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tony5548 -> AirPower new 5 port electronic valve (4/20/2008 7:32:02 PM)

Hitech technology valves, received immediately after the device, I feel great[:)]。

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KC36330 -> RE: AirPower new 5 port electronic valve (4/20/2008 10:49:07 PM)

Wow only 325 bucks, a bargin at twice the price........ [8|]



tony5548 -> RE: AirPower new 5 port electronic valve (4/23/2008 6:19:27 PM)

I like Innovative and convenient Manual mode allowing sequencing activation by button on valve, no TX necessary and Easily programmable with included function card.
[:)]

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lov2flyrc -> RE: AirPower new 5 port electronic valve (4/23/2008 6:30:26 PM)


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ORIGINAL: KC36330

Wow only 325 bucks, a bargin at twice the price........ [8|]


Kyron,
I dont think you have a grasp of what the product is? This unit essentially replaces two Jettronic Dual valves, Jettronic single action brake valve and an electronic sequencer..... Add it up, tell me which route is more economical [)]
This unit also provides more features than the above components!
Todd




KC36330 -> RE: AirPower new 5 port electronic valve (4/23/2008 6:41:28 PM)

Todd i fully grasp what all it does and sure I'd love to have two or three of them but in all honesty can't justify the cost.



Gary Szetlak -> RE: AirPower new 5 port electronic valve (4/23/2008 6:41:39 PM)

Todd, if you have looked into this product can you tell me how they wire/plumb for two doors open then close, and one door stays open? In the literature they indicate an additional valve is required, how is it actuated? The pdf manual doesn't show that. Looks like a nice product though. Thanks in advance.
Gary



Gordon Mc -> RE: AirPower new 5 port electronic valve (4/23/2008 7:03:39 PM)

I have one of these units from Todd, but thanks to the day job getting in the way I have not yet managed to play with it to give any opinions on it.

I have scanned the manual though, and will say that this is definitely an area that needs work if the product is to sell well.

Quotes / instructions like:

  • The array establishes the way, jump automatically according to the indicator lamp , easy to understand.
  • Varying some ways of establishing, 100% is suitable for EV-1U, EV-2U, EV-5U.
  • Single button - dispatch from the factory the preserving value and reply
  • Before link EV-5U , please enter the detail function to establish after choosing the way that you need first , after you finish all cards to establish , please don't close the power.
  • Before we propose you and carry on the way and establish , finish the brake way to choose first , and then carry on other ways to establish.
  • Please use EV-5U to label The wire of " Gear " and EV-PC card are link . Will see card " Connecting " blue LED shiny in the course of downloading of the materials, and LED's five times of EV-5U glimmers , this shows that finishes EV-5U function to establish .


Are nothing short of gibberish. Hopefully the product is worth the pain of dealing with the above.

Gordon



k_sonn -> RE: AirPower new 5 port electronic valve (4/23/2008 7:22:20 PM)

The valve is cool but who makes the Taiwan F-CK-1 fighter and is it available?

Kirk



R_Belluomini -> RE: AirPower new 5 port electronic valve (4/23/2008 7:44:18 PM)

Kirk,
I saw a post some time ago about this being a scratch built model.
There were not plans at that time to produce them commercially.



Jascat100 -> RE: AirPower new 5 port electronic valve (4/23/2008 8:20:03 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: lov2flyrc


quote:

ORIGINAL: KC36330

Wow only 325 bucks, a bargin at twice the price........ [8|]


Kyron,
I dont think you have a grasp of what the product is? This unit essentially replaces two Jettronic Dual valves, Jettronic single action brake valve and an electronic sequencer..... Add it up, tell me which route is more economical [)]
This unit also provides more features than the above components!
Todd




At least, if one of the less economic items goes belly up, it can easily be replaced at a lower cost than the bells & whistles single unit. Perhaps something worth noting.



AndyAndrews -> RE: AirPower new 5 port electronic valve (4/23/2008 8:24:38 PM)

Correct me if I am wrong (without calling me Stupid please - you know who you are), but I only see it replacing two non-critical servos and two valves (brake, and gear/doors) That's what $200.00 max? Now if you have complex doors and a sequencer it would be break even or even be ahead in the money.

I think the time and space savings is worth it though. Just think, no more linkages to worry about. I like it. Is the break proportional?



KC36330 -> RE: AirPower new 5 port electronic valve (4/23/2008 9:41:10 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Gary Szetlak

Todd, if you have looked into this product can you tell me how they wire/plumb for two doors open then close, and one door stays open?



Mode-3
Gear doors open up, undercarriage out, 2 doors close, 1 door stays open.
2 doors open up, undercarriage in, 3 doors close.(requires additional valve)



quote:

ORIGINAL: AndyAndrews

......... I only see it replacing two non-critical servos and two valves (break, and gear/doors)


it'll replace a dual action gear valve (gear up/gear down), a dual action door valve (door open/door close), the sequencer (self explanatory) and a single action valve (brakes on/brakes off).



lov2flyrc -> RE: AirPower new 5 port electronic valve (4/23/2008 10:18:23 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: AndyAndrews

Correct me if I am wrong (without calling me Stupid please - you know who you are), but I only see it replacing two non-critical servos and two valves (break, and gear/doors) That's what $200.00 max? Now if you have complex doors and a sequencer it would be break even or even be ahead in the money.

I think the time and space savings is worth it though. Just think, no more linkages to worry about. I like it. Is the break proportional?


Andy,
Sort of.... If you go mechanical, the unit would replace a sequencing valve (like the UP2/3) and a brake valve plus two servos to drive them (about 250.00). If you need High Flow (which the UP sequencing valves are not) for larger, heavier gear or for complex gear systems then you are replacing
2 Dual Valves
1 Single valve
1 sequencer
@ roughly 400.00. Thus, the Airpower unit is a less expensive unit.

Now, having played with this unit for a bit now, the only thing I would like to see improved is the brake pulse width in proportional mode is a little slow. While it does seem to work fairly well, it is not quite as proportional as the Jettonic unit but, it does seem to stop nicely without any brake locking. I have requested airpower change to the pulse width to give a bit more proportion on the valve as I think this is the only complaint users may have since they are already used to how the brand operates.
I am working on a real manual for the unit now, should have something in a week or so. Programming really is quite simple. Just set your desired functions into the programing card, plug the valve into the card and the program is downloaded, done! Only suggestion I will make is to make sure your ATV is set to 100% in both directions on both gear and brake channels.
Todd




Airforce7 -> RE: AirPower new 5 port electronic valve (4/23/2008 10:46:55 PM)

Todd,

You might want to stock the additional valve(s) as well. What do they cost? I'm interested in this unit and I'd need that extra valve for Mode 3 operation in order to leave a set of doors down around the nose strut.

Also, is there airflow adjustability with this unit or do you need to add a restrictor before/after the unit?

Ken



lov2flyrc -> RE: AirPower new 5 port electronic valve (4/23/2008 11:15:47 PM)

Extra valves are already in stock. The unit does not have speed adjustment so restrictors are required if you wish to slow the actuation speed down a bit.



rcjets_63 -> RE: AirPower new 5 port electronic valve (4/24/2008 12:56:02 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: KC36330

Todd i fully grasp what all it does and sure I'd love to have two or three of them but in all honesty can't justify the cost.



Geez, it's shiny, has buttons, and it goes in a jet. That's all the justification that I ever needed!



lov2flyrc -> RE: AirPower new 5 port electronic valve (4/24/2008 1:31:04 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: KC36330

Todd i fully grasp what all it does and sure I'd love to have two or three of them but in all honesty can't justify the cost.


I dont grasp this comment? Cant justify the cost compared to what??
quote:

Wow only 325 bucks, a bargin at twice the price........


At twice the price of WHAT?? Please explain...




KC36330 -> RE: AirPower new 5 port electronic valve (4/24/2008 2:39:05 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: lov2flyrc

I dont grasp this comment? Cant justify the cost compared to what??


two trigger valves, a single retract valve and three micro servos.

quote:

At twice the price of WHAT?? Please explain...


you can't possibly have never heard that sarcastic comment? meaning if it (the $325 gizmo above) was 650 bucks it would still be a bargain, hence the [8|]



CFII1974 -> RE: AirPower new 5 port electronic valve (4/24/2008 2:58:15 AM)

I put one of these in my small F-16 and they are very simple to operate and program. less plumbing at the end with only 5 total lines at the unit including brakes. The Manual feature is nice too. I will agree with others like Todd pointed out and say my one gripe would be the units pulse time for the brakes. It seems to only have only off, pulse (a single timing) and on. I would love to see it work like the Jetronic valve with its variable and rapid pulse times. That being said it did stop the plane without burning up the tires. Well worth the money in my eyes.

Dave



Typhoon Phil -> RE: AirPower new 5 port electronic valve (4/24/2008 7:32:47 AM)

Todd

I see you say that the unit can be used for retracts, sequence doors and a brake valve...... with only one connection (is this right) to the rx, how do you make it do all three functions? How does it differentiate the two different functions (retracts and brakes)??

Phil



extra 300 -> RE: AirPower new 5 port electronic valve (4/24/2008 11:16:35 AM)

What about air suply. Is it hooked to 1 air inlet or there are more then one port to hook air tanks.

Thanks.
Regards.



AndyAndrews -> RE: AirPower new 5 port electronic valve (4/24/2008 11:50:16 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: extra 300

What about air suply. Is it hooked to 1 air inlet or there are more then one port to hook air tanks.

Thanks.
Regards.


Ive started to use one single larger tank for BRAKES and gear on my jets. You could always tee off a single line with multiple tanks too. For someone who has been called stupid because they have only been in this hobby for a little over a year, what would be the "benefit" of dual tanks verses one large one, other than the obvious taking up space on the jet? Redundancy? Jet Tronic type valves using a lot of air for brakes?



rcjets_63 -> RE: AirPower new 5 port electronic valve (4/24/2008 12:38:14 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: AndyAndrews

Ive started to use one single larger tank for BRAKES and gear on my jets. You could always tee off a single line with multiple tanks too. For someone who has been called stupid because they have only been in this hobby for a little over a year, what would be the "benefit" of dual tanks verses one large one, other than the obvious taking up space on the jet? Redundancy? Jet Tronic type valves using a lot of air for brakes?



I use separate tanks in my jets for the following reasons:
- I find it easier to fit two smaller tanks than a single large tank (though the retract tank is typically larger than the brake)
- If there is a leak in the brake system, it doesn't compromise the retract system
- With Spring airs, if there is a leak in the retract system, the gear still extend but the brake system is not compromised

Jim



KC36330 -> RE: AirPower new 5 port electronic valve (4/24/2008 1:12:37 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: extra 300

What about air suply. Is it hooked to 1 air inlet or there are more then one port to hook air tanks.




one of the described features is dual/separate air input on the valve.



lov2flyrc -> RE: AirPower new 5 port electronic valve (4/24/2008 2:46:08 PM)

Hi Phil,
The unit has two RX leads one for gear and one for brake. It also provides separate air input for gear and brakes allowing use of independent supply tanks. Another nice feature is the brake actuation is disabled in the gear up position.

Andy,
It is fairly common to separate the systems so a leak in one or the other does not compromise the entire air system.

I am working with Airpower to incorporate a few changes to the valve to further enhance its capabilities and options.



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