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RE: P-38 Ziroli designed, built and aluminum plated by ... - 10/18/2008 2:18 AM   
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Hey Metalmorphus,

Great build you have going and i just love the plating process that you have... Just awesome.

Now in terms of shipping. I have plenty of items shipped to me in Australia, and USPS is my prefered shipping conmpany by a long shot. they are the cheapest and most effectiveand quickest i have used. UPS charge you a brokerage fee and local taxes when you receive the package, even if the taxes are not applicable!!!! and they are so slow. I do not buy items from companies who only use them due to the past bad experiences.

Fedex are also not too bad but are more expensive.

Now Australia is not Europe and i have found european shipping to be a slow tedious thing, but USPS all the way for me out of the USA.

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RE: P-38 Ziroli designed, built and aluminum plated by ... - 10/18/2008 10:56 AM   
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ticketec THANKS VERY MUCH FOR HELP!

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RE: P-38 Ziroli designed, built and aluminum plated by ... - 10/18/2008 9:44 PM   
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It just begun...

The short kit should be here shortly as well the 38 package (fiber booms etc...), I will go with Lenny's LG it just looks a tick better the the Robarts.

When the booms and cowls come in I will check if DA 85's fit in there, this gives me enough power to swing the scale size propellers. 23 to 24 inches depends on the clearance of the LG and the style Curtis Electric or Hamilton standard. It will be Solo propellers - nothing else, nice work and they just work perfect.


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RE: P-38 Ziroli designed, built and aluminum plated by ... - 10/19/2008 12:21 AM   
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G-Pete, I´m waiting for mine too, it should be here in about 2 weeks.
Where do you get the scale props for this bird?
I´m thinking about using Zenoha G-62s in mine, with the Toni Clark muffler and carb bend, and I ordered the fiber glass parts too.
Looking forward for your build as well.

Metal keep up the good work.

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RE: P-38 Ziroli designed, built and aluminum plated by ... - 10/19/2008 1:18 AM   
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hello G-Pete.ho seen the video of the Danish boy .. and he mounts two DA50 and you can tell that goes really fast ... I do not know maybe I speak from the profane but two 85 not believe that an excess?

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RE: P-38 Ziroli designed, built and aluminum plated by ... - 10/19/2008 1:25 AM   
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Click here for the propeller link Cool guy to deal with!

As for the power plant, with 2 G62 you pack almost 14 pounds of engine in there. The Lightning has to be light as possible because of the 1590 square inches of wing. Not much for that heavy bird. probably I will use flite-skin to shave some weight. .

The G62 do not produce more power then a DA50, DL50 or a 3MM53 - and with a electronic ignition conversion you are in the price range of the 3. I somehow understand when some guys put G62's in single engine fighters - they need the nose weight anyway and like to save $150. But the 38 is a different case...

As for scale, I plan to make the gun hoods to open and make the 5 guns visible. Started already on the drawings of the M2.50 cal Browning

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RE: P-38 Ziroli designed, built and aluminum plated by ... - 10/19/2008 1:30 AM   
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....my question here is:

Did they convert the M2 from a left hand feed to a right hand feed or the starboard side guns are mounted upside down?????

do someone know that??? thanks

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RE: P-38 Ziroli designed, built and aluminum plated by ... - 10/19/2008 1:35 AM   
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G-Pete,I was also looking at this link short time ago! .. I believe that if my finances I can afford Andro 'for sure about these.

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RE: P-38 Ziroli designed, built and aluminum plated by ... - 10/19/2008 1:41 AM   
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The shells eject out of the bottom of a M2 50 cal so I dont think they mounted them upside down that would cause a jamming problem . as for how they made them feed in the P38 i dont know
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RE: P-38 Ziroli designed, built and aluminum plated by ... - 10/19/2008 1:49 AM   
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hello G-Pete.ho seen the video of the Danish boy .. and he mounts two DA50 and you can tell that goes really fast ... I do not know maybe I speak from the profane but two 85 not believe that an excess?



first, there is never "too much" power in a warbird.

Second - as I explained, I need the power to swing a 23 to 24 inches propeller. I like to build scale and do not like static propellers. You have the power to fly the propeller in front or you don't ... That's like a GT40 with a Beetle chassis.

Speaking of Beetle, look here may you understand...there is a 90cc torch power plant in there to swing the 25 inch 4-blade (85 inch TF kit(

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RE: P-38 Ziroli designed, built and aluminum plated by ... - 10/19/2008 1:51 AM   
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....my question here is:

Did they convert the M2 from a left hand feed to a right hand feed or the starboard side guns are mounted upside down?????

do someone know that??? thanks

happy landings
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Heres some pics i found here http://forum.armyairforces.com/P38-Lightning-20-mm-Cannon-Feed-m143712.aspx

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RE: P-38 Ziroli designed, built and aluminum plated by ... - 10/19/2008 1:59 AM   
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The shells eject out of the bottom of a M2 50 cal so I dont think they mounted them upside down that would cause a jamming problem . as for how they made them feed in the P38 i dont know
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I know the shells come out the bottom...but what about the links? They have to go somewhere too, right? Miracle to me...

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RE: P-38 Ziroli designed, built and aluminum plated by ... - 10/19/2008 2:04 AM   
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woops i was wrong heres a vid of were the links go http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zxeSXdgT9U&feature=related

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RE: P-38 Ziroli designed, built and aluminum plated by ... - 10/19/2008 2:05 AM   
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With the two pictures side by side I can tell they reversed the feed. COOL\

Thank you!!


More research to do!

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RE: P-38 Ziroli designed, built and aluminum plated by ... - 10/19/2008 2:12 AM   
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I was wrong in the above post 238 so i eddit it to correct it sorry

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RE: P-38 Ziroli designed, built and aluminum plated by ... - 10/20/2008 6:29 AM   
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Hi G-Pete,
I have had similar thoughts about installing a pair of DA-85s and Solo props on a Robart P-38 that I am preparing to build. I agree, only a DA-85 will be light enough but strong enough to turn the near scale 24-25" Solo props. I've already talked to Carl at Solo at some length and he assures me they can make 24/25" Curtiss Electric pattern Solo props, both left and right hand rotation (I've seen pictures of a guy in Oz using smaller ones on a Z P38 with DA 50s). Oh, and the DA-85 will fit both a Z and Robart P38 with nothing but the plug caps sticking out the bottom of the cowls. (I've already checked the DA85 mechanical drawings against the Z P38 plans.) The motors should get plenty of cooling through the front air intakes and there are doors on the side and lower cowl we can open up for hot air venting.

That's the good news.

Now the bad. A couple of knowledgeable twin flyers have mentioned that with those BIG powerplants turning, an engine out situation will be especially dangerous for the DA-85 powered models. There will NOT be enough rudder to compensate for all that power on just one side. If you plan on using the Twin Synch system for your model ( I certainly will), we can use electronics to save us the snap and spin notification of an engine out. But after that, we'll have to be VERY judicious on the throttle of the remaining engine. Next, if you've searched some of the other RCU and RCSB threads, you will find various reports about some Solo prop units throwing a prop. The results have ALWAYS been catastrophic for the model. Now, I have heard Solo is correcting the cause of this rare but dangerous problem. But I don't know for sure. These reports seriously concern me. As an alternative, we can switch to nearly scale appearing 3-bladed Mejlic carbon fiber props. They are absolutely reliable; the 3D guys and several LARGE scale modelers have been using them with confidence and great success. But, no contra-rotating props are available. General consensus is that it is not really necessary to have contra-rotrating props on a Z/Robart P38, but it would be nice, and helpful in overcoming the P-factor. Oh, the DA guys also said they can mod the DA 85 for coutra-rotation for $35. No big deal.

And one last thing, my Robart P38 is nearly ALL glass; kinda like a big Yellow P38 design. I'm expecting it will be heavier than a built up Z P38, even with glass booms. Sooo, I'm planning to install true Fowler flaps on the model. This will give me much lower landing speeds AND lots more lift in the down and dirty flight regime. Plans for the Almes Z-P38 Fowler flaps can be obtained inexpensively thru the Model Airplane News plans service.

So, there you have it. The Good, the Bad and the Ugly. Ya pays your money and take's yer chances.

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RE: P-38 Ziroli designed, built and aluminum plated by ... - 10/20/2008 4:50 PM   
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Hi Lynn,

I did a search on both, RCU and RCSB – I could not find any posts with failing solos.

Carl told me to check the bolds after flying, no big deal. The main bold is tightened before every flight day anyway, because I take the propeller off for transport.

To the engine out, the 38 needs in an engine out rudder and throttle management. If the thrust comes from a bigger engine and less throttle or from a smaller engine with a little more throttle - that makes in my opinion no difference.
No turn, if possible, into the dead engine and bring her around for an emergency landing – even with the wind.

My feelings are mixed on the twinsync system. It will throttle down your live engine, so you have to throttle back to idle and throttle up. That means when you loose one pick up from the hall sensor it shuts one engine to idle and you have to go back to idle and throttle up again. Would be very stressful on a take off or landing.
There is a U-Tube video were this happened on a landing – at least that what they say in the RCSB post.

For syncing the engines I use my JR 9303 and make point program. Then the synchronizing of the engines are a easy thing to do.

My thought process was the same on the flaps. I ordered the plans already – they cost $14.95 plus shipping. As I mentioned before the wing load on this bird is very high and any square inch count. click here for the link


I hope you saved some of your searches about the solos and throw them in here…


Sorry for high jacking your thread Ron!

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RE: P-38 Ziroli designed, built and aluminum plated by ... - 10/20/2008 6:41 PM   
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G-Pete,
Though I dearly want to use Solo's on several of my large scale projects, RCU threads like this one, http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_5349526/mpage_17/key_/tm.htm (and others in RCU and RCSB for which I have not kept a link) bother me. Like I said, a number of the really big airplane builders have not been using Solo props for their projects. Wonder why? If I can be assured the props are as sound as fixed, carbon fiber props, I'll jump on 'em... even if they cost as much as they do now. For the moment however, I think I'll hold off.

Regarding the Twin Synch, here's my thoughts. Sure, good throttle management and rudder work will help you save a big P38 with a failed engine, but the first 2-3 seconds of the in-flight emergency are usually fatal. Since it is likely you won't hear the loss of one engine (when you're flying on a busy field or at a Fly In) at near full throttle, the first thing you'll notice on loss of an engine (in a '38 or most twins) is quick snap or if you're lucky, a fast roll toward the dead engine. Unless you're right on top of it, this will fast become a rapid spin that, unless you're high, will usually end in a dead airplane. I know, I've seen it first hand many times, with good pilots on the sticks. Though some planes (like Z P-61s) are tolerant of single engine flight, if you follow twin or warbird threads on RCU or RCSB, you'll see many records of twins killed by engine failure. The Twin Synch can help prevent this, or at least give you some time to catch up to the plane when you are surprised by an engine failure. Here's the sequence. 1. You're burning up the field with your Twin X along with a bunch of other warbirds. 2. For whatever reason, one of your model's engines quits. 3. The Twin Synch senses the engine failure (or rapid slow down if that's what happened) and either chops the good engine to a pre-set idle or retards the good engine to match the sick engine. 4. You, naturally push the throttle forward thinking, "Hmm. I'm slowing down". 5. Nothing happens except your model contines to slow. 6. Now you realize you have an Emergency. 6. YOU pull the throttles to idle, the good engine slows to idle and the dead / sick engine does too.
7. With a second or two to decide whether you can make the field, you push the throttle forward mixed WITH PROPER aileron and rudder inputs and steer the plane in toward the good engine to a controlled approach and hopefully uneventfull landing.

The difference here is the time you've been given from the Emergency to pilot input to recover the plane. The Twin Synch allows you to respond in a (semi) calm manner and manage the single engine condition properly. Without the Synch, unless you are a very quick, veteran twin flyer, you begin single engine flight operations from a stalled, spinning attitude. As I said, unless you're lucky enough to be high, your P38 will likely be about 1-2 mistakes lower than that need to recover the aircraft.

The point you made regarding automatic response on take offs is moot. You have two options under a failed engine on climb out. You could have de-selected the Twin Synch for take off; in which case the model either snaps and crashes under full power as normal or you're quick and lucky as either the operating Twin Synch or you pull the thottles to idle, point the nose toward the ground to gain/maintain airspeed and controllability, and idle in to a safe belly landing at the take-off end of the field (yeah, it COULD happen). The point being, you're gonna' come down, fast, when ever you have a failed engine on take off. Whether its you or the Twin Synch is immaterial. The same thing happens with many full sized twins.

It all comes down to this. Would you like another 4-6 seconds to plan for and execute a single engine Emergency or do you want to take your chances and use your Cat-like lightning reflexes to save you? For me, I guess I'm more of a Dog Man. Under Emergency conditions, the Twin Synch engine RPM synchronizer function is gravy. I'm thinking the auto-throttle management function is cheap insurance for a big twin or four-engined model.

Oh, and I have no financial association with either RCS or the Twin Synch manufacturer. I DO however know and trust one of the principal Twin Synch beta testers. He regularly flys great twins, all using the many (unmentioned) nice Twin Synch functions. He has taught me all I know about the technology. I've seen it first hand and it WORKS as advertised.

Sorry to take the thread off-topic, but as P38 drivers, we all should understand this subject and the options available to us.

Hope this helps.

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RE: P-38 Ziroli designed, built and aluminum plated by ... - 10/20/2008 7:28 PM   
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Well, I read the post carefully and the operator did not shut the engine down, even there was an odd sound. With parts flying over 300 feet away, he was at full throttle.
This for one, after that he made pictures – one picture shows clearly on the remaining blade of the hub is grass and dirt.

This tells me the propeller hit the grass first and then the propeller hub bolds sheared.

If you operate over 100cc and swing that large prop you should more careful and throttle back when there is an odd sound.
Then and only then, you can start complaining about a product.

A lot could go wrong, starting by over torque the screws. But again the tail lifted up and the propeller hit the ground – that simple.

(Nobody likes to admit that, hehehehe).


My opinion, (still) nothing wrong with the solo prop.

To answer you question why many scale builder use wood 2-blades, they are not judged by anyone nor judges.
Second, I saw the most beautiful warbirds build month and month- having the cheapest servos and propellers on and in it. Go to scale masters or top gun you will see a lot Zingers… PAH.

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RE: P-38 Ziroli designed, built and aluminum plated by ... - 10/20/2008 10:48 PM   
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Don't get me wrong. I REALLY would like to use Solo props but RCU thread inputs like the one I previously mentioned and this one ( I remembered another one) http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_7425221/mpage_3/key_Comp%2CArf%2CCorsair/tm.htm, spook me. Like I said before, you pay your money and take you chances.

That's about enough from me on this subject. Sorry for the diversion Ron.

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RE: P-38 Ziroli designed, built and aluminum plated by ... - 10/20/2008 10:57 PM   
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Rats, bad link. Hope this one works.

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RE: P-38 Ziroli designed, built and aluminum plated by ... - 10/27/2008 6:33 PM   
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Sorry guys but I have been away on business and will post some new pictures soon.

I have some bad news for AT6- USPS will not ship a box of this size. The box can not be more than 108 sq.in. and the box that the booms will be in come to 121 sq.in.
So if they are to be shipped to Italy I will be force to use Fed-ex.
The shipping will cost more than the booms, if it was up to me I would do it but I have seen the booms built from balsa and they look just as nice. AT6 will have to make this call.


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RE: P-38 Ziroli designed, built and aluminum plated by ... - 10/28/2008 12:29 AM   
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RON can you ship by on falcon post!!...this is possible?........P.s..i not understand!!!!->("if it was up to me I would do it but I have seen the booms built from balsa and they look just as nice. AT6 will have to make this call").....am sorry Ron can you are much more clear?....thanks again!...


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RE: P-38 Ziroli designed, built and aluminum plated by ... - 10/28/2008 3:37 AM   
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Hey G-Pete. Am I going to be able to see your soon to be new project at Warbirds Over The Rockies next year? If it turns out anything like your 47 then we all will be in for a treat!

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