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RE: Discussion of My Response to Greg Hahn's recent ... - 4/8/2008 1:26:28 AM   
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that the line about the Bottom feeders was left in by accident.
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I replied that an apology might be in order. We'll see.



Yeah, I'd be pretty much all done with the insult part with that kind of action.
The discussion of the text concept of Nothing Nice To Say should still be left open to civil debate though. As wel as Hoss' point on grandstaning on our dime.... topics worthy of civil discussion instead of rants & blindfaith

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RE: Discussion of My Response to Greg Hahn's recent &qu... - 4/8/2008 1:33:06 AM   
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RE: Discussion of My Response to Greg Hahn's recent ... - 4/8/2008 2:33:20 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Stickbuilder

I heard from someone today....... he did say that the line about the Bottom feeders was left in by accident.

Bill, AMA 4720



What a load.....the TITLE of the article was left in by accident?
The applause from the AMA groupies should be deafening after they get a load of this excuse.

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RE: Discussion of My Response to Greg Hahn's recent ... - 4/8/2008 2:58:20 AM   
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Status: offline 		Oh yeah, accidents happen all the time, 'cept when you are responsible to proof read what is to be printed. Many of us have been in the position of presenting printed material. Hopefully the individual responsible has proof read everything, including by-lines, headers, etc before it goes to the printers. Accident my aching eyeball!!!!

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RE: Discussion of My Response to Greg Hahn's recent &qu... - 4/8/2008 3:44:31 AM   
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RE: Discussion of My Response to Greg Hahn's recent &qu... - 4/8/2008 3:45:29 AM   
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ORIGINAL: The Toolman

I sent mine a coupla days back an haven't received any kind of reply. BUT, I really don't expect one from them either.....

Ronnie


Hang in there Ronnie. The AMA "Elites" were all in Toledo this past weekend. After they rub their arms down with "Ben Gay" salve to rid the pain from patting each other on the back for 4 days, just maybe they will really look at the harm they have done.


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RE: Discussion of My Response to Greg Hahn's recent ... - 4/8/2008 3:53:41 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Stickbuilder

I heard from someone today, and since he did not give me permission to quote him, nor give his name, he did say that the line about the Bottom feeders was left in by accident. That was pretty much his total explaination, other than to say that it was a little late to do anything about it. I replied that an apology might be in order. We'll see.

Bill, AMA 4720



IMO, Bill, that could well have been anyone supporting the now infamous GH Composition. Any person that is passing such information and will not identify himself is even more worthless than the subject itself.


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RE: Discussion of My Response to Greg Hahn's recent ... - 4/8/2008 9:44:44 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Hossfly

IMO, Bill, that could well have been anyone supporting the now infamous GH Composition. Any person that is passing such information and will not identify himself is even more worthless than the subject itself.




Horrace,

He did identify himself, in fact I received an e-mail from him, but he did not give me permission to identify him, or make an exact quote of what he had to say.

Bill, AMA 4720

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RE: Discussion of My Response to Greg Hahn's recent &qu... - 4/8/2008 1:22:10 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Hossfly


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ORIGINAL: The Toolman

I sent mine a coupla days back an haven't received any kind of reply. BUT, I really don't expect one from them either.....

Ronnie


Hang in there Ronnie. The AMA "Elites" were all in Toledo this past weekend. After they rub their arms down with "Ben Gay" salve to rid the pain from patting each other on the back for 4 days, just maybe they will really look at the harm they have done.




Hoss, Are you sure you don't mean patting themselves on the back......hehe


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RE: Discussion of My Response to Greg Hahn's recent &qu... - 4/8/2008 3:44:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		I have been away and just read the article in question.

I think my favorite part, (other then being lumped in with all you bottom feeders )
was where Greg starts out saying that he was taught that "If you have nothing good to say, then say nothing at all" then proceeds to say nothing good about pretty much anyone that either looks at the web, or has an opinion.

Thanks Greg, your my new literary hero.

I guess if you say it in a printed medium (meaning actual ink and paper) then it's ok to slam, blast or other wise degrade your readership.

The only thing I am sending to Munchie is a big bottle of tenderizer, they have some serious feet to eat.

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RE: Discussion of My Response to Greg Hahn's recent &qu... - 4/8/2008 3:54:22 PM   
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Hoss, Are you sure you don't mean patting themselves on the back......hehe

Ronnie


That could very well be, however I figure they all sit around their tables telling each other, "Man you done did good" so there is no blame on anyone, therefore no one is responsible, therefore no one is to blame.

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RE: Discussion of My Response to Greg Hahn's recent &qu... - 4/8/2008 4:14:21 PM   
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Could someone tell me what a Web Crawler is? I might be one, but don't know for sure. And if I am one, should I be proud or embarrassed??


On the chance that this was more than just a rhetorical question, I'll give it a try. While "web crawler" is a somewhat geeky term for an automated program designed to search or scour the web for a specific purpose, I don't think that's how Mr. Hahn meant it. I think he meant "Web crawlers" as a general term for people who use the WWW in general. By reading the body of this column you can infer that he was referring more specifically to those who post on these forums. That's how I took it at least and of course this is just my interpretation.

Should you be proud or embarrassed to be a "Web crawler"? Neither, I would say.

This subject is under disussion on other forums as well. It's interesting to me to note that the discussion here on RCU is more unanimously "Hahn was wrong" than on RCgroups, for example. Over there (not that I'm suggesting you go there!) there are a few more "Hahn was correct" voices.

Also, the discussion here on RCU seems to be a little more civil, less heated and generally more respectful. I like that!

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RE: Discussion of My Response to Greg Hahn's recent &qu... - 4/9/2008 4:45:19 AM   
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Status: offline 		I had a chance to reread the Greg Hahn article this morning and I do not see what the uproar is about. In the title the terms 'Web Crawler' and 'Bottom Feeders' were used. I suspected that he had meant to use the term 'Troll' in place of 'Web Crawler'. If you make that substitution then the article does take a different tone.

There are many folks who post on the web just to cause conflict in a wide variety of forums, including RCU. I saw no mention in the article that there is 'no good' information exchanged here. There is a lot of misinformation that is printed here as well as other places. I think that Greg was talking about misinformation that is deliberately and knowingly placed here.

I think that it is good that we are able to have discussions about topics like this. I also think that there are some folks who are so against what ever the AMA does that they can do nothing right. But then again it is your right to feel that way, I will acknowledge and respect that, but I will disagree with that sentiment.

All in all the article does not have a lot of impact. It states the authors feelings and thoughts on some of the items that are posted on web sites. Ultimately I believe that he is asking us to be careful about what is posted and take responsibility for our content. If we see something that is blatantly wrong, not just something that we disagree with, then we should call the author on it and correct them. If it was an honest mistake then the author might learn something, if it was deliberate then they also might learn that they can't get away with that on RCU.

Just my thoughts,

Ron

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RE: Discussion of My Response to Greg Hahn's recent &qu... - 4/9/2008 5:32:27 AM   
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Status: offline 		Ron, do you really think that unless all talk about RC equipment failures STOPS AND STOPS NOW, the manufacturers will drag up on us? Doesn't that insult your intelligence just a little bit?

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RE: Discussion of My Response to Greg Hahn's recent &qu... - 4/9/2008 6:45:14 AM   
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I changed my mind. It is worth it. What gives GH the authority to call anyone names? I don't care if it was an oversight! So, you too are a WEB CRAWLER and BOTTOM FEEDER. That's okay with you, huh? Well, not with me! And a whole bunch of others. I don't care what his intent was, it was shot when he let the header and by line get away from him...Proof read what is to be printed is the bottom line...Many of us here have (and still are) been responsible for the final printed product. Don't try to side step it like some politician. Stand up and take responsibility...There still needs to be an apology printed. Period. Well? Thoughts on that?
Contrary to popular belief, I am a nice guy. I just don't like being called names by someone who doesn't know me and I don't like being walked on! Don't make me stand up, you won't like me then for sure! And I don't care

Mean Monte

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RE: Discussion of My Response to Greg Hahn's recent &qu... - 4/9/2008 11:43:41 AM   
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