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RE: ESKY LAMA 4 THREAD - 4/18/2008 10:41:05 PM   
1morecrash


 

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Status: offline 		I did the first time I changed blades.
it didnt do anything but spin and act stupid

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RE: ESKY LAMA 4 THREAD - 4/18/2008 11:04:38 PM   
gasrc


 

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ORIGINAL: 1morecrash

they are different they rotate on opposite directions dont mix them up.
there is an A and B .



DUH!! Boy I feel stupid for asking that question. I give myself some credit though, as I would have noticed the bade direction before making the replacement.

Still though, I wonder what the numbers mean. I know the top blades on the heli have a "4". The ones in the bag that came with the heli have "2" and "1".

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RE: ESKY LAMA 4 THREAD - 4/19/2008 12:25:01 AM   
gasrc


 

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Status: offline 		How are the Deal Extreme blades compared to E-flite blades? My guess is the E-flite blades are of the same "quality" as the stock ones.

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RE: ESKY LAMA 4 THREAD - 4/19/2008 2:28:49 AM   
Jason Paul


 

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Status: offline 		I don't know about the E-Flight blades. It seems when I gave them a glance at my LHS they looked like they wouldn't work on the Lama (different grip end - not sure the technical term). However, the Deal Extreme blades are MUCH better than the stock ESky blades. Certainly worth the $2.00 a set they charge. Also to clarify, by "set" I mean ALL FOUR blades. You get BOTH the upper and lower blades for $2.00.

I'm sure they're not indestructable, and probably aren't as strong as the XTreme Blades, or other white, hard blades - but they're a great deal.

Jason

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RE: ESKY LAMA 4 THREAD - 4/19/2008 3:41:09 PM   
gasrc


 

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ORIGINAL: Jason Paul

However, the Deal Extreme blades are MUCH better than the stock ESky blades. Certainly worth the $2.00 a set they charge.

Jason



I'm not doubting the Deal Extreme blades, but even if I order them now, it would take 2 weeks to get here. The E-flite blades are available at my LHS.

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RE: ESKY LAMA 4 THREAD - 4/19/2008 3:55:19 PM   
gasrc


 

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Status: offline 		Man I can't wait to be able to fly LIKE THIS GUY! In my opinion, it gets pretty impressive starting around the 40 sec mark,....narrow passages, quickly landing softly in small tight areas, etc. I would have broken two dozen blades doing that stuff.

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RE: ESKY LAMA 4 THREAD - 4/21/2008 4:21:27 AM   
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Status: offline 		One thing that I have found out is that the Lama V4 is vesry very sensitive to the slightest imperfection to the blades. The tiniest of dings will effect it. I was making all sort of changes to the 4n1, swash linkage, and trims trying to get it to fly like it did on it's first flight. I finally changed all four blades and was confidently hoovering within inches of my face.

Speaking of blades, I tried a set of Venom blades. Boy, what a difference in durability! Esky blades are absolute garbage. The Venom blades took way more hits and way harder hits than the Esky blades before I finally totalled them when I tried to abort a landing on a raised platform. The heli caught the edge and tilted just before my throttle command took effect. Right into a wall it went...hard. My guess is this is what the Deal Extreme blades must be like (if not the very same/0.

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RE: ESKY LAMA 4 THREAD - 4/21/2008 9:54:08 PM   
1morecrash


 

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Status: offline 		well this weekend I was trying to fly my V4 outside.
gust of wind hit it tried landing but the blades dug into the
dirt, and no damage to the blades at all.
now the tips are a little green from the grass.
but thats it.

stock blades would have been gone on the first hit.

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RE: ESKY LAMA 4 THREAD - 4/22/2008 12:11:50 AM   
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Status: offline 		I finally got the upgrade kit for my V4. Well, some of you guys were right. The blade holders are total garbage - what a waste of money. One of the screws that holds them together (they came assembled) wasn't even the right screw! It was a little counter sink one that was just thrown in there! Unbelievable. The original blade holders worked fine for the lower set but the upper set were very tight and after a bit of trimming, they worked. I went ahead an assembled the purple metal blade holders on the heli and had TBE so bad that I couldn't even hover it. So, I took the lower ones off first, OK, getting somewhere but still had TBE and was barely able to hover so I took the upper ones off, replaced them with the originals and Whala! It hovered. After some tweeking and adjusting it will hover now - not necessarily hands off like new but very flyable.
The upper flybar holder seems too large for the flybar and you can twist the flybar inside of it. Is this what everyone else is experiencing? Kindof like this upgrade kit is made for a completely different bird. Do you think that they sold me the wrong kit? Is it common for the flybar to be able to be twisted inside the holder? It won't move side to side but I can easily rotate it inside of the holder.
Any sugestions?

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RE: ESKY LAMA 4 THREAD - 4/22/2008 12:43:42 AM   
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Status: offline 		Just tried twisting my flybar in the holder and no way will it twist out / rotate without considerable force. The locating lugs on the flybar look to be in good condition and not especially worn despite the number of times historically it's flown out and been reseated pre upgrade parts.
Check the lugs and if you can a comparison against a known good upgrade would go along way if thats possible.

Hope you get it sorted.

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RE: ESKY LAMA 4 THREAD - 4/22/2008 4:09:06 AM   
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Status: offline 		The weird thing about it is that the flybar is new too. If there was no such thing as bad luck, I would have no luck at all! LOL

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RE: ESKY LAMA 4 THREAD - 4/25/2008 12:29:24 PM   
downunderdog


 

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Status: offline 		I just bought the metal upgrade kit for my V3 from:

http://www.rchelicoptershop.com

I agree that the metal blade holders are junk. Too many little pieces, and all held together by tiny screws. After figuring that out the hard way (had one of the little balls on the side that attach to the swashplate and flybar linkages, which I figured should have been glued in there, come loose on the first flight... it took about 20 minutes searching the floor to find it), I tightened everything up and flew for about a battery worth, with major TBE the entire time. Towards the end, I was holding the skids and looking at the blades to see if I could figure out what was causing the TBE, and one of the blade assemblies (whole blade, plus the half of the metal blade grip/holder) came off and went shooting across the room - luckily away from me instead of at me. Two of the screws that I had tightened before that flight had come loose and let go. That, combined with the horrendous TBE, made me switch back to the plastic blade grips/holders. I still have a bit of TBE with the plastic grips, and am suspecting the upgrade swashplate as the culprit (it didn't feel all that smooth on the shaft as I was installing it).

I hope it's not the upgrade turbo shaft that is causing the mild TBE, as the heli seems to be a lot more controllable with the longer shaft, and I haven't had a flybar come off yet (I used to have it come off, or have a blade strike, a couple of times every battery) since I installed it. I'm anxious for a calm day so I can try it outside. When in fast forward flight (which is tricky in our apartment), the TBE seems to go away and I can maneuver pretty well. It should be fun outside.

I also bought the rather pricey ($18 for 3 sets) "harden" blades. I've made contact with a few things that would have been the death of the stock blades, and I haven't seen a scratch on them yet... knock on wood.

In summary, I'd recommend getting the "turbo shaft" and the "harden" blades, but none of the other upgrade parts in the set. I'll update if I do determine that the turbo shaft is related to the TBE. If anyone finds a cure for mild TBE, then I'd love to hear it.

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RE: ESKY LAMA 4 THREAD - 4/25/2008 7:40:42 PM   
N1pster


 

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Status: offline 		You might want to check your swash is still level one link maybe half a turn out. Drop of TriFlow or a similar lubricant might help as well.

Important lesson, where there is a metal on metal connection eg: screw into metal blade grip, don't forget a drop of threadlock, stop the little critters flying out.
Where there is a metal on plastic connection and the screw has a fine thread, drop of CA does the same. Not so critical on a course thread screw.

What's cheaper and safer? Couple of dollars for the threadlock or a trip to casualty for stitches?



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RE: ESKY LAMA 4 THREAD - 4/25/2008 11:22:39 PM   
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Status: offline 		I took the little linkage that connects the flybar to the side of the blad holders and unscrewed the middle of it making it a bit longer and that helped a little bit more with tbe. Also the upper blades being the EXACT weight helps with this too.
Jeff

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RE: ESKY LAMA 4 THREAD - 4/26/2008 4:29:53 AM   
AZheli



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Status: offline 		About those DealExtreme $1.98 per set blades ...

They're fantastic - only 2nd best to the white XtremeRC blades. I bought several sets of the Black DealExtreme blades, thinking they'd last a little longer than the 45 minutes per set that the E-Sky blades do, but almost a month later & I'm on the same first set. I did manage to ding one of the blades, but simply touched it up with a hotsoldering iron tip & have already several more flights on it without any ill effects.

While you're ordering those DealExtreme blades, consider also the 900 MaAH LiPO battery for around $8.95 - don't get the even cheaper "Mystery" battery, but the green one is a steal & so far no charging or capacity issues with it.

As for the E-Flite CX blades - they're about the toughest looking blade made, but they mount using different blade holders & aren't compatible with the Lama set up.

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