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1/6 Scale F4U Corsair Group Build - 4/5/2008 4:08:28 AM   
rwright142



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This thread is for documenting the build of the 1/6 scale F4U Corsair

For this build several individuals have planned, researched, and collaborated with one goal in mind - to build the finest, most detailed, and as historically accurate a Corsair they can.
To achieve this goal, we will be using Royal plans, engineering drawings from Vought and others, manuals, and CAD drawings created by a member of this thread, just to name a few. Parts will be supplied by several sources included some of members of this build team who have unselfishly offered their time and talents.

There will be many Corsairs built by many builders and of different variants. Some builders will closely follow plans, some will make changes, and some will incorporate add-ons such as navigation lights, canopies that open/close, etc. Each builder will also decide on their own markings, colors, weathering, etc. and many will post their progress here for others to view.

Since this is a collaboration, you will see Corsairs in various stages of build. You are welcome to join in at anytime and we welcome your input but we do have a few requests:
1. For the novice builder: the information presented here may be overwhelming. Before posting questions, send a personal message (PM) to the member of the build team whose post you wish to question. This will help keep the posts down to a manageable level. If the builder determines the question will benefit others then your question will be presented to the public.

2. For the advanced builder: any tips, techniques, suggestions, etc. you wish to offer will be greatly appreciated. It is your insight and experience that will help to make these Corsairs great.

3. All questions and comments are welcome however if you wish to ask something of one individual directly, please use the PM system when appropriate.

Our intent is to build in steps as outlined below:
1. Empennage
- Tail Wheel
- Horizontal Stabilizer
- Elevators
- Vertical Stabilizer
- Rudder

2. Fuselage
- Detailed Cockpit

3. Wings
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Some steps will have mini-steps. For example, some builders may want to include scale hinges, whereas some may decide to leave them as per the plans. As I've already mentioned, each builder has their own ideas for the final outcome of their Corsair. The following posts will present many alternatives so that any future builder can make their own decisions and will have reference material available.

In the posts to follow, each builder will identify themselves and will include their own personal vision of their Corsair. We hope you find our posts enlightening, informational, and enjoyable. We also hope they encourage you to get involved and become as fond of building and flying as we have, if not more so.

This Group Build is dedicated to the valiant men who flew, fought, or paid the ultimately price in the Corsair.
God bless them all.



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RE: 1/6 Scale F4U Corsair Group Build - 4/5/2008 4:13:12 AM   
rwright142



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Status: online 		My Corsair will be a F4U-1A and it will be modeled after #3 flown by LT (jg) Jim Strieg who flew with VF-17, the Jolly Rogers
Some of the details I would like to incorporate are:
A highly detailed cockpit.
An articulated pilot - hand on the throttle will move to simulate power management and the hand on the stick will move with elevator and aileron changes. His head will turn with aileron movement.
The canopy will open and close.


I'm looking forward to learning a lot and having fun.



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RE: 1/6 Scale F4U Corsair Group Build - 4/5/2008 9:07:12 AM   
abufletcher



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Status: online 		I believe there is already a thread like this on the Warbird forum that has already run into the hundreds of pages and includes an index at the top.

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RE: 1/6 Scale F4U Corsair Group Build - 4/5/2008 9:32:22 AM   
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ORIGINAL: abufletcher

I believe there is already a thread like this on the Warbird forum that has already run into the hundreds of pages and includes an index at the top.


You are partially correct. The thread that you mention is devoted to a kit build of the Top Flite Giant scale Corsair. This is a modified plans-built project at a 1/6 scale.

Tom

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RE: 1/6 Scale F4U Corsair Group Build - 4/5/2008 9:33:37 AM   
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Status: offline 		Dejavu, Mister Wright! Checking in again..and saluting. You got charged with the duty..darn it! Okay, everyone else report or expect dog rations!

I'll eventually put a little information about the prototype version, and pilot here..

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RE: 1/6 Scale F4U Corsair Group Build - 4/5/2008 9:43:33 AM   
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Status: online 		Glad to be part of this project! I'll be joined on the build by my friend Chris (rollo) who is in the shop working on things quite often as well.

We will also be modeling an F4U-1A - BuNo 17777 (or trip seven). Here's a bit more on why I'm attracted to this particular aircraft. If you look at a lot of the documentation, you will see that the aircraft was flown by 1st Lt Phillip C DeLong, VMF-112. As you dig deeper, you find that Lt DeLong did fly the airplane, and he also recorded kills in at least seven other Corsairs. Trip Seven met her end as a result of a rollover on 12/17/1943 while being flown by LT DJ Moore of VMF 214.

Updated: Well, scale documentation can be quite interesting, and it turns out that there is some ambiguity about who really crashed Trip 7. My initial research of the flight logs indicated that Trip 7 was crashed by Lt Donald J (Deejay) Moore. Lt Moore flew two tours and scored three kills with the Blacksheep prior to going missing on a mission over Rabaul the following January. A more recent book that I've just gotten gives a different end to the story. "The Black Sheep" by Bruce Gamble describes the crash as follows on p. 296-297:

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Then a few hours after Boyington's trip to Munda on Dec. 16, George Ashmun and Bob Bragdon brought hteir divisions into Torokina after a 3-hour Cherry Blossom patrol. Denny Groover, the last one down, got off the Marston mat, but he hit a gun emplacement and his Corsair flipped. " As it was going over, my only thought is that I was going to get my damned neck broke when this thing hit", he recalled. Fortunately he had lowered his seat enough that the armor plate and empennage cushioned the blow, but the vertical stabilizer was crushed flat. A few Marines helped the groggy pilot scratch his way out of the cockpit, then relieved him of his .45 and wristwatch. The mere fact that he had overturned two Corsairs in eleven days might have made a more superstitious pilot think about the side numbers of his planes. The first accident occurred in number 888, the second in number 777.
After flying both tours with the Blacksheep, Denny "Quill Skull" Groover returned to Macon, GA, got his law degree and practiced as a trial lawyer for the remainder of his career.

I like that Trip-7 represents the real nature of these aircraft. They were blunt instruments in a hostile environment. They got passed back and forth between squadrons as situations dictated. I still don't know that she was doing in Lt DeLongs hands with VMF-212 a couple of months earlier. Trip-7 has it's numbers randomly stenciled on, and has mixed markings applied in the field. She is interesting, because an ace happened to land in her a few times, but she came to a rough end in a bad landing and saved the life of a guy that went on to return to the states and have a long and properous career. For me this really tells the story of the role these airplanes played.

Comparing the two drawings below will also give you a sense of how far off the "scale" documentation can be on these aircraft. I'll be using the Paul Matt drawings as my primary reference and using the enlarged Royal 1/8 plans as secondary "how-to" information. The scale outline on the Royal plans is quite good, but I differ a bit with them on the best way to build an airplane from an engineering point of view.

We're just finishing up a 1/8 TopFlite Corsair that some of you may have seen in the 1/8 TF Corsair Mods thread on the Warbirds and Warplanes forum. We're excited to take the lessons learned and research from that project and apply them to a more true scale Corsair build at a size that will support the mods with a little bit more wing area.

At a minimum I'll do:
Scale tailwheel based on the Earl Aune design - done on 1/8 by Rollo - already in primer for this project
Scale operational cowl flaps - done on 1/8, but can be improved
Cowl top half removable at scale location - done on 1/8
Sliding canopy and scale cockpit - in progress on 1/8
Scale hinging throughout - done on 1/8, but can be improved
Custom lighting throughout - done on 1/8 by Rollo. If Rollo will sign up, we may take the lead on this part.
No exposed linkages unless in a scale location - done on 1/8, but I'm only about 80% happy with my work on the smaller one.

I'll tell you up front that I won't get everything right on the first try, so don't read my posts like a "how-to" manual. There will be some proven techniques in there, and you will also find some areas where I am making it up as I go along. And I will occasionally rip things apart and start over. So look for me to be on the fringe trying some new techniques to try to get this right. I have some particular passion about the gear doors as I haven't seen them done right (i.e. opening to the scale locations) in an elegant way. If I've missed it, please point me in the right direction because this is one of my top goals on this project.

This will probably be my first gasser, so I'll need some advice from the rest of you on that. I'm very excited about working with the other members of this build including both friends and neighbors here in the Seattle area and Corsair fans around the world. My shop is your shop for the next few months.

Tom

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RE: 1/6 Scale F4U Corsair Group Build - 4/5/2008 10:38:19 AM   
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Status: offline 		Tom, outstanding introduction! I really enjoyed that, and l'll stand by and hopefully check out similar intros. and hope we'll all appreciate it before we return to the hard work at hand. I'll have a short one about my pilot, and one plane he flew briefly. Maybe, RW tell us about Streig?

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RE: 1/6 Scale F4U Corsair Group Build - 4/5/2008 1:16:45 PM   
rwright142



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Status: online 		I agree - excellent intro Tom. I can't wait for the others to check in.




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RE: 1/6 Scale F4U Corsair Group Build - 4/5/2008 1:22:54 PM   
rwright142



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Status: online 		Tail wheel

It''s time to begin documenting the tail wheel build.

In early 1944, a longer tailwheel leg was installed to raise the tail, and reduce the directional stability problem. This also give the pilot better forward visibility for takeoff and landing.
The tires came in two types - hard rubber and inflatable. I''ve attached pictures to show the various types.

I will be using the shorter version because that is what the subject of my model had. Earl Aune originally made mine but most of the others here are making their own and will show their work.


Sources:
f4ucorsair.com
Vought

Tailwheel pictures (L to R)
Long, hard rubber
Long, Inflated
The short version
The short version per Vought engineering drawing


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RE: 1/6 Scale F4U Corsair Group Build - 4/5/2008 2:51:08 PM   
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RE: 1/6 Scale F4U Corsair Group Build - 4/5/2008 3:59:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		Sam reporting here. I haven't decided on the particular plane, but it will most likely be from VF 17, simply because I like the scheme and insignia. I'm leaning towards Blackburn's "Big Hog". I am currently trying to finish up a TFGS Corsair which I'm modeling after BU88391, a Goodyear FG1-D that is currently in New Zealand, performing at air shows. It is in the scheme of VF 17, number "8".
I've got a couple of tailwheel builds underway, hoping that my oldest son will join me on a dual build. I'll be using a gasser, but am not sure what engine yet. I"ve got a 3w-50 I may use. I'm hoping to be able to incorporate a sliding canopy with a detailed cockpit and nav lights. As I watch/participate and see how you other guys are adding scale details I will be incorporting many of your ideas.
I'm ordering some more PC board and if any of you need some parts for your tailwheels PM me and I'll see what I can do. I'm basically just using my drill press and hand file as a makeshift lathe, but so far it's turning out acceptable parts. I have noticed that there is a size difference in the parts between Chile's drawings and Luke's. I've been using Luke's as patterns and Chile's for reference.


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RE: 1/6 Scale F4U Corsair Group Build - 4/5/2008 7:10:40 PM   
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