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I have a CD with 150+ pictures of the MoF FG-1D that was given to me by Kirk Sonnier several years ago. It is chock full of some really fantastic pictures of just about every inch of the Corsair. They are very large format pics, about 2-3 times bigger than the resized samples below. I will gladly supply a copy of the CD free of charge to anyone participating in this build. Just send me a private email with your request and your shipping address.
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Thanks Chad, some of the best detail photos i've seen (and I have started to collect a large number). The photo of the tail is great, you can even see the pinking tape on the elevators in more detail than you usually see (nice angle too on the fairings between the tail group, and trim tab detail).
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Thanks, Richard. Chad had a version of that drawing as well. We've been working off that one and the Matt drawing. The intent isn't to take the conversation offline and exclude input, so if anyone wants to get looped in on the e-mail dialog, just let me know. We're doing a lot of back and forth comparisons to try to make sure to get ideal scale locations at both the extended and retracted positions and to make sure the none of the arms bind against the fuse spine. I wouldn't be surprised if Chad has a revised prototype to post later on tonight.
Tom
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Alright gents, today saw the laser fired up and the first empennage kit is cut. No serious issues were encountered other than my concerns about the 3/8" and 1/2" thick balsa being at the extreme limits of what I can cut and get a decent edge. I would rather have these parts CNC router cut but, if not, I can do it on the laser. The kit consists of 66 parts and includes everything with the exception of sheeting, a couple of balsa blocks for the tips, and some strip stock. All of that is off the shelf or easily made by the builder.
Cost for the tail kit will be $40 if I supply the wood or $25 if you supply your own wood. I'll get the list together of interested parties and we can nail down who wants a kit and when. Onward and upward!
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Here is the list I have of parties who have expressed interest in the tail kit. I know there were others and I apologize up front if I have missed you. Since I don't know everyone by name I've just posted your RCU handle.
Please either email me directly or PM me to confirm your order and let me know if you want the kit ASAP or if you would rather hold off until a couple have been built and the kinks worked out. Also please indicate if you will be supplying your own wood or if you want me to supply it.
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I figured I would ask here since this will be an ongoing issue. How do you want to handle payment Chad? MO? Check? Paypal? etc.? I was in Toledo on Friday and had a great time. All the motivation I need to get back on some projects.
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I figured I would ask here since this will be an ongoing issue. How do you want to handle payment Chad? MO? Check? Paypal? etc.? I was in Toledo on Friday and had a great time. All the motivation I need to get back on some projects.
I trust you guys so any of the above forms of payment will work fine and I am set up for Paypal for those that would like to use it.
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Chad.... Beautiful work!
I will take 2 sets when you are ready to ship!
Well, take care of the guys that want to start right away, then i'll take 2 sets!
Nice work on the tailwheel drawings too guys! I am glad I didn't start building mine yet!
Thanks for the patience on the tailwheels. I literally gave myself a headache yesterday looking at four different sets of drawings, comparing geometry, relative position to the fuse and empennage in both the up and down positions, etc. It's interesting when you compare sets of drawings side by side how the little scale differences start to show up as you overlay the respective parts and compare the outlines. I think the original drawing that Richard posted on the tailwheel is still the best reference we have. We continue to use the Matt drawings to fine-tune the scale locations of the wheel at both the up and down positions. As I mentioned earlier, If you build the tailwheel as I did my original one, I think you will get a result that no one other than a Corsair scholar with a set of drawings in their hand would ever find a flaw with, but I think with some iteration, we get better and better. My feedback to Chad now is really nitpicky stuff, like "when you overlay the Matt gear door outline, it doesn't look exactly right in the up position with respect to the door and the leading edge of the horizontal stab." He does a great job of taking my sometimes random feedback and making sense out of it on paper. When we are done taking our best shot, I'd like you all to jump on it like a pack of rabid dogs and tear it apart if you can. I think it's up to everyone how scale they want to make their project, but we should start with a "Super Scale" reference design, and not something haphazardly pasted together. Also, once we get happy with the major assembly, we'll then add back the tailhook to provide for those that may want to build a carrier based variant. I don't think I will focus on validating the longer tailwheel design. Someone else that is building one of those versions may want to go over it again once we get the base version set.
I honestly wouldn't sweat the tailwheel for a while if I were you. I'd encourage you to focus on getting your tailgroup built and then get along with the fuselage framing. If we get the drawings spot-on as I think we will, you may not need a built tailwheel for a few weeks.
In the meantime, I'm going to experiment with a couple of techniques to make the visible portion of the build truly scale. As I've spent time with it over the weekend, I asked myself "does a couple of pieces of PC board soldered to a brass tube with some angle bracket really look like the pictures below?" There are at least three variants here including a couple of dash-5s so I want to get a little bit more upclose and personal with the local FG-1D (also pictured) to make sure they are similar. I'll let you form your own conclusions and build to a degree of scale that makes you really satisfied. I think I'll take mine a little further by blending in some styrene, balsa and microballoons to make the outline a little more convincing. Some other things that I'll improve are the attachment of the hold down hook and the tailhook to Part B. The prototype design has them pinned through the full width of the shock base, and the photos clearly show that that just isn't right. Since it's no harder to do it the right way than to do it a different way, I'll try to go ahead and do it the right way. And I will commit to be the guinea pig on at least the first 2-3 assemblies including posting finished weights and comparisons to the prototype design which I will keep on hand. At the end of it all, I'll also be willing to pass along my prototype to someone in the group that may not want to mess with it at all for $10 + postage which should just about cover the material consumption.
Onward and upward! Tom
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The weekend of work on the tailwheel also reminded me of another thing - Platt's Laws of Scale Modeling. While many of us will never compete with a model, I think there area lot of "truths" here about the ongoing quest to "get it right." Dave's last word on things that resonates with me is "when it's no more difficult to do a thing the right way than it is to do it a different way, why not just go ahead and do it the right way?" I'm a big fan of some of Platt's building techniques and enjoyed these too.
Platt's Laws of Scale Modeling
The following laws have been compiled from observations made over a lifetime of building competition scale models. It will be noticed that, like "Murphy's Law", while formulated for amusement, they are nevertheless true. Dave Platt
All of the best information on a subject arrives the day the model is completed, and proves conclusively that what you have done is wrong.
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