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RE: Your thoughts after reading JR 12X manual - 4/26/2008 8:52:19 PM   
PJ_TankPilot



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I can hardly wait to get the 12x.

I have friends that will get the 12X.

I know that they will try to thrust one into my hands so I can ‘Feel the Difference’.

I will RESIST. [)]



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RE: Your thoughts after reading JR 12X manual - 4/26/2008 9:08:43 PM   
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I have friends that will get the 12X.

I know that they will try to thrust one into my hands so I can ‘Feel the Difference’.

I will RESIST. [)]


Resistance is futile!


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RE: Your thoughts after reading JR 12X manual - 4/26/2008 9:59:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		The upgrade from the past systems by BOTH JR and Futaba is quite noticable
for one, the new dedicated 2.4 setups ( also the 2.4 12x module and the top end Futaba ) have better servo "matching
I hope Futaba has added a save function to their TX so that the power switch can be operated at any on/off speed .
I would be VERY surprised if they failed to do that .
The new Airtronics 2.4 TX aimed at glider folks has a whole bunch of nice glider setups -as they have aimed their products to that market
By the way ,at latest F3J glider meet in Europe - some contestants were using -very successfully - the DSM2 JR equipment .
The all carbon models worked well - the positioning of the rx's seems to be the key-
2.4 and CF can be a problem .
and as is to be expected, learning how to setup 2.4 is still a problem for some users , irrespective of brand.
But no matter what your favorite brand is the Spektrum/ JR has a long lead in this new medium and it will take a while for numbers in the market to start to somewhat even out.

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RE: Your thoughts after reading JR 12X manual - 4/26/2008 10:31:34 PM   
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The several hundred dollar datasafe is being replace with a $50 USB version that is suppose to contain the functionality of the $200 or so UltraData Safe (which worked only with the 10X radios and even then there was a seperate heli and airplane UltraDataSafe at $200 a pop).

From what is listed on the Horizon site, the 2.4 only 12X comes with Tx and Rx, the module based one comes with the Tx and the 72MHz module. Don't see the DataSafe listed as part of the package unless this has changed and the site has not been updated.

The 12FG can be had for $999 from Chief and other places, so even if the 12x can be had at $1400 that is still $400 more for basically the same functionality. Hey, I'm sure they will sell a ton of them but it isn't that great a leap in what is already available in the 9303.


GBR2:

Help me out please - I have heard others mention that Chief has competitive pricing but , I am not sure how to get to their best price. Do I need to call or is the best price on their website? Give some direction please.

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RE: Your thoughts after reading JR 12X manual - 4/26/2008 10:52:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		For the last six months I would get up early, make a cup of coffee, log on and look for any new information on the 12X. I was disappointed with the media press realese but, I persevered and each day I kept up the vigil looking for the real thing. Finally, I back ordered the 12X and unbelievably it was the day before the owners manual was placed on the internet. In my opinion the owners manual is the defining document and I read it from cover to cover. A day later I canelled my back order for the 12X and placed an order for the 2.4 ghz JR 9303 (I already have two non 2.4 9303 tx's) even though I consider the Futaba 12FG to be superior excpept in the ease and logic of programming. The 12X is the same as a 9303 with some additional features - not many. Is the 12 X a better radio than the 9303 - absolutely, is it worth two to three times the cost of the 9303, I don't think so. From a technology perspective this is a pet rock in a new box. The bottom line is that I am disappointed in JR - I love em, but this time they let me down.

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RE: Your thoughts after reading JR 12X manual - 4/26/2008 10:59:23 PM   
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RE: Your thoughts after reading JR 12X manual - 4/26/2008 11:52:00 PM   
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The Futaba programming ya gotta love it


Well I just got a new 12FG had it for a few hours-packed it up and sent it back to Tower...Ive been a Futaba diehard for 20 years LOVE my 9C but the 12well I just plain don't like it...Don't get me wrong its got a ton of features but 90% of them Ill never use or need..The programming is not very user-friendly IMO..nothing like the 9303not even close. Jr really got it right with the 9303...its my first JR radio and I only had to look in the manual 1 time!! I programmed all of my planes in less than 1/2 hour with it-only complaint with it is the limited assignments of switches...JMO

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RE: Your thoughts after reading JR 12X manual - 4/27/2008 1:07:59 AM   
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It's too bad the 12FG didn't turn out to be something you wanted.

I don't NEED a 12X as my DX7 is more capable than I, but I was hoping for more versatility than I've got with my X9303 since I was spoiled by what my 9Z would do, and the switch assignment thing always kind of bugged me. It's not fair to compare the X9303 to the 9Z considering the difference in cost, but when that kind of capability is what you're used to using....

I didn't even know about the dual outputs on the primary flight controls and even the flaps with the R1221 so that was just a bonus. I'm going to have to re-think the AR9100 for the 2.6 Comp-Arf Extra I've got sitting here waiting for the new 7955's....

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RE: Your thoughts after reading JR 12X manual - 4/27/2008 1:25:02 AM   
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Joe,
It's too bad the 12FG didn't turn out to be something you wanted.


Yea well the bright side is I saved myself $600+
Like I said its got everything packed into it but there were enough things bugging me that I couldn't justify the price over the 9303. I read the 12X manual and its got everything packed into it as well but the 9303 will do just fine for me. I couldn't tell but it looks like the 12X has the same assignments as the 9303 for flight modes ?

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RE: Your thoughts after reading JR 12X manual - 4/27/2008 1:42:20 AM   
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I couldn't tell but it looks like the 12X has the same assignments as the 9303 for flight modes ?


I'll have to get back to you on that as it looked to me on my initial run through that it had more of them and better access to other switches as well as custom naming. I was having a bit of an issue trying to read the thing on my computer so I went over to FedEx/Kinkos today and had them print the manuals for me, just like I did with the X9303.

That flight mode situation is one of the biggies I missed about the 9Z, flight modes and on any switch. They've also finally included a rudder/aileron mix in the native mixes to get rid of the coupling. I couldn't figure out why the X9303 has an aileron/rudder native mix, but not the other way around considering it's target audience. I'm looking forward to the sticks having hard ends on the travels as well, the 9Z just about drove me nuts with that problem on especially the throttle. Futaba told me "it's just the way it is" when I tried to find out if there was a way to get rid of that...


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RE: Your thoughts after reading JR 12X manual - 4/27/2008 1:52:42 AM   
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Status: offline 		That native ail rudd mix is for the old guys (my age ) who add aileron to their CUB and the rudder will auto travel to eliminate (hopefully) the skid. at least that is the premise
HINT: most of the $$$$ radios far exceed the users capabilities and are purchased for the "bling" factors
some of the mixes/features are frankly goofy in my book -but everyone has a different opinion.
back a few years ago th hot ticket was an INVERTED switch -for helis
like all bad ideas -this one faded faast .

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RE: Your thoughts after reading JR 12X manual - 4/27/2008 9:27:19 PM   
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The Futaba programming ya gotta love it


Futaba vs JR transmitter programming has similarities to what we used to (and maybe they still do) call ‘Function Oriented’ vs ‘Task Oriented’ products and documentation.

Which one works the best depends on the target audience.



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RE: Your thoughts after reading JR 12X manual - 4/27/2008 10:22:30 PM   
dick Hanson



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The Futaba programming ya gotta love it


Futaba vs JR transmitter programming has similarities to what we used to (and maybe they still do) call ‘Function Oriented’ vs ‘Task Oriented’ products and documentation.

Which one works the best depends on the target audience.



yeh maybe - tho most of it is related to how we see form and function vs novelty .
same with cars - some love the Hummer - others would't have one as a gift.
again, what makes a horse race.

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RE: Your thoughts after reading JR 12X manual - 4/28/2008 4:13:09 AM