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SunShyne -> Hangar 9 Fokker D VII ARF (4/7/2008 5:34:03 AM)

Anyone else see this? Hope my post isn't a re-post [:@]

http://www.hangar-9.com/Products/Default.aspx?ProdID=HAN4675

[image]http://www.hangar-9.com/ProdInfo/LargeImages/HAN4675.jpg[/image]

Looks very nice for an ARF. Its about time we are seeing ARF's of this type





Whistling Death -> RE: Hangar 9 Fokker D VII ARF (4/7/2008 5:44:35 AM)

Yes there was another thread about it but it has been a while.
That thing will put an end the domination of the skies by the Camel [:D]
Look out Snoopy!




TSHARK203 -> RE: Hangar 9 Fokker D VII ARF (4/7/2008 9:00:17 AM)

OR YOU COULD JUST DO THE BIG ONE INSTEAD OF THE SMALL BIRD. LARGE OR SMALL THE DVII IS A GREAT BIRD




craigss11 -> RE: Hangar 9 Fokker D VII ARF (4/7/2008 9:05:57 AM)

Would just love to get hold of one of these in my hangar[:)]
Just got to live long enough for Hangar 9 to actually release it LOL LOL LOL
Their saying late June,that's a laugh.
They said October 2007 for the B25 it's out to Late May 2008 that's 7 months late and counting,
They said March 2008 for the Pulse XT 60 now it's blown out to Early May,SOOOO Far
My wife buys me planes for Xmas and my Birthday,[lucky old bugger],still waiting for my B25 from 2007 Xmas and might be lucky to see it for 2008 Xmas the way these people are going.
I own 16 Hangar 9 planes out of a total of 17 models that I've got,but am starting to take a serious look at other manufacturers products that at least can deliver when promised.
It's a real bind that I love their product and am prepared to pay huge amounts for airfreight from the USA to Australia for them,however if they can't deliver in a timely manner I think it's time to spend my $$ elsewhere.
Cheers[8D]




rrudytoo -> RE: Hangar 9 Fokker D VII ARF (4/7/2008 2:34:12 PM)

craigss11,

I can't comment on the other Hangar 9 offerings but my local hobby shop has had their B-25 on the shelf for a couple of months now. Interesting! Maybe it is because you are outside of the United States but I don't know why that would be a factor.

You are so lucky to have a wife that supports your hobby. I could not imaging getting a thing hobby-related from mine. I gave up adding those things to my birthday wish lists because I knew I wouldn't get them. Count your blessings, Friend.

Al




Evil_Merlin -> RE: Hangar 9 Fokker D VII ARF (4/7/2008 3:13:37 PM)

One would think that Hangar 9 would realize that in the publicity photos the sub-wing is upside down... the bottoms of almost all subwings was light blue. In fact very few of them have been seen with a lozenge top too.

I can't wait till I finish my BUSA bird.




kahloq -> RE: Hangar 9 Fokker D VII ARF (4/7/2008 3:34:26 PM)

Its gotta be the AUS distributors because the H9 B-25 has been out since Oct 07. I know this since a friend of mine bought one and got the free .32 size 2 stroke motors already installed. He took them out and put OS 70's in the plane though. After checking Horizonhobbies website, it lists the plane as backorder until May 08. This is probably due to just waiting on another shipment to arrive from the manufacturer.
There are at least 2 of these sitting at one or our local hobby shops right now. If you really wanted, I could ship one to you. The retail price at most stores is $399, but this store usually sells things less then the standard price found at Horizonhobby.com(the parent of Hangar 9). I got the 1.50 size P-51 for $409 when they sell everywhere else for $499, so expect probably a 50 dollar reduction from the $399. The shipping though would be quite a bit I think, but you'd have it well before any other AUS dealer. I checked UPS.com and it gave me a rather high quote of $708. DHL was $900, but USPS(United States Post office) was $130 using Melbourne as the ship to location. The only problem with USPS is the size limit for non-freight packages. Girth is limited to 79 inches to AUS from what I was able to gather. Some countries go up to 108, but AUS was not listed.
If you know of some ship method cheaper that I could get for you, let me know.




Kmot -> RE: Hangar 9 Fokker D VII ARF (4/7/2008 4:47:55 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Evil_Merlin

One would think that Hangar 9 would realize that in the publicity photos the sub-wing is upside down... the bottoms of almost all subwings was light blue. In fact very few of them have been seen with a lozenge top too.

I can't wait till I finish my BUSA bird.

I think Hangar 9 got it right.




jmohn -> RE: Hangar 9 Fokker D VII ARF (4/7/2008 5:02:02 PM)

I already have one on order. They are saying it should ship this month. I sure hope so! My Nieuport 17 is ready to be retired, so I need a new WW1 plane.




kahloq -> RE: Hangar 9 Fokker D VII ARF (4/7/2008 5:53:18 PM)

Its an awesome looking plane. Id like to get one and do have a saito 91 sitting around that should work just fine....but it'll be a bit. Other projects in line first.

I could also just slap an e-flite Power 60 in it as I have the batteries available already....just glow sounds so much better.




dan4466 -> RE: Hangar 9 Fokker D VII ARF (4/7/2008 6:08:56 PM)

Pic from Toledo Show. Looked very, very nice!




Evil_Merlin -> RE: Hangar 9 Fokker D VII ARF (4/7/2008 6:16:00 PM)

Kmot it's possible I am wrong. As they are modeling Bethold's D.VII, the images I have of it are from a few different angles too, but I don't have them with me.




TSHARK203 -> RE: Hangar 9 Fokker D VII ARF (4/7/2008 6:46:16 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Evil_Merlin

Kmot it's possible I am wrong. As they are modeling Bethold's D.VII, the images I have of it are from a few different angles too, but I don't have them with me.

It is ment to be Bertholds plane but it is modeled as a later model DVII not an early as his was. Also his plane had the green streaks down the side it was not red all the way down. I will post a pic of his plane later.




Evil_Merlin -> RE: Hangar 9 Fokker D VII ARF (4/7/2008 7:07:49 PM)

Yeah it was an early Fokker build (Schwerin). Not too far off from the build I'm currently doing (a Jasta 10 bird).

Since the bird in question was built before D.376/18, it also would have no louvers.

Go here: http://www.flieger-album.de/fotoalben/fotoalben115/index.php

Go to album 15, and photo 56 shows his bird quite well. There is also evidence that the area around the cockpit was streaky red/brown not a solid red like the nose.

Some nice information on Berthold:

Hptm. Berthold was not a member of Jasta 15, at no time. At this point in time Hptm. Berthold was Kommandeur of Jage. Nr.2. His regimental colors of the 3rd Brandenburg Infantry Regiment nr.20 colors were dark blue and red trim. He first used these colors when he commanded Jasta 18 before he was shot down on 10 october 1917. When he was given command of Jage Nr.2 on 20 March 1918, he adopted his Jasta 18 markings of October 1917. These markings were adopted by the switched Jasta 18 to Jasta 15 by trading War Diaries with Jasta 15. Both units retain all their equipment and personnel, they just traded War Diaries. His Pfalz D.IIIa was painted in Jasta 15 markings, and Jasta 15 became Jage Nr.@ Stabs Jasta. With the Fok,D,VII he altered the color join from forward of the cockpit on the fuselage, to mid cockpit and that became his personal markings as Jage Nr.2 Kommandeur

And:

Photographs of late-production D.VIIs at the Fokker factory show the tailplane fabric running spanwise, as it did on the D.VI and D.VIIs from the other builders. However, it doesn't matter in this case, as the fabric was painted, not printed. I was confusing Berthold's machine with Hantelmann's! Sorry.

Berthold's early D.VII, having streaky top and sides, would have left the factory with a light blue underside to the fuselage, tailplane and undercarriage wing. The fuselage underside may have been overpainted by Jasta 15; there is no proof either way. Undersides of tailplane and axle wing probably remained in factory finish, as on Hantelmann's aircraft.

The undercarriage wing, being covered with plywood, was simply painted, first in streaky green with blue underside, later in plain olive green overall. No lozenges, ever!

Fokker introduced lozenge fabric on tail units apparently at some point in the mid-360s. 353/18 had a streaky tail, 368 a lozenged tail under the blue-black and white Jasta 18 paint (see IWM sample). The observant will note that this was slightly ahead of the switch to lozenges for the fuselage, which occurred between 368 and 382.




craigss11 -> RE: Hangar 9 Fokker D VII ARF (4/7/2008 8:49:32 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: kahloq

Its gotta be the AUS distributors because the H9 B-25 has been out since Oct 07. I know this since a friend of mine bought one and got the free .32 size 2 stroke motors already installed. He took them out and put OS 70's in the plane though. After checking Horizonhobbies website, it lists the plane as backorder until May 08. This is probably due to just waiting on another shipment to arrive from the manufacturer.
There are at least 2 of these sitting at one or our local hobby shops right now. If you really wanted, I could ship one to you. The retail price at most stores is $399, but this store usually sells things less then the standard price found at Horizonhobby.com(the parent of Hangar 9). I got the 1.50 size P-51 for $409 when they sell everywhere else for $499, so expect probably a 50 dollar reduction from the $399. The shipping though would be quite a bit I think, but you'd have it well before any other AUS dealer. I checked UPS.com and it gave me a rather high quote of $708. DHL was $900, but USPS(United States Post office) was $130 using Melbourne as the ship to location. The only problem with USPS is the size limit for non-freight packages. Girth is limited to 79 inches to AUS from what I was able to gather. Some countries go up to 108, but AUS was not listed.
If you know of some ship method cheaper that I could get for you, let me know.

It's not the Aus distributors,I can absolutely guarantee that,mainly because I buy all my planes,motors,servos etc direct from the USA[Our $ is actually worth a fair bit at present ,compared to the US$]and the only dealer of Hangar 9 products in Aus is a total DI#&*#AD[:'(]
The freight on an average plane is $150-$160UD$ direct to my door from the US in 3 working days,the freight costs aren't my gripe,
Compared to $30.00 in Aus to freight it around the country
My gripe is that the people that will actually sell to us are telling me that H9 can't supply the planes I'm looking for and ordering and paying for months in advance[:@]
Somebody is going to have their butt in a sling after I rip them a new one today on the phone
Thanks for the heads up on the fact that these models are in store in the US
Cheers[8D]




craigss11 -> RE: Hangar 9 Fokker D VII ARF (4/7/2008 9:01:59 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: rrudytoo

craigss11,

I can't comment on the other Hangar 9 offerings but my local hobby shop has had their B-25 on the shelf for a couple of months now. Interesting! Maybe it is because you are outside of the United States but I don't know why that would be a factor.

You are so lucky to have a wife that supports your hobby. I could not imaging getting a thing hobby-related from mine. I gave up adding those things to my birthday wish lists because I knew I wouldn't get them. Count your blessings, Friend.

Al


Thanks for all your help guys[:)]
I suppose I'm lucky that my wife supports my hobby[;)]
Still as she says"The cost of all my planes and equipment doesn't add up to more than I could spend on one bad w/end at my last hobby,Motorsport"[:D]
After 45 years it was time to slow down a tad
Don't understand what the problem with these models are,but as I posted earlier,somebody will be getting a colonoscopy
without the anesthetic LOL LOL
Cheers




vertical grimmace -> RE: Hangar 9 Fokker D VII ARF (4/7/2008 10:16:19 PM)

Looks like they have a video up of this thing flying. Looks like it flies good. The pilot is obviously more intent on having fun than making it look scale. Just a sport scale plane anyway I suppose.




kahloq -> RE: Hangar 9 Fokker D VII ARF (4/7/2008 11:41:31 PM)

I like your BalsaUSA one much better, but this H9 one is good for those of use without the time or skills to do a nice 1/5 or 1/4 scale D VII




vertical grimmace -> RE: Hangar 9 Fokker D VII ARF (4/8/2008 1:10:44 AM)

Thanks Kahlog, I just came in from my shop working on the continuing details of my DVII. I am getting it ready for the scale meet in Pueblo this summer.
DVII models fly very well and could be great fun flying aerobatics with a little too much power.
I really wish they would just come out with one that is all lozenged without any personal colors and then these could be added easily. Other than the very early models, The DVII came from the factory all lozenge. That is what makes modeling them accurately so difficult as it takes so much work to get them there.




kochj -> RE: Hangar 9 Fokker D VII ARF (4/8/2008 4:17:07 AM)

The H9 looks nice..... The motor needs some much dressing up.
The pilot looks like a goone patrol.... Thats about my only complaints...

Like I always say with most of the planes that are ARF's.....I really wish that it was LARGER.....Like 50cc size.... 1/4-1/3 scale
I don't have the time or the know how, to make one of the 1/3 sized..... Seems like it would be sooo much work.... All those scale details.....
Double edge sword, I guess.


Or a Albatros D.III 1/4 that I could place the OS inline 4-into.....
Perhaps that is a job for GP, being they import the things.....

Justin




kochj -> RE: Hangar 9 Fokker D VII ARF (4/8/2008 5:14:23 AM)

Landings could be harry as well.....
Those gear look close together.... Could be rock-a-bye-baby on those landings.....
At least it was on the H9 video ....




Evil_Merlin -> RE: Hangar 9 Fokker D VII ARF (4/8/2008 5:38:07 AM)

Very few planes came from the factory all lozenge until mid 1918. Until then most of the Fokker factory built had streaky green fuses with blue bottoms (turned turquoise by the dope). It wasn't till 377/18 that the printed lozenge fuse started.




Kmot -> RE: Hangar 9 Fokker D VII ARF (4/8/2008 6:59:53 AM)

It looks close enough for me. :p

I think this is a great looking ARF!




vertical grimmace -> RE: Hangar 9 Fokker D VII ARF (4/8/2008 4:28:18 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Evil_Merlin

Very few planes came from the factory all lozenge until mid 1918. Until then most of the Fokker factory built had streaky green fuses with blue bottoms (turned turquoise by the dope). It wasn't till 377/18 that the printed lozenge fuse started.

Evil, what do you consider mid 1918? I would consider May pretty close to mid-year. May is when the DVII arrived with most squadrons. There were a few that arrived in April but very few. The majority of this type arrived with mostly losenge fabric and having it absent makes it difficult to make the colors scale.
I must confess though that this thread is not the place to argue about scale accuracy as this aircraft is probably further away than any other offering we presently have.




Evil_Merlin -> RE: Hangar 9 Fokker D VII ARF (4/8/2008 6:16:52 PM)

I think it was late April early May, 1918 when Fokker started shipping lozenge fabric fuse planes to squadrons.
As I said it wasn't until 377/18 that Fokker started covering the fuse in lozenge.




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