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"Opinions are like-----------------"!!!!!!!!!!! - 4/12/2008 8:24:20 PM

papajeff

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OK, MEN (actually, in this case it seems that it is appropriate to say; "BOYS".....now you did it......
you, all of you by your words and actions, have unleashed the wrath of "PAPA POWER" and now comes the
well deserved lecture! Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.................Yeahhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!

It's time to get a grip on reality! We should all thank Greg Hahn for voicing his opinion on the subject of posting
on the modeling Web. He seems to have struck a nerve and has started a spirited discussion, right? He stated
his OPINION and we all know that old saying; "Opinions are like @$$ *^#&$......everyone has one!"

Now, basically, shame on you! Go to your rooms, right now! It's TIME OUT, for all of you! Here is the big
question; "What are we all doing?" We seem to be acting like little children....nanny, nanny, boo..boo!

I think that it is perfectly all right for an adult to, on occassion, act child-like. But, here it seems that a lot
of adults are acting "CHILDISH!" I see argument, criticism, ridicule, hostility and name-calling just because
someone has a different opinion or position on a particular subject. Come on......enough already! This
is our HOBBY....our escape from pressure....our relaxation.....our enjoyment.....our method to regain that
"child-like" wonder (WOW, it really can fly!"

.....it's our passion!

It's time to agree that it is OK to disagree! It's OK to state that a product or concept is good or bad,
in your opinion. It's OK to have an opinion and post it on any forum at all, as this is America, right?
But, let's do it with some appreciation, tolerance, patients and friendship. Let's learn from each other,
assist each other and help grow our hobby. Come on....you guys! Whatever happened to dignity,
praise, appreciation, friendship????? Let's get it on, brothers! Back to basics. Good over evil!

All right..............you can come out or your rooms and have some dinner. And after dinner, you
can go out and play with your little airplanes and think about what we learned today about
tolerance, understanding and opinions. And remember, Grandpa loves you!

"PAPA POWER"

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RE: "Opinions are like-----------------"!!!!!... - 4/12/2008 11:38:00 PM

Stickbuilder

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quote:

ORIGINAL: papajeff

OK, MEN (actually, in this case it seems that it is appropriate to say; "BOYS".....now you did it......
you, all of you by your words and actions, have unleashed the wrath of "PAPA POWER" and now comes the
well deserved lecture! Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.................Yeahhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!

It's time to get a grip on reality! We should all thank Greg Hahn for voicing his opinion on the subject of posting
on the modeling Web. He seems to have struck a nerve and has started a spirited discussion, right? He stated
his OPINION and we all know that old saying; "Opinions are like @$$ *^#&$......everyone has one!"

Now, basically, shame on you! Go to your rooms, right now! It's TIME OUT, for all of you! Here is the big
question; "What are we all doing?" We seem to be acting like little children....nanny, nanny, boo..boo!

I think that it is perfectly all right for an adult to, on occassion, act child-like. But, here it seems that a lot
of adults are acting "CHILDISH!" I see argument, criticism, ridicule, hostility and name-calling just because
someone has a different opinion or position on a particular subject. Come on......enough already! This
is our HOBBY....our escape from pressure....our relaxation.....our enjoyment.....our method to regain that
"child-like" wonder (WOW, it really can fly!" .....it's our passion!

It's time to agree that it is OK to disagree! It's OK to state that a product or concept is good or bad,
in your opinion. It's OK to have an opinion and post it on any forum at all, as this is America, right?
But, let's do it with some appreciation, tolerance, patients and friendship. Let's learn from each other,
assist each other and help grow our hobby. Come on....you guys! Whatever happened to dignity,
praise, appreciation, friendship????? Let's get it on, brothers! Back to basics. Good over evil!

All right..............you can come out or your rooms and have some dinner. And after dinner, you
can go out and play with your little airplanes and think about what we learned today about
tolerance, understanding and opinions. And remember, Grandpa loves you!

"PAPA POWER"

And I suppose that all the mirrors in your home are broken. You just did what you are saying that we did. You call us names, and have a little fit hemmorage that we don't agree with you. Now how much better a person does that make you?

Pappa power my A**!

Bill, AMA 4720

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RE: "Opinions are like-----------------"!!!!... - 4/12/2008 11:46:30 PM

STLPilot

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Yes Bill in regards to Greg Hahn, most were acting childish. Greg not only got the last word, he confirmed exactly what he was talking about by having the people that were against his opinion on the same level and beyond. Every word Papa said and like Greg Hahn said was spot on. Now realize it, improve it and move on.

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RE: "Opinions are like-----------------"!!!!!... - 4/13/2008 12:16:46 AM

papajeff

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Bill,

Thank you for your opinion, but it seems that you missed the point and were not in the mood for
a humorous, yet sincere, appraisal of the situation from my point of view. My intent was as stated;

"It's time to agree that it is OK to disagree! It's OK to state that a product or concept is good or bad,
in your opinion. It's OK to have an opinion and post it on any forum at all, as this is America, right?
But, let's do it with some appreciation, tolerance, patients and friendship. Let's learn from each other,
assist each other and help grow our hobby. Come on....you guys! Whatever happened to dignity,
praise, appreciation, friendship????? Let's get it on, brothers! Back to basics. Good over evil!"

Regards,

Papa Jeff

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RE: "Opinions are like-----------------"!!!!... - 4/13/2008 1:39:52 AM

The Toolman

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Looks like your right close to our ol buddy stl.
Is he a neighbor of yours?

Ronnie

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RE: "Opinions are like-----------------"!!!!... - 4/13/2008 4:13:14 AM

Hypersprint

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NO Papa Jeff, I think YOU missed the point.

If you and I want to sit here and discuss our OPINIONS of Ford vs Chevy thats fine and these would in fact be OUR OPINIONS.

BUT, when you tell me that if I drive a Chevy and bad mouth Fords's I am an IDIOT and I have no way to discuss this (as in, it was printed in a magazine) then it is no longer an opinion, you have now stated a FACT as you believe it to be, end of discussion.

< Message edited by Hypersprint -- 4/13/2008 4:23:33 AM >

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RE: "Opinions are like-----------------"!!!!!... - 4/13/2008 5:00:34 AM

JUGFLIER

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quote:

ORIGINAL: papajeff

Bill,

Thank you for your opinion, but it seems that you missed the point and were not in the mood for
a humorous, yet sincere, appraisal of the situation from my point of view. My intent was as stated;

"It's time to agree that it is OK to disagree! It's OK to state that a product or concept is good or bad,
in your opinion. It's OK to have an opinion and post it on any forum at all, as this is America, right?
But, let's do it with some appreciation, tolerance, patients and friendship. Let's learn from each other,
assist each other and help grow our hobby. Come on....you guys! Whatever happened to dignity,
praise, appreciation, friendship????? Let's get it on, brothers! Back to basics. Good over evil!"

Regards,

Papa Jeff

Papa Jeff,

I for one can see a good laugh now and then and see and appreciate the humor of your post.

Regarding GH's article in MA, I thought it was atrocious. The threats of Futaba, JR, and horizon leaving the hobby because they got their feelings hurt sounds more like the raqmblings of some one out of touch with reality. It sort of reminds me of the threats of a would be playground bully crossed with someone who says,"I amfrom the government, and i am here to help you."

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RE: "Opinions are like-"!!!!!!!!!!! - 4/14/2008 8:46:33 AM

littlecrankshaf

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quote:

ORIGINAL: papajeff

OK, MEN (actually, in this case it seems that it is appropriate to say; "BOYS".....now you did it......
you, all of you by your words and actions, have unleashed the wrath of "PAPA POWER" and now comes the
well deserved lecture! Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.................Yeahhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!

It''s time to get a grip on reality! We should all thank Greg Hahn for voicing his opinion on the subject of posting
on the modeling Web. He seems to have struck a nerve and has started a spirited discussion, right? He stated
his OPINION and we all know that old saying; "Opinions are like @$$ *^#&$......everyone has one!"

Now, basically, shame on you! Go to your rooms, right now! It''s TIME OUT, for all of you! Here is the big
question; "What are we all doing?" We seem to be acting like little children....nanny, nanny, boo..boo!

I think that it is perfectly all right for an adult to, on occassion, act child-like. But, here it seems that a lot
of adults are acting "CHILDISH!" I see argument, criticism, ridicule, hostility and name-calling just because
someone has a different opinion or position on a particular subject. Come on......enough already! This
is our HOBBY....our escape from pressure....our relaxation.....our enjoyment.....our method to regain that
"child-like" wonder (WOW, it really can fly!" .....it''s our passion!

It''s time to agree that it is OK to disagree! It''s OK to state that a product or concept is good or bad,
in your opinion. It''s OK to have an opinion and post it on any forum at all, as this is America, right?
But, let''s do it with some appreciation, tolerance, patients and friendship. Let''s learn from each other,
assist each other and help grow our hobby. Come on....you guys! Whatever happened to dignity,
praise, appreciation, friendship????? Let''s get it on, brothers! Back to basics. Good over evil!

All right..............you can come out or your rooms and have some dinner. And after dinner, you
can go out and play with your little airplanes and think about what we learned today about
tolerance, understanding and opinions. And remember, Grandpa loves you!

"PAPA POWER"

"Opinions are like-"!!!!!!!!!!!

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RE: "Opinions are like-"!!!!!!!!!!! - 4/14/2008 12:04:49 PM

papajeff

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Observation

"I see argument, criticism, ridicule, hostility and name-calling just because
someone has a different opinion or position on a particular subject. Come on......enough already! This
is our HOBBY....our escape from pressure....our relaxation.....our enjoyment.....our method to regain that
"child-like" wonder (WOW, it really can fly!" .....it's our passion!"

Opinion

"It's time to agree that it is OK to disagree! It's OK to state that a product or concept is good or bad,
in your opinion. It's OK to have an opinion and post it on any forum at all, as this is America, right?
But, let's do it with some appreciation, tolerance, patients and friendship. Let's learn from each other,
assist each other and help grow our hobby."

< Message edited by papajeff -- 4/14/2008 12:06:23 PM >

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RE: "Opinions are like-"!!!!!!!!!!! - 4/14/2008 3:56:20 PM

KidEpoxy

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PapaJeff-
Nice infusion of the PapaPower, the thraed could use more posts that bring a chuckle rather than sigh. While I dont stand behind you on your opinion this time, it will be fun reading more of your thread.

quote:

I see argument, criticism, ridicule, hostility and name-calling just because
someone has a different opinion or position on a particular subject

Oh, so you did read Hahn''s text.

Hanh had a message, one that has valid debatable support pro & con. Just as you chose an avenue of humorous barb to deliver your message, Hahn chose insult without humor, criticism, suspension of disbelief (mfgs pull out

). Hann has set back any real progress on cleaning up the ''net by fortifying his opposition in the ProductCriticism debate by a childish article.

PapaJeff, I believe you would have better communicated the message than Hahn (did), the PapaPower post should have been in MA rather than the namecalling text about Futaba/Horizon/ect pulling out of RC business. In the style of Bill Cosby, have some fun and we might just learn something by the end.

Those are my opinions on your opinion

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RE: "Opinions are like-"!!!!!!!!!!! - 4/14/2008 4:10:28 PM

Hossfly

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quote:

ORIGINAL: papajeff

Observation

"I see argument, criticism, ridicule, hostility and name-calling just because
someone has a different opinion or position on a particular subject. Come on......enough already! This
is our HOBBY....our escape from pressure....our relaxation.....our enjoyment.....our method to regain that
"child-like" wonder (WOW, it really can fly!" .....it''s our passion!"

"This is our HOBBY ..... .... it''s our passion" Sir, that statement is NOT an observation. That statement is ONLY your OPINION!

quote:

Opinion

"It''s time to agree that it is OK to disagree! It''s OK to state that a product or concept is good or bad,
in your opinion. It''s OK to have an opinion and post it on any forum at all, as this is America, right?
But, let''s do it with some appreciation, tolerance, patients and friendship. Let''s learn from each other,
assist each other and help grow our hobby."

What one says, promotes, argues, denies, or P & Ms about on these forums is between that individual and the owners of the forum/s. While I may enjoy the battles, I also recognize the simple "heated discussion atmosphere" and can accept such.

What the AMA hired Staff allowed to be placed in a magazine that I, along with all adult AMA Members, PAY FOR is another thing.
Yes, we pay for the magazine. Advertising does not. That Sir is a FACT that can be readily OBSERVED in the AMA Web site at http://www.modelaircraft.org/MembersOnly/financialstatements.aspx.

The AMA Staff degraded all AMA members, and actually everyone else, that uses these forums along with the Forum Hosts/Owners.
They used my, and all adult AMA members'', investment $$ in the promotion of this SPORT or hobby, whichever you prefer, to degrade those that frequent these forums.

Let AMA''s Staff reap that which they sow!

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RE: "Opinions are like-"!!!!!!!!!!! - 4/14/2008 4:31:28 PM

littlecrankshaf

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Hossfly

"This is our HOBBY ..... .... it''''s our passion" Sir, that statement is NOT an observation. That statement is ONLY your OPINION!

Good point...I think this Pappa guy must be stl or one of his puppets. Has about the right kind of spin to it.

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RE: "Opinions are like-"!!!!!!!!!!! - 4/14/2008 5:17:00 PM

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Once again I want to remind the group here to leave personal comments and insults out of the discussion. You may not agree with each other''s positions, but that''s no reason to attack that person. I''ve already closed down one thread because of this problem. If it continues I may be forced to start administrative actions on any members who attack other members.

Ken

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RE: "Opinions are like-"!!!!!!!!!!! - 4/14/2008 8:58:22 PM

Stickbuilder

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quote:

ORIGINAL: RCKen

Once again I want to remind the group here to leave personal comments and insults out of the discussion. You may not agree with each other''''s positions, but that''''s no reason to attack that person. I''''ve already closed down one thread because of this problem. If it continues I may be forced to start administrative actions on any members who attack other members.

Ken

Ken,

There is a fine line that differentiates Attacking, and maintenance of a defensive position. When someone comes into this forum and immediately goes on the offensive, we do tend to hold them accountable for their actions. I personally had never heard of this Original poster, prior to this thread, he just came on board with both guns blazing. There is some accountability maintained by the regulars in this forum. I think that this is what was happening. Kind of like protecting one''s turf.

Bill, AMA 4720

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RE: "Opinions are like-"!!!!!!!!!!! - 4/14/2008 11:08:10 PM

papajeff

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Ken,

"There is a fine line that differentiates Attack