed up front.

Hope that you're enjoying Mexico!

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RE: A123 Batteries - 5/27/2008 6:15:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		This is interesting. I had just switched over my F-15 to A123's a few days before the Mid Atlantic Jet Rally this past weekend. I cycled the batteries a few times but didn't get to run the engine. I made the first flight late in the day without performing any calibration and it went fine. When trying to squeeze in a second flight before I had to leave, I had the engine running and had to wait for two other planes to take off so it was idling for maybe three or four minutes. Just when it was my turn to taxi out, I brought the idle up and the engine shutdown just as the RPM's started to come up from idle. There was no puff of smoke. It just shutdown. I tried to check the data terminal to see what happened but I probably didn't get into the right menu to see and people were waiting on me to pack up so I could give them a ride home. I'm wondering if the lower voltage of the 123's had anything to do with this. I haven't run the engine yet to see.

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RE: A123 Batteries - 5/27/2008 6:28:56 PM   
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Status: online 		Im going back to LiIon for the ECU. I didnt like the way my engine ran with the A123's. I'm surprised that your spool-up time wasnt reduced Marty. My Rhino went from a quick 5 second idle/max to around 15 seconds...very noticable.

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RE: A123 Batteries - 5/27/2008 6:37:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		Luis,
After just going through the manual, I realized that the ECU saves the info and I just powered it up and it shows the shutdown due to low RPM ,temp 406c PW 167.

I don't think my spool up was that slow but I was a bit nervous as I only had a few flights on the plane last year and this was the first time this season and I changed out the radio and rx to 2.4 as well as changed out struts using the existing retracts so I had a few other things on my mind.

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RE: A123 Batteries - 5/27/2008 7:42:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		Marty and Luis,

Are you guys using 2 cell A123 (6.6v) or 3 cell 9.9v?

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RE: A123 Batteries - 5/27/2008 7:49:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		2 cell Mike.

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RE: A123 Batteries - 5/27/2008 11:00:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		We still haven't received an answer from Jet Central Mexico on the 3 cell packs. They do work well on the JetCat ECU when it's programmed for the 8 cell nicad setting. I'm unsure if the Jet Central ICS has that setting ability. I'd hate to fry an ICS on an experiment.

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RE: A123 Batteries - 5/29/2008 4:54:33 AM   
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Status: online 		2 Cell 6.6v as well. I looked, but didnt see a setting for 8v Nicad on the ECU.

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RE: A123 Batteries - 5/29/2008 7:46:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		Ok, Just got back from the backyard. I retaught the ECU just for the heck of it and started the Eagle. Ibrought it up to full throttle which according to the manual should be 128k and idle should be 32K. I followed Erics instructions and brought the throttle down one click at a time for five seconds at each click. Everything seems fine. The idle is in the 30-31K area and WOT is around 128k. Acceleration from idle to 128k is about 5-6 seconds. Seems pretty much the same as when I was using the LI-Mn 2 cell packs. Still am not sure why I had the the "low speed' shutdown indication at Fentress on Saturday.

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RE: A123 Batteries - 6/6/2008 4:13:29 PM   
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Status: online 		One thing I noticed Marty when I was playing with the A123 batteries was that the voltage on the packs went down as low as 6.3 volts when commanded to WOT. The cutoff is 6.0v for the ECU. It was a bit close for comfort for me. I'm thinking that with a battery thats not up to par, the voltage would drop below the cutoff and thats where problems arise. I'm no expert but I thought that these batteries gave a continous 6.6 so I was surprised to see the drop.

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