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RE: 8.8X9.75 @ 19,300+ ! - 5/16/2008 10:33:58 PM   
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No, the header will not mount. Muffler bolt pattern matchs a ST 40-50 - wider than the OS46.

The pipe would be the same.

Looks like you have somewhat of a collectors item there



Bob,
"collectors item" does that mean it's not as good as a later model? The seller said it is only 'slightly used'!

Can I buy a new muffler to fit this engine?

Thanks,

Med


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RE: 8.8X9.75 @ 19,300+ ! - 5/17/2008 4:05:35 AM   
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Anybody know anything about tis engine? k&b 6.5. Where is the throttle?

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RE: 8.8X9.75 @ 19,300+ ! - 5/17/2008 4:08:07 AM   
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Here it is.

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RE: 8.8X9.75 @ 19,300+ ! - 5/17/2008 4:59:42 AM   
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No throttle...WFO or nuthin'
That is what was commonly called the Control Line or Free Flight version.

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RE: 8.8X9.75 @ 19,300+ ! - 5/17/2008 5:46:49 AM   
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Ya, the only throttled version of this engine came in pink.

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RE: 8.8X9.75 @ 19,300+ ! - 5/18/2008 9:20:06 PM   
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I got another video. This flight shown has a 8.75X 9.5 NN and it was just OK. I broke my only 8.8X9.25 earlier at launch. The no wind launches are much more difficult with this one and I think it's because it's on the heavy side at 4+ pounds. The heavy DF engine, the 5 cell AA pack aft of the rear spar, needed to balance the engine and power the two hungry HS-5955 TG servos and the extra reinforcement up front makes the wing loading high for a clipped wing Diamond Dust. Perhaps a Jett 60LX FIRE and a 2/3 A 5 cell pack just ahead of the rear spar would be a lighter setup.

I think I need have the right wing lower at launch and more Alpha. What do you guys think? I'm only interested in hand launch options for now.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A53Q6EeMR6Q


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RE: 8.8X9.75 @ 19,300+ ! - 5/18/2008 10:34:01 PM   
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I got another video. This flight shown has a 8.75X 9.5 NN and it was just OK. I broke my only 8.8X9.25 earlier at launch. The no wind launches are much more difficult with this one and I think it's because it's on the heavy side at 4+ pounds. The heavy DF engine, the 5 cell AA pack aft of the rear spar, needed to balance the engine and power the two hungry HS-5955 TG servos and the extra reinforcement up front makes the wing loading high for a clipped wing Diamond Dust. Perhaps a Jett 60LX FIRE and a 2/3 A 5 cell pack just ahead of the rear spar would be a lighter setup.

I think I need have the right wing lower at launch and more Alpha. What do you guys think? I'm only interested in hand launch options for now.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A53Q6EeMR6Q


I did a Doppler check into the wind at the 2:12 mark.
Speed was 125 mph and the rpm was 20,094 rpm
Props can make a big difference. NN may not be a good choice.
I love jerking to vertical during a low high speed pass.
I launch mine right wing down about 20* and not as nose high. Yours is a little heavy but you still have more thrust then weight. Yours did a little spaz act just after launch.

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RE: 8.8X9.75 @ 19,300+ ! - 5/18/2008 11:03:20 PM   
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I know the NN props are not the ticket, I looked at it as a sacrificial prop in case it got hungy for dirt. It sure seamed a heck of a lot faster than 125, but I know it was down on speed.

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RE: 8.8X9.75 @ 19,300+ ! - 5/19/2008 12:27:34 AM   
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This doesn't come up very often, but in this planes' case, the normal span version might be faster? It wouldn't weigh much more and maybe the clipped version needs too much AOA at 4 pounds?
I've never seen this model of engine in person, are there any places where significant weight can be removed, or steel parts replaced with aluminum?
20,500 @125 mph sounds like a dragster that lost traction at 1/2 track

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RE: 8.8X9.75 @ 19,300+ ! - 5/19/2008 12:51:35 AM   
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There were not that many passes on that tape that were good for a Doppler check. There were probably faster passes but I only checked one. Plus it was into the wind.

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RE: 8.8X9.75 @ 19,300+ ! - 5/19/2008 1:17:29 AM   
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CP, the engine case is real thick and yes I think the standard version DD may be the way to go, it's easier to make too.

Mike, it is what it is and it was slow. And the audio and passes were only fair. I'm going to try a few things, launch, pipes and props (one at a time). I'm no longer afraid of hurting this engine/plane so it's fly or die

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RE: 8.8X9.75 @ 19,300+ ! - 5/19/2008 1:23:07 AM   
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No, the header will not mount. Muffler bolt pattern matchs a ST 40-50 - wider than the OS46.

The pipe would be the same.

Looks like you have somewhat of a collectors item there



Bob,
"collectors item" does that mean it's not as good as a later model? The seller said it is only 'slightly used'!

Can I buy a new muffler to fit this engine?

Thanks,

Med





You can buy a new muffler for it. You will want the standard 46-50 size version.

The carb is an older style two-needle carb (at least 7 years old). The engines started shipping with remote needles in 2001. But from the double needles you show there, which was a 1994ish style carb, it might be older than that unless it was mixed/matched a bit.

Plus the crankcase is a key. Notice the displacment stamped on it. That was done early on only. Dub marks the engiens and signs them. See if there is a mark and number/date on the bottom of the crankcase.

It should run ok...... make sure there is no rust inside and the bearings are in good shape. Ensure the carb barrel rotates freely.


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RE: 8.8X9.75 @ 19,300+ ! - 5/19/2008 1:25:39 AM   
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FF, One thing is for sure...the power is there, but there might be more lurking with a prop change.
What is the I.D. of the venturi?

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RE: 8.8X9.75 @ 19,300+ ! - 5/19/2008 3:24:44 AM   
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The venturi is .437" or 11.12 mm

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RE: 8.8X9.75 @ 19,300+ ! - 5/19/2008 4:09:51 AM   
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I'm sure a company like OS with a good size budget for R&D would carefully select the venturi size to give the engine good all around behavior.
Mass produced performance engines share common rpm limiting features. Throttles with venturis sized for fuel draw & heavy pistons with no SPI sacrifice unloaded rpm.
Take as much weight out of the piston, rod and wrist pin as you can and see what happens to the redline. Oval shaping the rod beam works. Right now the engine is turning about 350 cycles per second, micro-grams add up, especially if the engine is to go faster.
The pathways into the transfer ports when the piston is at BDC are usually restrictive due to machining limitations, look to see where those passages can be opened and straightened.....hog out anything that is needed to accomplish that, including notching the piston skirt. I'll bet this engine can be made to pull a usable prop a little faster?
A few years ago I did this stuff to a K&B 6.5 and it responded nicely. Rebalancing the crank took 1 WAG to get right. Less reciprocating mass makes the balance less critical...but I realize I was lucky to get it on the first try.
The neat thing about these mods is that they can be done without fancy tools and they are safer to try than WAG timing mods.

Oh ya, another thought..... unshrouding the bottom of the transfer passages isn't needed in some engines I've looked at.....in fact those engines might have benefitted from having less crankcase volume to improve pumping action. A rear intake engine with a disk valve has less crankcase volume than a hollow crank engine, that should be an advantage....but the disk takes power to turn. The disk is something I've never messed with, it's always looked like something I could ruin.

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