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Shoot down airplane or not for noise???
Shoot the ^%$# down, he is a menace and deserves it!
  38% (24)
Even if you can safely shoot him down, that is wrong.
  61% (38)


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(last vote on : 7/16/2008 9:29:34 PM)
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Shoot down airplane or not for noise??? - 4/16/2008 6:12:06 AM   
PilotSmith



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Status: offline 		I have a dilemma. A friend has asked to borrow my radio to shoot down an airplane. Here is some background of why. There is a guy that flies a combat type wing airplane in a field that runs adjacent to residential homes. He has a small prop with a high speed brushless so the wing is obnoxiously loud. The dude has a habit of flying over the homes and diving down over their back yards and then pulling up over their yards. Many people that live along the park are pi$$ed at the noise and they are calling the police and the city to try to get them to ban flying in that park. I spoke to the guy a couple months ago and politely suggested that he should consider doing something to cut the noise so the neighbors don''t get all of us banned from using the park. He said he knew the law and what hours he can fly, etc. He pushes the hours to the limit and that plus the noise and the flying over the homes is getting people pretty upset. A couple neighbors went and spoke to him and he told them to f^(# off.

So here is where I get involved. One of these upset neighbors has asked that I loan him my radio so that when he is flying over his house he can turn on the radio and bring the airplane down. I don''t think that is right but the guy is a total a$$ and if he keeps flying the way he does I would guess soon nobody will be able to fly at that park. He has not listened to courteous warnings. He has cussed out neighbors that have asked him to curtail the noise. So in a way I think the guy deserves to lose the airplane.

What would you do any why? Talking to the guy will not work as that has been tried and it got ugly pretty quick. I don't think anyone wants to get in a fist fight over this with him.

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RE: Shoot down airplane or not for noise??? - 4/16/2008 9:22:03 AM   
tIANci



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Status: offline 		Pilot - yeah since he is so darn pig headed about it and since so many hate him then shoot his plane down. I mean its easy, just ensure the frequency is correct and voila ... immediate problem solved! He deserves it too!!!

Now then it might get even more fun ... the shooter can be sued for criminal damage by the pigheaded man since the shooter maliciously did it, sued by the neighbour for damage to property because the plane crashed through the upper floor bedroom window, sued by the neighbour for negligence because the plane crashed into their kid''s face ... the list can realistically go on. So why not? Shoot them down!

Seriously, this is so simple, there are laws for noise pollution ok. Its not about what time he starts or ends. Its about how loud it gets. Then you also have civil rights, this man is causing a nuisance, so tell him if he is keen to face a lawsuit, getting an injunction against him, then please by all means continue to do so. How nasty can he get facing a mob? Why no mob? Because all those affected wanna just b*tch and not really do something about it. Let's get real here ... he is not only a nuisance, if what you describe is accurate then he is a danger to those around him.

Oh yes ... if you knew what the radio was being used for, you can also be sued.

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RE: Shoot down airplane or not for noise??? - 4/16/2008 9:36:57 AM   
PilotSmith



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Status: offline 		yeah, it is a touchy one. If - I say IF - I loaned my radio I would loan it with an airplane and tell him that I am loaning it to him to fly my airplane. He is out there several days a week including early Saturday morning when people want to sleep in. One neighbor really got in his face with another but the guy is very rude and defiant. Nobody is going to waste the time and money to file a lawsuit. The cops have been out a couple times but as long as he is not flying outside of certain hours where they restrict noise they do nothing. I''m sure when the cops come around that he just throttles back and it is nice and quiet. Part of me says to loan the radio to let him shoot the **** down and another part also says it is not the right thing to do. Neighbor was so pissed a few days ago that he got out his air rifle and was going to try to shoot it out of the air with that! I convinced him that was not a good idea. With several people complaining it will probably be a matter of time before we see a sign go up saying RC models not allowed in the park. Too bad idiots like that keep shrinking the available places where people can fly.


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RE: Shoot down airplane or not for noise??? - 4/16/2008 9:52:39 AM   
tIANci



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Status: offline 		Dude - I got a real jerk from some forum who I would love to shoot down, he truly deserves it but then its like honour. We are in it for the hobby, let''s not start using our stuff to shoot things down. Once it starts there is no stopping it. Got to have some honour. What you can do is to go see your local council and go in one big group. That usually works. You stopped the air rifle, its no more dangerous than using your radio ... so the same should apply for you loaning your radio to a friend to fly his new plane ...

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RE: Shoot down airplane or not for noise??? - 4/16/2008 6:06:10 PM   
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Status: offline 		First, I would never loan my equipment out to someone to "shoot down" another pilot.

Second, what band is this a$$ flying on? 72MHz? 2.4GHz? 27MHz? If he's flying 72MHz or 27MHz, you'd need a transmitter with all the channels in that band to try to shoot him down (a frequency synthesizer module or a bunch of crystals/modules). If he's flying on the 2.4GHz band, you can't shoot him down.

I'd suggest this: Tell your friend that you really don't want to loan out equipment for such a purpose, and even if you did, the liklihood that your transmitter was on the same channel as the a$$ in question is slim to none, so it wouldn't do any good anyway.

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RE: Shoot down airplane or not for noise??? - 4/16/2008 6:18:08 PM   
vicman



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Status: online 		First, the poll isn''t working properly.
Second, you are a lawyer yourself and have most likely taken an ethics class or two.
Third, posting your evil plan in here most likely wasn''t too good of a plan just incase one of the other neighbors gets the same idea and a Tx from another source. Fingers will probably be pointed in your direction.

An accidental mid-air would be more appropriate. There is a good chance the neighbor would replace your killer bird too.


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RE: Shoot down airplane or not for noise??? - 4/16/2008 6:26:16 PM   
Mr. Mugen



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Status: online 		Wow...good luck man! Touchy situation for sure. Where I am from the cops might understand if he was shot down in a fair battle....

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RE: Shoot down airplane or not for noise??? - 4/16/2008 6:31:22 PM   
tommythecat



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Status: offline 		If he is flying over people''s homes, the park rules and noise ordinances aren''t the issue. It is a safety issue. If he truly flies low over houses and backyards then all a person has to do is call the police and file a complaint. I would guess that a fine for reckless endangerment would quickly curb his behavior.

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RE: Shoot down airplane or not for noise??? - 4/16/2008 7:18:53 PM   
PilotSmith



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Status: offline 		Hey Vicman! Yeah, I think I have been lawyering this over my head a bit and that is why I have not loaned my gear and stopped him from using his air gun. Simple things like this can turn into expensive lawsuits. He is flying 72mhz and I have a scanner and synthesizer radio. Would take less than 30 seconds to acquire and terminate the target. But even while the guy is a total @$$ it still didn''t seem right to do. I''m hoping you guys come up with some good ideas keeping in mind the following:

1) The police have been called out a couple times already and will not take any action unless he is flying during designated "quiet hours."
2) He has been asked politely asked by a modeler to tone it down so we don''t all get banned and he blew off that request.
3) When confronted with a small group of neighbors, he told them all to F off and it got pretty intense. Nobody is going to want to start a fight.

So I am hoping the collective wisdom over here can give some less drastic suggestions. If he would just quit dive bombing the yards that would cut down 80% of the tension. He is a newb as has been in the hobby less than a year. I actually gave him advice on setting up his gear, etc. hoping that when I spoke to him about his flying habits he would be amenable to listening to me. Was no use.

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RE: Shoot down airplane or not for noise??? - 4/16/2008 7:37:06 PM   
PilotSmith



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Status: offline 		As a funny side note, the guy that wants to use the air rifle is retired law enforcement. And by the way, 2 different neighbors which are not modelers have asked about "jamming" the frequency. People are reaching their patience limit...

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RE: Shoot down airplane or not for noise??? - 4/16/2008 7:58:08 PM   
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Status: online 		Get the city or who ever runs the park to require AMA to use the site. If the butt head doesn''t have AMA, problem solved as he can be run off by the cops for not being complaint. If he has AMA and is flying over homes, that is a big no-no according to AMA safety rules. He could then be banned from using the park for violation of established safety rules.

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RE: Shoot down airplane or not for noise??? - 4/16/2008 8:22:47 PM   
rogerswin



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Status: offline 		Instead of a total "shoot down", how about a bump or two with your transmitter to where he knows there is interference and he quits flying? Just don''t let him see where it''s coming from!


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RE: Shoot down airplane or not for noise??? - 4/16/2008 8:42:11 PM   
tommythecat



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Status: offline 		Well. If going to the fuzz with a wreckless endangerment (rather than a noise disturbance) complaint doesn''t get you anywhere, maybe you should just go tell him what is being discussed and explain that if he can''t learn to be respectful then he can expect to be shot down. Explain that you know what frequency he is on, and that you have a frequency scanner and a synth TX, that should get his attention in a hurry.

I still think (but I''m not sure) that if he is flying over homes and yards you can get the police to stop him, but you need to be persistent in explaining that your concern is over safety not noise.


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RE: Shoot down airplane or not for noise??? - 4/16/2008 9:43:27 PM