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RE: Goldberg Ultimate Biplane Engine - 6/18/2008 3:09:38 PM   
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Thanks for the gc measurements guys. I will need to double-check mine, but Im guessing its going to be a tad nose heavy.It still flies good, but Im going to experiment a little without getting the cg too far back .
John

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RE: Goldberg Ultimate Biplane Engine - 6/19/2008 12:09:26 AM   
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Was the TE a typo. It should be LE.

The Goldberg Ult has a huge CG range. It will fly anywhere close to the right spot. It will aslo fly very heavy with the right power.

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RE: Goldberg Ultimate Biplane Engine - 6/19/2008 12:32:13 AM   
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oh yep my bad...Leading Edge

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RE: Goldberg Ultimate Biplane Engine - 6/20/2008 9:08:30 AM   
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Hey fellas, managed to get a little more done through the week. My fiberglass specialties stuff came...nice workmanship. The landing gear isn't particularly light though but definately sturdy with 5mm thick aluminium! I think I will go with three 1/4" nylon bolts and blindnuts. Least the bolt will give way in a rough landing and HOPEFULLY prevent heaps of damage to the fuse.

Installed my 6v 2000mah hydrimax battery and the reciever....yes, got the damed silicone foam sheet in the end for the RC gear...that 1/2" stuff seems to be very plush. I may get take the fuel tank out and replace with the left over foam.

I also installed my antenna guide on the bottom of the inside of the fuse. I don't anticipate needing to remove the reciever at all but should I need to I will cross that bridge when I come to it. the tube can be removed easily enough after covering. Elevator wires will be on the top of the fuse (internally that is!). As you can see I put the battery a way back. I anticipate this will give me correct balance once all the cowling is one etc. Again...cross that bridge if/when I ome to it...easily moved. I may have to put the battery on the underside of me battery bracket to clear the rudder pull pull cables, but there should be about 10mm clearance between the two - see how we go!

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RE: Goldberg Ultimate Biplane Engine - 6/23/2008 3:56:19 AM   
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Falling,... looks like you are getting closer for sure, Its looking great, btw.
I took my ultimate out today to try and find some speed for it by trying several props. I started out with a APC look alike 16x8 that has a fake carbon fiber overlay on it , it looks like its a carbon fiber prop anyway, lol. I had stopped by the area police station located not too far from our flying field and asked if one of the officers on duty wouldnt mind stopping by later on and clock my plane for me, he said no problem. So once I arrived at the field, the policeman showed up a little later and he pulled to the side and end of the runway - (at a safe place mind you), so I took off and made a couple circuits and then showered down on the throttle. The first couple passes he clocked a 72, a 78 an 88 and an 83 mph. All this was with me flying into the appx 12 mph wind when he would clock me. My plane also has no canopy or cowling on it as of right now. So I landed, changed props to a 16x10 APC and noticed that I wasnt turning as many rpms as the first prop now- the 16x8 was turning 9200, the 16x10 was now turning 8800, so I thought this isnt going to be as good as the first runs , now that the rpms are down a little , so anyway I made a few circuits then opened her up full bore as I flew so the local police could clock me.The first pass yielded 89, then a 91, a 96 and finally a 99 mph! If anyone would have asked me, I would have swore the 16x10 prop would have seemed slower, but I guess the radar gun doesnt lie does it? Im just wondering if I will gain a tad more mph once I clean up the drag by mounting the canopy and cowling? Me and another club member are supposed to race our ultimates next weekend, he has the ARF version and mine is the kit built one. I would say that with what I ran with todays speeds, I'm a contender for the race next weekend - I hope!
Sorry , didnt mean to hijack your thread fallingleaf, I just wanted to share some info with you guys.
Thanks,
John

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RE: Goldberg Ultimate Biplane Engine - 6/23/2008 4:33:59 AM   
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That’s great new John! And don’t worry, always fun to hear about another ultimate, breaks up the monotony of ‘build updates’ from me! I think having the cowl and particularly the canopy off would generate a bit of drag for sure. Nice that the cops would do that for you…NZ police aren’t quite so accommodating I find!

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RE: Goldberg Ultimate Biplane Engine - 6/23/2008 9:17:54 AM   
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Mounted the LG I purchased from fiberglass specialties. The base plate of the LG was a little wide when placed hard against the fitted bottom wing, so I had to file a very shallow 'V' to allow the wing to sit properly. In the end (thanks to the advice of a fellow ANZAC) I use 1/4" nylon bolts and blind nuts for the LG....solid.

Having fitted the wheel axles I notice one wheel (right) is not sitting 90 degrees and on a slight angle so I will try and bend the LG out a little at the tip to correct this (appears to have been over bent in the factory). I use 3" dubro super light weight wheels and the stock wheel collars.

It also appears I was not supplied enough CA hinges so out with some of the Great PLanes ones to complete hinging on the top wing. The wing centres are all as smooth as I can get them and will hopefully show up good. I will be fitting the tail bracing wires next. I think its still a little nose heavy so the sullivan kit I have pictured should do well with the steel wire supplied with it. There is a kevlar option but given the nose weight I will go with the steel.

I know the Ultimate has 0 degrees up/down thrust but it appears that I have an ever so slight ammount of up thrust on mine grrr. Is this a huge issue or should I be placing afew washers behind the engine mount to correct it?

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RE: Goldberg Ultimate Biplane Engine - 6/23/2008 3:09:52 PM   
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Not to worry about the right thrust Leaf, mine has a small plywood shim to give me a little right and it does just fine. I would leave it there and try it .
John

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RE: Goldberg Ultimate Biplane Engine - 6/23/2008 8:44:01 PM   
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cheers JOhn, its a little UP thrust that I have

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RE: Goldberg Ultimate Biplane Engine - 6/23/2008 8:51:49 PM   
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Cheers Leaf,
Aaahh... a little up huh? My bad, I went back and re-read your post- I must have missed the up thrust and thought I read right thrust, sorry
I think I would get rid of that up . A little down and /or a little right will not hurt you, but I would shim the up thrust out with some washers behind the engine mount I think.
John

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RE: Goldberg Ultimate Biplane Engine - 6/23/2008 10:48:13 PM   
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yeah thats what I think I will do....with all that power in the 120ax it is going to want to go up naturally like a rocket as it is! I will just have to get it done right as there are already washers in there for right thrust too

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RE: Goldberg Ultimate Biplane Engine - 6/23/2008 11:03:17 PM   
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you'll be fine with a few washers- I had to do the same thing on another bipe with a saito 180 and it was no problem- It actually did a better job of take-off once I gave that plane a little right and down thrust. If I remember correctly, I had 2 or 3 washers for right and 2 for down.
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RE: Goldberg Ultimate Biplane Engine - 6/25/2008 6:27:09 PM   
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Hi:
I used only two washers for right thrust, I also guided my self by looking at the plans (measurements). After changing the engine (OS instead of a Magnum), I left the same right thrust set up and the plane flies true with not tendency to go left or right on long verticals. As per the up and down thrust I do not use any washers, it is just like in the plans. In my radio there are only two clicks of up elevator for trim.

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RE: Goldberg Ultimate Biplane Engine - 6/26/2008 6:16:38 AM   
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Well build is on hold really untill I can get the cowl cut and fitted for final balancing. I ordered a new dremel to cut it (figure they are a really useful tool so why not add it to the tool box). However there is a delay with the supplier so grr lol I guess I can fit the whell pants but rather use the high speed drill in the dremel to make the holes needed...don't want to chip the gelcoat with crusty normal dill bits

Is it standard practice to have the rudder pull cables crossing? I find it gives a better angle to the wire when existing the rear of the fuse.

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RE: Goldberg Ultimate Biplane Engine - 6/26/2008 5:22:28 PM   
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IMO Crossed cables reduce the work load of the servo extending its life (maybe an insignificant increment but physics also apply here), almost all pattern plane set ups are done crossing the cables.

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RE: Goldberg Ultimate Biplane Engine - 6/27/2008 12:03:53 AM   
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