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park pilot legal logo - 4/10/2008 7:08:12 PM   
mongo


 

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now all the worries about the legalities of park pilot member planes are solved. just look for the logo.

http://www.modelaircraft.org/parkflyer/Legal_Aircraft.aspx

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RE: park pilot legal logo - 4/10/2008 7:25:45 PM   
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ORIGINAL: mongo

oh boy,
now all the worries about the legalities of park pilot member planes are solved. just look for the logo.

http://www.modelaircraft.org/parkflyer/Legal_Aircraft.aspx

Right on time...legaleesing and licensing the hobby to death.

Q.Does your model have the mark?

A. Well…No.

Directive: you must not fly you loser.


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RE: park pilot legal logo - 4/10/2008 7:28:12 PM   
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ORIGINAL: littlecrankshaf


quote:

ORIGINAL: mongo

oh boy,
now all the worries about the legalities of park pilot member planes are solved. just look for the logo.

http://www.modelaircraft.org/parkflyer/Legal_Aircraft.aspx

Right on time...legaleesing and licensing the hobby to death.

Q.Does your model have the mark?

A. Well…No.

Directive: you must not fly you loser.




They need to change the "Bringing modelers together" to "We Fly Cheap"


Ronnie

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RE: park pilot legal logo - 4/10/2008 7:33:22 PM   
SSRCCPREZ



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Status: offline 		Love the logo!!! Looks great and a nice addition to the program. Looking forward to seeing these logos on the tail feathers of all Parker flyrs!!!
Let's give the AMA the due they deserve. This looks great and solves a few problems.

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RE: park pilot legal logo - 4/10/2008 7:51:17 PM   
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Looking forward to seeing these logos on the tail feathers of all Parker flyrs!!!


That pretty much precludes someone from building their own PF...must come in the box! the hobby takes another hit.

Now for my opioion;

Hate the logo!!! Looks like crap and is another flawed addition to the program. Not looking forward to seeing these logos on the tail feathers of any Parker flyer!!!
Let's give the AMA the due they deserve. This looks terrible and creates a few more problems.




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RE: park pilot legal logo - 4/10/2008 8:29:44 PM   
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Status: online 		The logo idea is kinda a good idea.

But I cite the V8 Vega as able to say it is frugal because it is a Vega,
as long as you dont notice the 400hp bigblock aftermarket engine. How do the stickers know if the 60w geared can is still in the foamie, or an aftermarket 350w Brushless.

Kinda rough on the bluecore FFF cutting guys too, do they get stickers?

Stickers will help newbies pick planes, that is true & good,
but it doesnt come close to solving any enforcement issues because it only applies to Stock models. Will SO's be tearing the stickers off planes that swap motors from 60w to 350w with a 7x6 prop?

Helpful, but not all-solving.

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RE: park pilot legal logo - 4/10/2008 8:39:33 PM   
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Status: offline 		Seriously, if I manufactured RTF models I would be more than hesitant to attest that a model I produced could never exceed 60 mph or would never weigh more than 2 pounds. Repairs, mods, and battery choices are infinite and might be construed against me unless I had the purchaser sign some legalese BS document.


From manufactures app for logo use: ”Park flyer models will weigh 2 pounds or less and be incapable of reaching speeds greater than 60 mph”


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RE: park pilot legal logo - 4/10/2008 9:25:21 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think I'll print some up to put on my DA-50 powered extra....

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RE: park pilot legal logo - 4/10/2008 9:38:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		Some of you guys will complain no matter what the AMA does.... There are guys like this at the field and when I talk to them, I really don't put any weight to anything they say. Smile and Nodd.... This is not to be the mark that all AMA clubs will look for, but it does help in the definition of what they allow. Compare sizes, power plants, and performance of the labeled models to the scratch builds. It is simple and a good idea, this is not the rise to Nazi power that you imply.

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RE: park pilot legal logo - 4/11/2008 2:21:13 AM   
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Status: offline 		And where does it say anything about putting this logo on tail of the plane. It is just trying to make it easier for the Park Flyers to identify a plane that fits into the catagory. This will be a great help to those of us that are not sure about a plane and that way we don't show up at the field with a plane that is to big. What in the world could possibly be wrong with that. No where does it say anything about a plane you scratch build having to have any logo. I don't have a scale and so I really don't know what a plane actually weighs when i get one of them fine ARF 's put together (did not say build for you modeler types). I don't know the actual weight of my 100 size planes either lol. But wanting to put the logo on the boxes is a Great Idea would make it so easy. Did you guys read it?

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RE: park pilot legal logo - 4/11/2008 3:12:39 AM   
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RE: park pilot legal logo - 4/11/2008 11:26:03 AM   
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Some of you guys will complain no matter what the AMA does.... There are guys like this at the field and when I talk to them, I really don't put any weight to anything they say. Smile and Nodd.... This is not to be the mark that all AMA clubs will look for, but it does help in the definition of what they allow. Compare sizes, power plants, and performance of the labeled models to the scratch builds. It is simple and a good idea, this is not the rise to Nazi power that you imply.

The problem is simple. If AMA is successful with this campaign all park flyers will be defined as they (the AMA) sees fit. 1/2A will not be generally accepted as park flyers any longer. Those slightly heavier but slower flying models or those slightly faster but lighter models will be precluded as well.

Every venue is unique and to define the model for all venues is ludicrous and will have far reaching negative consequences beyond these good intentions (road to hell).

I started flying slightly heaver but slower flying models with 1/2 a in parks long before park flying was even a term…there was nothing wrong with it then and there is certainly nothing wrong/illegal about it now and I prefer it to stay that way.


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RE: park pilot legal logo - 4/11/2008 12:20:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		Little to me this is just for the guys that are fairly new to give them some insight as to what is a Park Flyer size plane nothing more or less. You know what will and won't be considered a Park Flyer already it seems so what problem do you see. The Manufacturers might or might not want to put this logo on there planes. That will be up to them. But for me it would surely be a help as i don't kit or scratch build. Then all i have to do if i don't know if a plane i am buying is a Park Flyer size is to look at the box wala. Then if the club has a question of fitting in then all they have to do is look it up when they get home and wala. Your experienced enough to know yourself some are not. This helps the NOTS and does absulutly nothing to you NOTHING.
Now if it got to where you had to have a logo from AMA on your plane itself or not fly then that would be another thing entirely and i would be right with you but it is just to identify planes IN THE STORE. Before you come out with a Showtime 50 or something and think it fits into the Park Flyer catagory. That was just an example for you Everybody knows a Showtime will not fly 60mph anywhere anytime rofl. J/K It seems the best idea AMA has had in some time. Then us bottom feeding web crawlers will have some idea that the plane is actually the right size before we buy it and can't take it back. Thank You and have a good weekend fella's. Got to take a trip to MISSISSIPPI today.

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RE: park pilot legal logo - 4/11/2008 4:08:20 PM   
Acs_guitars



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The problem is simple. If AMA is successful with this campaign all park flyers will be defined as they (the AMA) sees fit. 1/2A will not be generally accepted as park flyers any longer. Those slightly heavier but slower flying models or those slightly faster but lighter models will be precluded as well.

Every venue is unique and to define the model for all venues is ludicrous and will have far reaching negative consequences beyond these good intentions (road to hell).

I started flying slightly heaver but slower flying models with 1/2 a in parks long before park flying was even a term…there was nothing wrong with it then and there is certainly nothing wrong/illegal about it now and I prefer it to stay that way.



I don't think this is meant to be used that way. The AMA is only searching out the definition of what a Park Flier is for membership purposes. If you have the PPP membership (which I think should NOT have been made, but that's another tangent) and you want fly a Sundowner F1 plane, you will have to get the full AMA membership to have insurance coverage and be allowed to fly at a club. ALL AMA clubs require this insurance through the AMA as a liability standard. With out this insurance the club is liable for any incident that may occur and Johny Blockhead would sue both the individuals involved and the club. In effect there would be NO clubs because of this. If you don't like the new rules, drop your AMA membership and go fly on your own, without any coverage at all... You don't have to fly at a club. I think the AMA should go back to the standard $58 a year member ship and drop all the Park Flier membership BS. They are only trying to accomodate those who have a park-sized plane and want to fly at a field (not sure why they want too, parks are everywhere). Evidently most of these people are too cheap to go for the yearly $58 and don't care to learn anything from the great magazine they put out. ---

It is all about insurance liability and I for one am happy to have such cheap insurance. I fly park fliers in parks and soccer fields in the evening when there are few people around, there is no need to go to a club for these. All of my .25 size and larger planes fly at the club where they can operate in the larger space needed.

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