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RE: RC Ken and MinnFlyer have joined forces - 5/19/2008 8:09:13 PM   
Kavik Kang


 

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Status: offline 		Hey Ken and Minn,

I am getting ready to actually get my first plane. I am one of those video gamers you mention and had been planning on going with a Hangar 9 Arrow. But then your new site here lists both the Pulse XT and Goldberg Tiger II as intermediate trainers in the same class with the Arrow. Could I learn with a Pulse XT or Tiger II and just forget about the Arrow altogether or did you intend the intermediate list more as a "second plane" list?

I'd much rather go with a Pulse XT or Tiger II if it won't be too much for me.

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RE: RC Ken and MinnFlyer have joined forces - 5/19/2008 8:32:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		I believe the Hobbico Avistar, the Goldberg Falcon, and the Hangar-9 Arrow are all in the same class: High wing, semi-symmetric airfoil, with a little dihedral (not as much as most flat-bottom basic trainers). I'm not sure why they list the Avistar in the Basic Trainer category, and the Falcon and Arrow in the Intermediate Trainer category. I started with an Avistar myself, and I believe any of these three planes should work fine as your first trainer. They are not much harder to learn on than a basic flat-bottom trainer, and they have a little more aerobatic capability, so you won't get board with them as quickly.

Any of the low wing planes on their "Intermediate Trainer" list should definitely be considered only for a second plane.

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RE: RC Ken and MinnFlyer have joined forces - 5/19/2008 9:05:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		Kavik, If you've got a qualified instructor and a buddy box, I see no reason why you couldn't start out with either of thos planes.

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RE: RC Ken and MinnFlyer have joined forces - 5/19/2008 9:10:58 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MinnFlyer

Kavik, If you've got a qualified instructor and a buddy box, I see no reason why you couldn't start out with either of thos planes.


Agreed!

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RE: RC Ken and MinnFlyer have joined forces - 5/20/2008 4:45:34 PM   
Kavik Kang


 

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quote:

ORIGINAL: MinnFlyer

Kavik, If you've got a qualified instructor and a buddy box, I see no reason why you couldn't start out with either of thos planes.


Agreed!

ken


That's great... because I really just don't like high-wing planes all that much. I think I am just going to start out with a PulseXT. I have already become very good in the simulator over the winter and with an instructor I would think that I could skip the high wing plane and start with a docile low wing plane. If you two agree, then that gives me the confidence to go that route. What the heck, if I crash it maybe I'll replace the PulseXT with a Goldberg Tiger II:-)

Now I just have to re-consider the DX7 controller I had decided on since atfer a few months away from here I am seeing ads for a new equivilant Futaba now...


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RE: RC Ken and MinnFlyer have joined forces - 5/20/2008 5:00:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yes, you didn't mention the simulator earlier, but if you've gotten good on a sim, then you can easily start with a Pulse, Tiger II or any of the other intermediate trainers which are available (again, proving your are buddying with an instructor.

One final note: You should start learning the proper terminology - It's not a "Controller" we prefer to call it a "Transmitter"

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RE: RC Ken and MinnFlyer have joined forces - 5/20/2008 5:21:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		The key to all of what Mike and I are saying is the instructor. If you have a good instructor that is willing to train you this plane then there is no reason why you can't try it. But if the instructor isn't willing, or is hesitant, to train you then you might want to reconisider getting an intermediate trainer to learn on. The instructor is the key to it all. With the right instructor a person could learn on just about anything
Ken

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RE: RC Ken and MinnFlyer have joined forces - 5/20/2008 6:41:37 PM   
Kavik Kang


 

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ORIGINAL: RCKen

The key to all of what Mike and I are saying is the instructor. If you have a good instructor that is willing to train you this plane then there is no reason why you can't try it. But if the instructor isn't willing, or is hesitant, to train you then you might want to reconisider getting an intermediate trainer to learn on. The instructor is the key to it all. I with the right instructor a person could learn on just about an

Ken


Hmmm.... Ok then, I guess I will go back to the field and talk to the instructors there. I'll get an Arrow with the gear switch to a PulseXT later if they insist, or just start with a PulseXT if the instructor doesn't mind. It's been a lot of fun spending my free time at work looking into this since last fall, I'm guessing finally actually having a plane will be even more fun.

Minn: Yes... Calling it anything other than a "controller" will probably take little getting used too:-)

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RE: RC Ken and MinnFlyer have joined forces - 5/25/2008 10:09:08 AM   
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RE: RC Ken and MinnFlyer have joined forces - 5/26/2008 12:07:31 AM   
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Status: offline 		saved it to favorites for my new students. thanks

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RE: RC Ken and MinnFlyer have joined forces - 6/7/2008 7:44:22 AM   
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Status: offline 		that is something !you are so great !congratuations!

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RE: RC Ken and MinnFlyer have joined forces - 7/6/2008 1:54:06 AM   
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Status: offline 		Hi Ken and Mike,

First I want to thank you and Mike for putting out such in depth videos on construction. I think build threads are great but it’s much better to see a kit actually built from start to finish.

I noticed in your videos that on the kit you are working on you install the tail and stabilizer and then cover it on the fuselage. I have also seen this done the other way with the tail and stabilizer covered separately and then installed later.

I’m wondering why you chose to do it this way. I have a kit on my building board now and the covering is being shipped so I’ll be ready to start in about a week. Would you recommend that I do it this way or is it more a matter of choice? For what it’s worth, the designer of the kit I’m building, Pat Tritle, covered the components first and then assembled. The kit is a 31.5” Eugly Stick that I selected partly to hone my building skills and partly to have a fun aerobatic flyer that I can take to the park. If you’re curious, here’s his build thread…

Eugly Stick Build Thread

I think the next kit I'll tackle will be the LT-40 so the videos will definately come in handy!

Thanks again for these great videos and for all of the great advice that you and Mike offer through RCUnverse!

Bob


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RE: RC Ken and MinnFlyer have joined forces - 7/6/2008 2:24:08 AM   
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Status: offline 		Bob,
Here's why we do it this way.

First, the tail feathers need to be square on the fuselage in order to make a plane that flies straight. It's much easier to work on the tail section if the covering isn't getting in your way as you work on the tail feathers.

Second, covering. When you cover first and then assemble there is a seam left in the covering where fuel residue and exhaust can seep under the covering. But if you assemble first you can start covering by first cutting a small strip of covering and use that to cover the corners of where the tail sections meet. Then when you cover the tail sections you covering right up to the where they meet, which will be over the strip you just put in. This will leave no gaps or seams where fuel or exhaust can seep under. If you look at my LT-40 build thread you can see pictures of this and it should be a lot clearer what I am talking about.

Pay It Forward build thread!! LT-40 build.

Hope this helps

Ken

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RE: RC Ken and MinnFlyer have joined forces - 7/6/2008 6:00:15 AM   
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Status: online 		Ken ... tried to go to your website, can't load at all. How come? Thanks!

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