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RE: ESKY LAMA 4 THREAD - 10/15/2009 12:15 AM   
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So, what kind of screen should I be looking for?

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RE: ESKY LAMA 4 THREAD - 10/15/2009 12:52 AM   
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So, what kind of screen should I be looking for?

Hey again Wheelnut,

Fibreglass flyscreen doesn't add to much weight.
BTW, do the servo arms in the Hunter come full length, or trimmed off?

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RE: ESKY LAMA 4 THREAD - 10/15/2009 1:27 AM   
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Hey again Wheelnut,

Fibreglass flyscreen doesn't add to much weight.
BTW, do the servo arms in the Hunter come full length, or trimmed off?

Peter


Mine came trimmed off. I installed new longer ones and it made a huge difference. Much faster in all directions and considerably more responsive. Barely need to move either stick to get a significant movement.

I also highly recommend the Harden Blades like these. I went through several sets of blades until I installed these. I bought three sets, but am still on the first one. They really rock.

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RE: ESKY LAMA 4 THREAD - 10/15/2009 2:06 AM   
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Hey again & thanks JD,

I guess I will have to advise Ido to order Esky servo horns as well.

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RE: ESKY LAMA 4 THREAD - 10/15/2009 2:46 AM   
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So, what kind of screen should I be looking for?


Use the figerglass screen. For about $5.00 you can get enough to do a couple hundred canopies.

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RE: ESKY LAMA 4 THREAD - 10/15/2009 7:53 AM   
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Hi to you all!!
My name is Ido and I'm writing to you from far away Israel (sorry if i'll have some spelling mistakes here and there).
Just got my Esky Hunter a week ago and already have some issues I hope you can help me with. It is important to mention that it was fine on its first flights right out of the box.
After a few problematic landing it now does not run smothly and has a lot of vibrations. I can hover pritty well but the hole heli body is vibrating strongly. what could be the couse of that? is it a gain and prop adjustment, can this be coused by a bent shaft??
If I replace the inner shaft, should I also replace the outer one (it may also be bent right?)?
I orderd the following parts, does any one have any expirience with them? was I right to order them in order to get sharper movments?
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And one last question: What is the reason for a problem where the lower or uper vlades spin faster and before the other set of blades? how does it get fixed?
Thanks!

Hey Ido,

Vibrations have many causes. The most common ones are: bent inner & outer shafts, blades out of balance (or tight in blade-grips), top link adjustment, and/or "gain" on 4in1 to tight.

To check these:
Bent shafts: get a friend to hold heli on ground away from him/her - safety first - and start rotors turning slowly looking down from above. If either shaft looks bent, remove and hand-straighten or replace!
Blades: Adjust the blade-grips so they JUST fall when heli is held at 90º. Look for damage to blades (& change out in pairs). Hand bend blades to help with tracking (look in manual for instructions with pictures)
Top link: Adjust link between flybar & upper blade grips until only one "blade plane" (not two, or a blur ).
Gyro gain adjustment - page 1 of this thread (post #9) says this.

The rest of this post is my opinion.

The only part of the Metal Upgrade Kit you've ordered that makes a diff. with lag time (the time between when you move sticks and when bird moves) is the swashplate. But the extended shaft - with the adjustable stabilizer (flybar) WILL make a diff. when "steering" (by tilting the swashplate further) once installed.

Peter
P.S. Another Hunter owner, JD, informs me that you will need to order full-length Esky servo horns. Two x these. When installed they allow full movement of the control arms > swash!




Hey Peter,

Thank you so much for your reply!!

I didnt understand the" top link" part. Could you kindly explain it in simpler words.

With respect to the Gyro and Prop, I read page 1 but I think I have a hard time understanding the terminology (I guess its the English). Could you please explain in your moast simle words what are rhese 2 adjustments? what does each one do? what is te relation between them and how to set them up?


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RE: ESKY LAMA 4 THREAD - 10/15/2009 8:19 AM   
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I also forgot to ask if the 3D upgrades I ordered are good or I should have ordered only upgrades from Xtreem??

Will the effect be the same as the Xtreem parts?

With respect to the longer servo arms - could you ask your freind how did he fit them since the canopy is very narow (he might of made a cut there or so).

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RE: ESKY LAMA 4 THREAD - 10/15/2009 8:57 AM   
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Hey Peter,
Thank you so much for your reply!!
I didnt understand the" top link" part. Could you kindly explain it in simpler words.
With respect to the Gyro and Prop, I read page 1 but I think I have a hard time understanding the terminology (I guess its the English). Could you please explain in your moast simle words what are rhese 2 adjustments? what does each one do? what is te relation between them and how to set them up?
thanks

Sure. I will try

Top link:
There is a black plastic link between the "balljoint" of the upper blade holder and a "lump" on the flybar. This link is the "top link". Hidden within it is a threaded metal screw - and the two black plastic halves can be twisted or un-twisted to shorten or lengthen it. This means that it can adjust the upper blades to run parellel to the flybar which will make one "blade plane" (when viewed from the side the upper blades should show as one "disc") and this stop vibrations and increases lift.

4in1 Adjustments: Look closely at the left side of the electronic box in the canopy and you will see two 'pots' (adjusted with a screwdriver) THEY SHOULD BE MARKED "Gain" and "Prop". The gain simply put [this is very difficult] is the amount the electronics "hold" the helicopter in one place.
The "Prop"ortional pot (nothing to do with a propeller) changes the "mixer" part of the 4in1 electronics making one motor slow down (and the helicopter yaws or rotates or spins in that direction).
The relationship between them is complex - but they are both ADJUSTMENTS to make the balance between things right again.

Post #9 says to turn "gain" fully CCW till it stops (gain off). Fly Hunter and center rudder trim below rudder stick on your Transmitter.
If Hunter is spinning CW - turn "Proportional" CW a little, OR if Hunter is spinning CCW turn "proportional" CCW. BEFORE TAKING OFF AGAIN TO TRY IT - un-plug & re-plug in helicopters battery then repeat - getting it as close as possible. Turn "gain" CW is small steps until the Hunter holds by itself - move "gain" as LITTLE as possible! When making gain adjustments un-plugging and re-plugging battery is not necessary.

Hope this helps

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RE: ESKY LAMA 4 THREAD - 10/15/2009 11:56 AM   
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Hey Peter,
Thank you so much for your reply!!
I didnt understand the" top link" part. Could you kindly explain it in simpler words.
With respect to the Gyro and Prop, I read page 1 but I think I have a hard time understanding the terminology (I guess its the English). Could you please explain in your moast simle words what are rhese 2 adjustments? what does each one do? what is te relation between them and how to set them up?
thanks

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Top link:
There is a black plastic link between the "balljoint" of the upper blade holder and a "lump" on the flybar. This link is the "top link". Hidden within it is a threaded metal screw - and the two black plastic halves can be twisted or un-twisted to shorten or lengthen it. This means that it can adjust the upper blades to run parellel to the flybar which will make one "blade plane" (when viewed from the side the upper blades should show as one "disc") and this stop vibrations and increases lift.

4in1 Adjustments: Look closely at the left side of the electronic box in the canopy and you will see two 'pots' (adjusted with a screwdriver) THEY SHOULD BE MARKED "Gain" and "Prop". The gain simply put [this is very difficult] is the amount the electronics "hold" the helicopter in one place.
The "Prop"ortional pot (nothing to do with a propeller) changes the "mixer" part of the 4in1 electronics making one motor slow down (and the helicopter yaws or rotates or spins in that direction).
The relationship between them is complex - but they are both ADJUSTMENTS to make the balance between things right again.

Post #9 says to turn "gain" fully CCW till it stops (gain off). Fly Hunter and center rudder trim below rudder stick on your Transmitter.
If Hunter is spinning CW - turn "Proportional" CW a little, OR if Hunter is spinning CCW turn "proportional" CCW. BEFORE TAKING OFF AGAIN TO TRY IT - un-plug & re-plug in helicopters battery then repeat - getting it as close as possible. Turn "gain" CW is small steps until the Hunter holds by itself - move "gain" as LITTLE as possible! When making gain adjustments un-plugging and re-plugging battery is not necessary.

Hope this helps

Peter



Thanks!!!!

So what you mean is that when the fly bar is straigt (oarallel to the ground), the uper blade should also do the same - if not it should be adjusted!?

With respct to the 4 in 1, it is much clearer now but still, if I adjust the prop and the heli does not spin what does the gain do!? If the prop is set = that the heli is in place so why is gain needed? In other words, say that prop is set as required and gain is set to off, how will the heli react?

P.S - I just noticed that my fly bar bent a little. I guess that may be at least part of the problem.

Thanks for your time!!

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RE: ESKY LAMA 4 THREAD - 10/15/2009 4:38 PM   
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Thanks!!!!

So what you mean is that when the fly bar is straigt (oarallel to the ground), the uper blade should also do the same - if not it should be adjusted!?

With respct to the 4 in 1, it is much clearer now but still, if I adjust the prop and the heli does not spin what does the gain do!? If the prop is set = that the heli is in place so why is gain needed? In other words, say that prop is set as required and gain is set to off, how will the heli react?

P.S - I just noticed that my fly bar bent a little. I guess that may be at least part of the problem.

Thanks for your time!!


The difference between the two potis is that the PROP poti affects the ratio of power between the two motors ... this means you will see the results once you use THRO. Also, if you do any adjustments on the PROP pot, you will need to unplug and re-plug the battery for the adjustments to take effect.
The GAIN poti affects the GYRO, so you see results on RUD ... In this case you do NOT need to unplug the battery for the adjustments to take effect. If you set GAIN to zero your heli tail will move left/right, if GAIN is set too high, it will "fishtail" ie erratically twitch from left to right (short fast movements)

So you see those two pots have VERY different purposes ...

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RE: ESKY LAMA 4 THREAD - 10/15/2009 11:52 PM   
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I also forgot to ask if the 3D upgrades I ordered are good or I should have ordered only upgrades from Xtreem??
Will the effect be the same as the Xtreem parts?
With respect to the longer servo arms - could you ask your freind how did he fit them since the canopy is very narow (he might of made a cut there or so).
Thanks!

Hey again Ido,

The 3D upgrades that you ordered are good enough .
The Hunter canopy is wide enough so you do NOT have to make cuts - they JUST fit OK - touching the inside of fuselage!

Peter
P.S. Bending back your flybar IS good enough for now, and when the 3D adjustable flybar you have already ordered does arrive - install it and you're good again.

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RE: ESKY LAMA 4 THREAD - 10/16/2009 12:02 AM   
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Thanks!!!!
So what you mean is that when the fly bar is straigt (oarallel to the ground), the uper blade should also do the same - if not it should be adjusted!?
With respct to the 4 in 1, it is much clearer now but still, if I adjust the prop and the heli does not spin what does the gain do!? If the prop is set = that the heli is in place so why is gain needed? In other words, say that prop is set as required and gain is set to off, how will the heli react?
P.S - I just noticed that my fly bar bent a little. I guess that may be at least part of the problem.
Thanks for your time!!

Hey again Ido,

You are understanding ideas well!
IF you turn the gain all the way CW (off) - your bird would do strange things when you throttle up or down . The gyro would not compensate and hold the helicopter still - and it would move anywhere it wants to
You know when you have turned gain pot ON (CCW) to much (as just posted by erdnuckel2 ) when the tail twitches or vibrates up and down. To fix, turn the gain pot OFF (CW) a little bit. In other words, the correct setting is BETWEEN "seeking" slow tail movements and fast vibrating tail movements.

Peter

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RE: ESKY LAMA 4 THREAD - 10/16/2009 2:11 AM   
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Hey again Ido,

When your parts arrive install the inner extended shaft by watching this installation video - the Hunter & the Lama4 are similar inside. You really don't need to buy the Xtreme blade grips shown....

Peter
P.S. Take care (pause words on screen at 3'45 ) when reinstalling the shaft to properly align the screws through collar of gear A to the flat areas x 2 on shaft!

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RE: ESKY LAMA 4 THREAD - 10/16/2009 5:08 AM   
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ok guys I found a yellow CX2 canopy but i had to buy the full set. It was $35(aud), a fair wack out of the wallet but i think it looks better then the extreme yellow canopy I painted (paint was coming off).

I also have the superskids 200 fitted now. Looks much better. Yet to fly it as its been too windy.

Anyways did someone say beer o clock.

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RE: ESKY LAMA 4 THREAD - 10/16/2009 5:10 AM   
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I forgot to mention that the servo arms fit in the slotted holes on the sides of the CX2 canopy perfectly. It was expensive but i think it was worth it. Maybe i should of got a blue one and put the blue blades back on.

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RE: ESKY LAMA 4 THREAD - 10/16/2009 5:41 AM   
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ok guys I found a yellow CX2 canopy but i had to buy the full set. It was $35(aud), a fair wack out of the wallet but i think it looks better then the extreme yellow canopy I painted (paint was coming off).
I also have the superskids 200 fitted now. Looks much better. Yet to fly it as its been too windy.
Anyways did someone say beer o clock.

Hey again B,

Looking good mate! I personally think you should have bought the blue canopy AND retain the yellow blades. This will allow the best visibility so you can see your birds orientation at a glance. The super-skids200 look (and will behave) GREAT - no more cracks in the under-carriage if you come down a bit hard!

I went flying this afternoon outdoors in the wind - but I used a high building to protect from the strong breeze flying each of my BOL, one of my Lama4s, and my Honeybee FP version2. Anyways, after 2 minutes of gentle circuits with my Honeybee (I was very proud of myself ) I was at about 5 metres altitude, went a bit to far past the building and my fav bird was blown down the carpark next door . Broke another dogbone (I have a few spares) and the blades came off - that's all. I guess I was lucky

Peter
P.S. If you DO decide to buy the blue canopy instead, I will buy that yellow canopy from you - I have a use for it, and you would get SOME of the $ you spent. At our next heli-meet in a fortnight. Does AUD$20 sound OK?
P.P.S. Have you had a chance to try that 1200mAh lipo in your Lama4 yet? Bu@@er! I just checked and the seller from fleabay is "no longer a registered user" - so I couldn't order any more even if I tried

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RE: ESKY LAMA 4 THREAD - 10/16/2009 8:25 AM   
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Hey again Ido,

When your parts arrive install the inner extended shaft by watching this installation video - the Hunter & the Lama4 are similar inside. You really don't need to buy the Xtreme blade grips shown....

Peter
P.S. Take care (pause words on screen at 3'45 ) when reinstalling the shaft to properly align the screws through collar of gear A to the flat areas x 2 on shaft!



Thanks you and  erdnuckel2 a lot!!!!!!

This was very helpfull!!

I have straightened the fly bar by hand and made a small test flight.

The hole body stoped vibrating but the tail still has some vibrations. It seems logical to me to wait for the parts and see what happens after instalation. I dont think I should play with the 4 in 1 untill I know all parts are new and not bented even a little - what do you think?

Do you think that I should also replace the outer shaft just in case?

Thanks

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RE: ESKY LAMA 4 THREAD - 10/16/2009 8:57 AM   
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Hi Again,

Do any of you know if the  Co-Comanche  body can be mounted on the hunder model?

Will it fit?

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RE: ESKY LAMA 4 THREAD - 10/16/2009 9:47 AM   
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The hole body stoped vibrating but the tail still has some vibrations. It seems logical to me to wait for the parts and see what happens after instalation. I dont think I should play with the 4 in 1 untill I know all parts are new and not bented even a little - what do you think?
Do you think that I should also replace the outer shaft just in case?
Thanks

Hey again Ido,

You are quite welcome

The outer shaft is (I think) the hardest part to replace - so it is NOT something to replace "just in case" I agree that you should now be waiting for the parts (including the un-cut servo horns ) that you have ordered before playing with the 4in1 any more. This will save you removing the fuselage more than once!

Peter
P.S. Once again you are quite welcome to ask questions.
P.P.S. No, the Hunter fuselage has a different battery area to the commanche. It is not a direct swap.

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RE: ESKY LAMA 4 THREAD - 10/16/2009 11:17 AM   
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The hole body stoped vibrating but the tail still has some vibrations. It seems logical to me to wait for the parts and see what happens after instalation. I dont think I should play with the 4 in 1 untill I know all parts are new and not bented even a little - what do you think?
Do you think that I should also replace the outer shaft just in case?
Thanks

Hey again Ido,

You are quite welcome

The outer shaft is (I think) the hardest part to replace - so it is NOT something to replace "just in case" I agree that you should now be waiting for the parts (including the un-cut servo horns ) that you have ordered before playing with the 4in1 any more. This will save you removing the fuselage more than once!

Peter
P.S. Once again you are quite welcome to ask questions.
P.P.S. No, the Hunter fuselage has a different battery area to the commanche. It is not a direct swap.


Thanks Peter,

Is there any other model fuselage that is a direct swap to the Hunter?

Is it possible to adjust the Commanch fuselage to the Hunter - if yes how? Will the Commanch battery area attache and fit the Hunter?

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RE: ESKY LAMA 4 THREAD - 10/16/2009 11:22 AM   
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nah pete im happy with the yellow one. I will probably get a blue one as well. I have charged that 1200 mah lipo but havent used it yet. Hopefully iys not to windy in the morning and i will get a chance to test it out.

The CX2 canopy is definably better then the stock esky one.

ps. Pete do you have a use for the yellow tail?

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RE: ESKY LAMA 4 THREAD - 10/16/2009 12:41 PM   
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The hole body stoped vibrating but the tail still has some vibrations. It seems logical to me to wait for the parts and see what happens after instalation. I dont think I should play with the 4 in 1 untill I know all parts are new and not bented even a little - what do you think?
Do you think that I should also replace the outer shaft just in case?
Thanks

Hey again Ido,
You are quite welcome
The outer shaft is (I think) the hardest part to replace - so it is NOT something to replace ''just in case'' I agree that you should now be waiting for the parts (including the un-cut servo horns ) that you have ordered before playing with the 4in1 any more. This will save you removing the fuselage more than once!

P.S. Once again you are quite welcome to ask questions.
P.P.S. No, the Hunter fuselage has a different battery area to the commanche. It is not a direct swap.

Thanks Peter,
Is there any other model fuselage that is a direct swap to the Hunter?
Is it possible to adjust the Commanch fuselage to the Hunter - if yes how? Will the Commanch battery area attache and fit the Hunter?
Thanks!

Wheelnut, Hawksbill & any other Hunter owners - HELP!?!!!

Thanks in advance

Peter

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RE: ESKY LAMA 4 THREAD - 10/16/2009 12:42 PM   
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nah pete im happy with the yellow one. I will probably get a blue one as well. I have charged that 1200 mah lipo but havent used it yet. Hopefully iys not to windy in the morning and i will get a chance to test it out.
The CX2 canopy is definably better then the stock esky one.
ps. Pete do you have a use for the yellow tail?

Sent you a PM Brendon.

Peter

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RE: ESKY LAMA 4 THREAD - 10/16/2009 2:58 PM   
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The hole body stoped vibrating but the tail still has some vibrations. It seems logical to me to wait for the parts and see what happens after instalation. I dont think I should play with the 4 in 1 untill I know all parts are new and not bented even a little - what do you think?
Do you think that I should also replace the outer shaft just in case?
Thanks

Hey again Ido,
You are quite welcome
The outer shaft is (I think) the hardest part to replace - so it is NOT something to replace ''just in case'' I agree that you should now be waiting for the parts (including the un-cut servo horns ) that you have ordered before playing with the 4in1 any more. This will save you removing the fuselage more than once!

P.S. Once again you are quite welcome to ask questions.
P.P.S. No, the Hunter fuselage has a different battery area to the commanche. It is not a direct swap.

Thanks Peter,
Is there any other model fuselage that is a direct swap to the Hunter?
Is it possible to adjust the Commanch fuselage to the Hunter - if yes how? Will the Commanch battery area attache and fit the Hunter?
Thanks!

Wheelnut, Hawksbill & any other Hunter owners - HELP!?!!!

Thanks in advance

Peter


Sorry, I can't help with that one. I have the Hunter, but I've never even laid eyes on either the Commanche or the Lama.
-jd

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RE: ESKY LAMA 4 THREAD - 10/16/2009 5:08 PM   
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I have picked up today 2 extended servo arms for the Hunter.

They seem long and have 5 holes on each one.

I dont think they fit without cuting them of cuting the fuselage!?....

So my question is do I have to cut the arms and if so after which hole? Furthermore, on which hole should I conect the links on the second or even farther?

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