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RE: Will the AMA be there? - 4/22/2008 3:54:13 PM

Silent-AV8R

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that MANY more people attend Joe Nall. That may be why the AMA selects that venue over Top Gun for the membership meeting.

AMA does not hold a "membership meeting" that I am aware of at any event other than the annual AMA show in Ontario, CA. AMA has limited resources and each of the District VPs has a separate budget for travel to events. It would be difficult for say a West Coast DVP to justify travel to Florida when they need to use that funding for travel within their own district. And I doubt anybody on the EC fails to make it to Top Gun because they "hate scale".

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RE: Will the AMA be there? - 4/22/2008 4:12:32 PM

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Since Greg Hahn is an AMA employee now, maybe he'll do a report. Why not call him directly at Muncie and ask? Couldn't hurt.

I hope not!!!

I just don’t see the relevance of AMA as it relates to their Top Gun participation…Top Gun is not an AMA competition event…doesn’t need to be…and that is fine…isn’t it???

FWIW if the Top Gun event has the effect of attracting someone new to the hobby they will undoubtedly be compelled to join the AMA anyway. We have covered that here in this forum to the inth degree….So way worry??? The AMA bureaucratic organization sure isn’t. Sort of like fishing in a fish bowl…and being the only fisherman. LOL

Again, I see no reason for AMA to be “officially represented” there. Matter of fact I think it is grand that they are not…shows the hobby is somehow greater than the AMA and I hope it always will be. Of course someone here will feel my viewpoint is warped and will twist the essence of my post to make me appear as an AMA hater…oh well….

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RE: Will the AMA be there? - 4/22/2008 4:58:56 PM

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Again, I see no reason for AMA to be “officially represented” there.

Oh but they will. What percentage of the pilots will be AMA members? Most likely all the American pilots. Officially represented? Members aer the official representatives and those people in Muncie are the ones that get paid to do the paperwork.

But if anyone wants to represent the AMA just a little more. Why not call them and ask for some marketing materials and co-host them within your booth. I've never done it before with the AMA, but I have done it with RCU and they were certainly willing to co-op within our booth, so why wouldn't Muncie send some materials?

I've seen this done many times before at full scale flying events and shows. Members of AOPA and EAA representing for THEIR org.

The members are the AMA, it's YOUR org ... so if you want it represented, like some here seem they want ... then do it.

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RE: Will the AMA be there? - 4/22/2008 5:36:34 PM

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that MANY more people attend Joe Nall. That may be why the AMA selects that venue over Top Gun for the membership meeting.

AMA does not hold a "membership meeting" that I am aware of at any event other than the annual AMA show in Ontario, CA. AMA has limited resources and each of the District VPs has a separate budget for travel to events. It would be difficult for say a West Coast DVP to justify travel to Florida when they need to use that funding for travel within their own district. And I doubt anybody on the EC fails to make it to Top Gun because they "hate scale".

OK Silent One, you stepped on the snake with this one.

1.) http://www.modelaircraft.org/search.aspx?query=Membership+meeting
AMA Membership Meeting - Posted on: 05/24/2007
AMA will hold a membership meeting at the 2007 Joe Nall Fly-In.
AMA will hold a membership meeting at the 2007 Joe Nall Fly-In. The Joe Nall event will be held at the Triple Tree Aerodrome in South Carolina, May 16-19. The membership meeting will be held on Thursday May 17 at 7 p.m.

2.) EC travel for major events is funded under Officer Travel. EC personal travel funding is that funding for within their districts as you mentioned. Your error is thinking that the district personal funds have to support AMA recognized events OUTSIDE the district.

2 Strikes, no balls. Keep your eye on that next pitch.

And for ALL TO SEE: TOP GUN IS AN AMA SANCTIONED EVENT.

Check your April MA, page 183, 2nd event listed on left column. CLASS B CONTEST: Restricted entry CONTEST. Or you can go to the events listing in the AMA Web.

That means all those foreign entrants outside of Canada, will have to join the AMA which I see as $28 for insurance only.

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RE: Will the AMA be there? - 4/22/2008 5:58:25 PM

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OK Silent One, you stepped on the snake with this one.

Well there we are, the Gotcha' that RCU is all about. I will amend my statement about membership meetings. And as I said, I was not aware since I have never been to the Joe Nall.

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2.) EC travel for major events is funded under Officer Travel. EC personal travel funding is that funding for within their districts as you mentioned. Your error is thinking that the district personal funds have to support AMA recognized events OUTSIDE the district.

The fact remains that the budget is not unlimited. Can you point to other events that the EC attends en masse'? And that budget for Officer Travel also covers attending Council meetings etc. So again, it is not unlimited.

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2 Strikes, no balls. Keep your eye on that next pitch.

And this is what it is all about, right??

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And for ALL TO SEE: TOP GUN IS AN AMA SANCTIONED EVENT.

Yes it is. So how does that have any bearing on the question of why the EC is not coming to it??

Oh well.

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RE: Will the AMA be there? - 4/22/2008 6:42:55 PM

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Again, I see no reason for AMA to be “officially represented” there.
Oh but they will. What percentage of the pilots will be AMA members? Most likely all the American pilots. Officially represented? Members aer the official representatives and those people in Muncie are the ones that get paid to do the paperwork.

But if anyone wants to represent the AMA just a little more. Why not call them and ask for some marketing materials and co-host them within your booth. I've never done it before with the AMA, but I have done it with RCU and they were certainly willing to co-op within our booth, so why wouldn't Muncie send some materials?

I've seen this done many times before at full scale flying events and shows. Members of AOPA and EAA representing for THEIR org.

The members are the AMA, it's YOUR org ... so if you want it represented, like some here seem they want ... then do it.

stl,

I don't have a booth. I would not have time to pass out any information to prospective members (even if I had the materials). I'm busy static judging the models, and I only have 15 minutes for each one, and the line forms to the rear. We have 4 scheduled per hour, and only a short lunch break.

Bill, AMA 4720

Silent AV8R,

You are an argumentative little fuzz ball aren't you? There is actually life on the planet east of the Continental Divide. Yes, there was a membership meeting at the Nall last year. Did you think I posted that for drill, or what? It is just as close to Florida for the California DVP to travel, as it is to California for the District V DVP to travel. Why would you think that your event is more important?

Bill, AMA 4720

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RE: Will the AMA be there? - 4/22/2008 8:11:46 PM

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Our club host one one of the nicest float flyin's in Ohio. We have invited the DIII VP each year now for 5 years. We don't expect him to show, but he could at least acnknowledge the email we send him. I don't think it is asking too much to acknowledge the invite, I just think it is rude not too! We'll send him another one this year with no expectations.

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RE: Will the AMA be there? - 4/22/2008 8:33:06 PM

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Our club host one one of the nicest float flyin's in Ohio. We have invited the DIII VP each year now for 5 years. We don't expect him to show, but he could at least acnknowledge the email we send him. I don't think it is asking too much to acknowledge the invite, I just think it is rude not too! We'll send him another one this year with no expectations.

Why should Brown give a Hoot about you? He's been there since at least '96 because I spoke with him about some items there at Muncie in summer of '96.
You folks let him run unopposed over and over. Certainly one of your people is a Leader Member or could obtain such within a few days. Run against him. Nothing to it. Check Apr. MA page 167 for a start.

Do yourself and your district a favor. Let Brown at least have a chance to determine if he really needs to get active or not. Show some defiance!

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RE: Will the AMA be there? - 4/22/2008 10:03:33 PM

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I would not care if NO officials of the AMA, USAF, the Pope, or George Bush did not show up.

I still like the event as presented. It is a static & flying modelers escape to what, I could be.

Many other modelers feel the same way, by the turnouts.

Even enjoyable privately funded, I believe, events get torn apart here.

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RE: Will the AMA be there? - 4/22/2008 10:40:33 PM

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Yes, there was a membership meeting at the Nall last year. Did you think I posted that for drill, or what? It is just as close to Florida for the California DVP to travel, as it is to California for the District V DVP to travel. Why would you think that your event is more important?

You keep missing my point. And what is "my event?"

For the record, I've NEVER seen any DVP at an event out here except for our local one. I keep trying to say that nobody is slighting you, scale, Top Gun, etc. And I admitted my error about the membership meeting. I've never been to Joe Nall and was not tracking what went on there.

FWIW, several of the District X AVPs have taken it upon themselves to set up and man a booth at the first annual Electric Flight Expo in Phoenix this weekend. There will be a booth there with info on the AMA, etc. This event is expected to attract literally THOUSANDs of spectators. It is being held in the stadium where the Super Bowl was played and is being heavily advertised in the local media. And for the record, I don't fly electrics. (Well I do have 1 electric glider that has not been in the air in over a year if that counts).

http://www.efexpo.com/home.aspx

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RE: Will the AMA be there? - 4/23/2008 1:26:43 AM

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The Tucson Aerobatic Shootout, Joe Nall, etc. Certainly none of the soaring events (like Visalia, where we ge 300+ entries). So maybe it is a bigger question.

I know that in my District the VP works hard at getting around and we as AVPs also attend and report on events.

Sir,

I think that you kind of alluded to these events that are in your general area of residence. Last time I checked, Visalia was in California, and I don't think that they have moved it. You also stated that the AMA held a membership meeting in your area as well. Does it not follow that they could at least have a representative at the other Major events as well. I got the feeling from your first post, that you had an axe to grind with me. So far, you have not proven me wrong.

Bill, AMA 4720

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RE: Will the AMA be there? - 4/23/2008 2:18:07 AM

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The Tucson Aerobatic Shootout, Joe Nall, etc. Certainly none of the soaring events (like Visalia, where we ge 300+ entries). So maybe it is a bigger question.

I know that in my District the VP works hard at getting around and we as AVPs also attend and report on events.

Sir,

I think that you kind of alluded to these events that are in your general area of residence. Last time I checked, Visalia was in California, and I don't think that they have moved it. You also stated that the AMA held a membership meeting in your area as well. Does it not follow that they could at least have a representative at the other Major events as well. I got the feeling from your first post, that you had an axe to grind with me. So far, you have not proven me wrong.

Bill, AMA 4720

I think what we have here is a failure to communicate. Yes, Tucson and Visalia are in my neck of the woods. And I have never seen any member of the EC outside of Rich Hanson at either one of these events. I guess I failed to make that clear. Heck, we had a major soaring event in MUNCIE and NOT one member of the EC came out. In fact, only a couple of staff people came out. So go figure. They must hate soaring too.

What I am trying desperately to make clear to you is that the EC is not known for attending events as a group. If an EC member does attend an event it is usually one within their own District.

And as I have now stated three times, I was mistaken about the membership meetings. I did not know that they held one at Joe Nall.

But you seem stuck on thinking that I hate scale, or the EC hates scale or whatever.

Am I getting my point across at all??

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RE: Will the AMA be there? - 4/23/2008 5:17:26 AM

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I just can't get rid of this image of an angry kid tugging at his moms dress because he isn't getting enough attention........

[above commentary aimed at the topic of this thread]

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