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RE: ESKY LAMA 4 THREAD - 10/31/2009 3:05 AM

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idol the ones you linked too are for a bigger heli you want the ones like pete has suggested. You want the 180 motors for your hunter. AFC systems are the best ever period.

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RE: ESKY LAMA 4 THREAD - 10/31/2009 7:48 AM

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idol the ones you linked too are for a bigger heli you want the ones like pete has suggested. You want the 180 motors for your hunter. AFC systems are the best ever period.

Thanks!

I did not mean to post this link. something in that website does not allow me to paste the link i want and it just goes back to the big lama motor.
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RE: ESKY LAMA 4 THREAD - 10/31/2009 7:49 AM

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idol the AFC systems motors are the best. It has been proven. Pete and I have had all the motors and they AFC systems rein supreme.

Thanks!
Are they better then the extreme? Is this the motor that fits my hunter?:
www.afcsystem.com.hk="" href=""> http://www.afcsystem.com.hk/e/default_home.asp?url=/e/product/product_detail.asp?sku=489

Hey again Ido,

Yes the AFC systems 180 bearing motors are the best on the market at the present - they fit Hunter!!

Peter

Thanks,

The link you posted sells them prity expensive.

I will try to order them from the original site you linked to.

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RE: ESKY LAMA 4 THREAD - 10/31/2009 7:40 PM

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Hi All,

Just want to make sure - are the motors in the following link the ones that are compatible with my Hunter?

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/AFC-system-180-Ball-Bearing-Motor-A-B-for-Lama-BCX-2_W0QQitemZ290265226458QQcmdZViewItemQQptZRadio_Control_Parts_Accessories?hash=item439527dcda

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RE: ESKY LAMA 4 THREAD - 10/31/2009 9:57 PM

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yes mate thats the right ones

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RE: ESKY LAMA 4 THREAD - 11/1/2009 1:28 AM

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idol the AFC systems motors are the best. It has been proven. Pete and I have had all the motors and they AFC systems rein supreme.

Thanks!
Are they better then the extreme? Is this the motor that fits my hunter?:
www.afcsystem.com.hk='''' href=''''> http://www.afcsystem.com.hk/e/default_home.asp?url=/e/product/product_detail.asp?sku=489

Hey again Ido,
Yes the AFC systems 180 bearing motors are the best on the market at the present - they fit Hunter!!

Thanks,
The link you posted sells them prity expensive.
I will try to order them from the original site you linked to.

Hey again Ido,

The ebay link that I posted has both motors for AUD$39+free postage (=approx US$35), but your link from ebay shows that you will be paying US$22 + $9(shipping)=$31 - so well done, you saved yourself $4 from the same seller

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RE: ESKY LAMA 4 THREAD - 11/4/2009 5:05 AM

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ok so i got bored today and i took my V4 down the park and took some videos.

this is the actual file itself uploaded to mediafire:

http://www.mediafire.com/?ztwkt0mzzeg

sorry the quality is bad, i had my mobile phone strapped to my TX.

It was so funny at the end because it started to rain and the wind really picked up. The wind pushed my heli half way across the park in no time flat and i knew i was in trouble. It was heading straight for the trees.

Before i knew it i was running across the street and it went straight into the trees. Then it dropped from about 20 feet or more up and toppled down threw the branches. Then down it came into someones front yard. I still had the throttle slightly on so it was grinding. I picked her up and it was fine. On a closer inspection I ground out the bottom gear and lost the tubing that holds the top of the bullet mod on the top, BUT THATS IT.

I was so lucky.

I was having the best runs before the wind got up. My heli now is so stable and i find it hard to crash it now. Thanks to all the mods its as good as it gets now.

This video on youtube really doesnt do it justice so please take the time to download the actual video link (mediafire) and watch it in full screen.

The music i added was made by me and a mate many years ago. Bonus points for anyone who guess' what im saying, ROFL.

Also please dont forget to vote for my video on youtube please.

Thanks

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RE: ESKY LAMA 4 THREAD - 11/6/2009 6:08 PM

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idol the AFC systems motors are the best. It has been proven. Pete and I have had all the motors and they AFC systems rein supreme.

Thanks!
Are they better then the extreme? Is this the motor that fits my hunter?:
www.afcsystem.com.hk="" href=""> http://www.afcsystem.com.hk/e/default_home.asp?url=/e/product/product_detail.asp?sku=489

Hey again Ido,
Yes the AFC systems 180 bearing motors are the best on the market at the present - they fit Hunter!!

Thanks,
The link you posted sells them prity expensive.
I will try to order them from the original site you linked to.

Hey again Ido,

The ebay link that I posted has both motors for AUD$39+free postage (=approx US$35), but your link from ebay shows that you will be paying US$22 + $9(shipping)=$31 - so well done, you saved yourself $4 from the same seller

Peter

I ordered the motors (28$ including shipping).

I read somewhere that its better to break-in new motors.... is that reqired? if yes, how is it done?

Thanks

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RE: ESKY LAMA 4 THREAD - 11/6/2009 10:09 PM

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you fit the new motors on the chassis and then throttle the motors in increments of 5mins or so. Each 5 min you should throttle up a little more each time. After about 25mins you should be at full throttle. Let them cool down and your good to go ok.

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RE: ESKY LAMA 4 THREAD - 11/6/2009 10:13 PM

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you fit the new motors on the chassis and then throttle the motors in increments of 5mins or so. Each 5 min you should throttle up a little more each time. After about 25mins you should be at full throttle. Let them cool down and your good to go ok.

Hey again Ido,

What Brendon said! (start at lowest possible revs so all blades are just turning then increase......) - this really SHOULD be about 40 minutes, but I don't know if you are gonna start to take your lipo beyond its limits - so the 25 or 30 minute mark is good!!

Peter

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RE: ESKY LAMA 4 THREAD - 11/7/2009 1:08 AM

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actually the motor should be hooked directly up to a battery with less voltage than the battery it is rated for. And let it run until the brushes seat against the com.
It would be better if you had a charger like the duratrax Ice or the Team Checkpoint like I have. It has a motor break in feature. It would also be optimal to put the motor in a bowl of water while doing it. It will help the brushes seat properly, the motor will run stronger and longer.

Here is a good article.
http://www.rcboataholic.com/motors/motor%20breakin.htm

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RE: ESKY LAMA 4 THREAD - 11/7/2009 5:20 AM

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Thanks,

I didnt understand if the procces Brendon sugested is done with the blades on or off?

If the blades are on, when im in full throttle the heli should be in flight?

Wheelnut - thanks for the input but I do not have such equipment and considering the price of a motor today I think im not going to go crazy with the break in.

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RE: ESKY LAMA 4 THREAD - 11/7/2009 5:54 AM

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Thanks Peter,
What does the 15C stand for in batterys? I thing I will order the GE (if they shipp to Israel)... is the link you posted on Ebay the batt I should order or was it just an example?
With respect to the Hunter. It flys very well now and the only problem i have is that the tail vibrates when im changing motor speeds rapidally (from low to high RPM). should i live with that?

Hey again Ido,

The 15C is the discharge rate. Common ones were 7C & 10C - but as the technology got better 15C & 20C seem to be most available now.
The lipos that you want are ''Lipo battery 7.4V 900mah 15C Lama V4 GE Power'' - the EXACT ONES THAT I LINKED ARE FROM A GREAT SELLER CALLED SEEMMY999
Re. vibrations. There are many causes. How bad are they? Could you take a short snippet of video then upload it to Youtube & post a link? That way both myself (and other people) could see how bad the vibrations are - and what to do about them.
Failing this: Vibrations can be stopped just by changing blades, and/or adjusting top link (vertical link between flybar & upper blade grips), the gyro ''gain'' on 4in1. Vibrations are also caused by having a bent flybar! These are the 4 MAIN ones. Are the motor speeds changing by themselves or smoothly when you move the throttle stick up & down?
Is the tail vibration continuous or does it ''pulse'' sometimes when motor revs change?

Peter
P.S. Sorry for all the questions....
P.P.S. Just thought of another. Bent shafts cause vibrations also.

thanks Peter,

motor speeds are not changing by themselvs.

when i just hover at constant speed there is (almoast) no vibratins.

when i speed down and then up then i get vibrations

sounds to me like a bent inner shaft. Take it out and roll it across a table and see if it rolls smoothly, if not you will notice a bend in it. Other then that it could be the gain.

I have a slight vibrations in my heli too. But i just live with it. My motto is, if it can fly then fly it.

I did end up taking out my birds the other day. Hate to report but i smashed the CX2 (AUD $35) into a million pieces. Took off very quickly and it death rolled and boom.

Anyways I tested out that 1200mah lipo you gave me pete and it worked great and had some awesome flight time. It didn't make my heli spin like those other yellow batteries does.

Im proud to say that I was almost doing funnels with my V4. I had it mastered. Then the wind picked up. As soon as I get some money im ordering a brushless kit for it, as the new BOL im getting will be brushless too. Then we will see whats possible with it.

B.

I agree regarding the vibrations!

What I can't undwerstand is how come I never see even a slight vibration on even a single youtube video....

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RE: ESKY LAMA 4 THREAD - 11/7/2009 6:49 AM

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Thanks,

I didnt understand if the procces Brendon sugested is done with the blades on or off?

If the blades are on, when im in full throttle the heli should be in flight?

Wheelnut - thanks for the input but I do not have such equipment and considering the price of a motor today I think im not going to go crazy with the break in.

Hey again Ido,

The second best way of running in brushed motors (the best way is what Wheelnut just posted

) is:
Remove the blades - either just the blades or along with the blade grips - whichever is easier for you. With new motors fitted, start with very low revs (so all the blades are just turning

) Keep at this level of throttle for 5 mins. Raise throttle a little. Keep at this throttle level for another 5 minutes. Repeat (running for 5 minutes at a time) with slightly increased throttle setting each time - for a total of 25 minutes.
This will start bedding the brushes into the comm. properly, so every flight after this the brushes will make a better contact - thus not a much sparking, and more power (quieter & longer flight times also)

I hope you can follow this English well.

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I agree regarding the vibrations!
What I can't undwerstand is how come I never see even a slight vibration on even a single youtube video....

I guess it is because a video is made when your bird is flying well........
How bad are your vibrations anyhow? The ones on my small coaxials are not much at all (maybe a slight shaking - sometimes)

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RE: ESKY LAMA 4 THREAD - 11/7/2009 3:26 PM

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Thanks,

I didnt understand if the procces Brendon sugested is done with the blades on or off?

If the blades are on, when im in full throttle the heli should be in flight?

Wheelnut - thanks for the input but I do not have such equipment and considering the price of a motor today I think im not going to go crazy with the break in.

Hey again Ido,

The second best way of running in brushed motors (the best way is what Wheelnut just posted ) is:
Remove the blades - either just the blades or along with the blade grips - whichever is easier for you. With new motors fitted, start with very low revs (so all the blades are just turning ) Keep at this level of throttle for 5 mins. Raise throttle a little. Keep at this throttle level for another 5 minutes. Repeat (running for 5 minutes at a time) with slightly increased throttle setting each time - for a total of 25 minutes.
This will start bedding the brushes into the comm. properly, so every flight after this the brushes will make a better contact - thus not a much sparking, and more power (quieter & longer flight times also)

I hope you can follow this English well.

Peter

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I agree regarding the vibrations!
What I can't undwerstand is how come I never see even a slight vibration on even a single youtube video....

I guess it is because a video is made when your bird is flying well........
How bad are your vibrations anyhow? The ones on my small coaxials are not much at all (maybe a slight shaking - sometimes)

Vibrations are not that bad. They happen when I change motor speeds so maybe the new motors will cure that.

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RE: ESKY LAMA 4 THREAD - 11/7/2009 3:40 PM

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Thanks,

I didnt understand if the procces Brendon sugested is done with the blades on or off?

If the blades are on, when im in full throttle the heli should be in flight?

Wheelnut - thanks for the input but I do not have such equipment and considering the price of a motor today I think im not going to go crazy with the break in.

No worries mate.
But you don't have to go crazy to do a simple good break in. Just take a small battery pack, like a 3 or 4V receiver pack and just connect it to your motor and let it run the battery down. That will seat the brushes and your motor will love you for it and it will pay you back in longer run times and longer life time of the motor.

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RE: ESKY LAMA 4 THREAD - 11/7/2009 5:17 PM

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I wrote to AFC today asking if their motors require brake in and if so, what is the best way to do so.

I got the following reply:

"Thank you for your enquire. AFCsystem 180 BB motor has not require (break in).

Customer Services

AFCsystem"

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RE: ESKY LAMA 4 THREAD - 11/7/2009 11:40 PM

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I wrote to AFC today asking if their motors require brake in and if so, what is the best way to do so.

I got the following reply:

''Thank you for your enquire. AFCsystem 180 BB motor has not require (break in).

Customer Services
AFCsystem''

Hey again Ido,

"....AFCsystem 180 BB motor has not require (break in)." - but they do benefit

Peter

P.S. Wheelnut is correct - "That will seat the brushes and your motor will love you for it and it will pay you back in longer run times and longer life time of the motor."

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RE: ESKY LAMA 4 THREAD - 11/8/2009 3:24 AM

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I wrote to AFC today asking if their motors require brake in and if so, what is the best way to do so.

I got the following reply:

''Thank you for your enquire. AFCsystem 180 BB motor has not require (break in).

Customer Services
AFCsystem''

Hi Idol,

If the brushes are contoured like the brushes used in the Extreme 180SE motors then I would agree no need to brake in. I never had for this very same reason and the motors have continued to perform to the highest degree. So it's up to you. If you do or don't it won't hurt the motors.

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RE: ESKY LAMA 4 THREAD - 11/8/2009 6:07 AM

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Thanks to all of you!

Is break in needed eacj time brushes are replaced?

Ido

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RE: ESKY LAMA 4 THREAD - 11/9/2009 5:14 AM

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Thanks to all of you!
Is break in needed eacj time brushes are replaced?

Hey again Ido,

Yes

. Each time new brushes (very cheap

) should be bedded into the comm. After five sets of brushes you are advised to either: 1. Buy new motors to replace full unit (fairly cheap

) or 2. "Sand" the comm smooth again.

Peter

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RE: ESKY LAMA 4 THREAD - 11/10/2009 3:53 PM

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Hi Everyone,

Do any of you prefer to fly your L4 with a 1000 mah lipo. ? Just curious about how you feel the added weight vs time and performance. The cost of the lipo doesn't matter. Also the "c" rating.

I just tried a few on my L4 and found it to be great. The extra weight was no real problem. I was surprised how much longer the 1000 mah 20c flew over my 900 mah 15c. It actually just about doubled the time. On my 900 packs I fly for 5 mins 30 seconds
(7.5 -7.6 mah). On the 1000 packs I get 9 minutes (7.5). I tested 4 different 1000 packs. Got the same results. I flew outside doing my usual manuvers. Also the batteries were barley warm and the motors (Xtreme) were cooler then ever.

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RE: ESKY LAMA 4 THREAD - 11/11/2009 7:40 AM

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good to hear from you again mate. I have 2 or 3 1200mha lipos and yes there a little better than the other ones but i would say double the time. After a few charges they seem to have lost a bit.

Overall i dont really get much more out of them and dont think i would go out of my way to get some.

The GE POWER lipos are by far the best i have ever used.

I am getting really frustrated with this hobby and im really close to given it up. Ive spent a S H I T load of money and had some fun but whats it gotten me, NOTHING.

B.

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RE: ESKY LAMA 4 THREAD - 11/11/2009 11:53 AM

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Hi Everyone,
Do any of you prefer to fly your L4 with a 1000 mah lipo. ? Just curious about how you feel the added weight vs time and performance. The cost of the lipo doesn't matter. Also the ''c'' rating.
I just tried a few on my L4 and found it to be great. The extra weight was no real problem. I was surprised how much longer the 1000 mah 20c flew over my 900 mah 15c. It actually just about doubled the time. On my 900 packs I fly for 5 mins 30 seconds
(7.5 -7.6 mah). On the 1000 packs I get 9 minutes (7.5). I tested 4 different 1000 packs. Got the same results. I flew outside doing my usual manuvers. Also the batteries were barley warm and the motors (Xtreme) were cooler then ever.

Hey again G,

I re-found the 2 x 1200mAh lipos that I bought (and gave one to Brendon to try out) I hadn't dealt with Global-mart before - but it went smoothly within the usual delivery times from HongKong

Take care to factor in shipping costs (and exchange rates) with any ebay sales.......

Peter

P.S. I get around 11-12 minutes from these 1200mAh lipos. They are 15C.
P.P.S. GTX_slotcar warned us all a while back that the sellers can be "liberal" with their mAh and C-ratings due to a number of reasons, and it may not be intentionally misleading. Also the flighttimes that you get from a lipo may be diff'rent from what I get due to gear meshing / lubrication / lack of binding / motor strength / blades / type of flying etc.......

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RE: ESKY LAMA 4 THREAD - 11/11/2009 12:25 PM

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Hi All,

I shortend the length of my flybar weghits today by 12 mm each side.

The vibrations got a little worse.

Does this help to understand what might be wrong?

Thanks!

Ido

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