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RE: Venom-Racing GPV-1 motorcycle - 11/12/2008 10:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		Any ideas for Great Planes and Horizon shipments? They are listing Mid/Late November still. I ordered through my LHS of course (which orders through horizon), since that is how this hobby keeps in business versus direct to manufacturer sales.

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RE: Venom-Racing GPV-1 motorcycle - 11/13/2008 4:22 PM   
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Status: offline 		Tower switched within the past days from beginning of November to mid November, and now its late November? What gives. I was hoping to put one in some christmas wrapping paper for me boy.

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RE: Venom-Racing GPV-1 motorcycle - 11/13/2008 6:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		You should definitely have it in time for Christmas. People that placed orders directly from Venom are already receiving their orders.

But I agree with Mini-Me that supporting your LHS is the way to go to keep the hobby alive.

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RE: Venom-Racing GPV-1 motorcycle - 11/13/2008 10:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		I got mine on Tuesday 11/11/08. Has anyone else recived their bikes yet?
I have allread installed a Mamba25, 6800 brushless and 7.4 1100mah LiPo.
This bike is miles above the old Kyosho HOR.

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RE: Venom-Racing GPV-1 motorcycle - 11/19/2008 1:06 AM   
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RE: Venom-Racing GPV-1 motorcycle - 11/20/2008 3:49 AM   
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Status: offline 		Whats the deal VENOM??? only people that order from your site can get one now/first?? My buddy owns a hobby shop and on his dealer pages for horizon and tower(great planes) the eta's are removed or "ON ORDER" . last week i checked and they were " 11-15-08 & 11-17-08" now there gone. ive been waiting for one of these since i first seen the pics of them. What the he#l is the hold up?? you keep saying wait, soon soon, october first part of november , ya whatever. think that us normal people that get them from the LHS AKA" GP and Horizon" can get one soon??

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RE: Venom-Racing GPV-1 motorcycle - 11/20/2008 7:04 AM   
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Status: offline 		jfergy: 2WheelHobbies.com had a few in already that went directly to pre-orders. I know that 2WheelHobbies ordered them directly from Venom. Maybe it's that the big distributors have more processing overhead to deal with than the smaller shops.


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RE: Venom-Racing GPV-1 motorcycle - 11/20/2008 2:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		You should just PM Chris. I know you are displease as many but take how he might look at things. I would rather be me than him right now. Too much stress I am for sure. Once you get your bike you will feel differently.

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RE: Venom-Racing GPV-1 motorcycle - 11/20/2008 2:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		I agree Derbi, However I really dislike when companies give dates when they arent not sure that it will be then. I gave up in September on this, (because my LHS was telling me a certain date, then it got changed, then changed again) So I got a refund of my preorder layaway cost because I knew this was to be a continiung thing. I understand the whole preorder thing, but I would much rather have companies just release the product ads and info and the product itself at the same time. This would help the confusion and frustration on both sides of the coin!

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RE: Venom-Racing GPV-1 motorcycle - 11/20/2008 4:41 PM   
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Status: offline 		Sorry about the delays, it was not intentional in any way. Things just stacked up on this release and here we are so what can I say? Anyhow, bikes have shipped, more on the way, and orders will be filled as fast as possible. These bikes are not sitting more than 24hrs here before they are out the door if that helps you guys understand the urgency with which we are operating at.

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RE: Venom-Racing GPV-1 motorcycle - 11/20/2008 4:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		Horizon received their shipment of gpv-1s last Saturday. They filled all of their backorders and are now waiting to receive their next shipment to send out to hobbyshops. Horizon's release date was dead on but they couldn't fill all of their orders. Great planes (towerhobbies) did the exact same thing.

I work in a hobby shop and we just called them about this 10 minutes ago.

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RE: Venom-Racing GPV-1 motorcycle - 11/20/2008 11:55 PM   
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Status: offline 		Again none of this would be an issue if the quantities supported everones orders right off the bat. We are all working at max capacity to insure the bikes get here and out to you as fast as possible.

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RE: Venom-Racing GPV-1 motorcycle - 11/21/2008 3:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		Sorry Venomous I didn't mean to make that sound like your fault. You can only make so many toys in a week and get them shipped. I was trying to let the people who are waiting for them to show up in their LHS that they should be there soon (me being one of them ).

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RE: Venom-Racing GPV-1 motorcycle - 11/21/2008 5:33 PM   
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RE: Venom-Racing GPV-1 motorcycle - 11/21/2008 6:05 PM   
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RE: Venom-Racing GPV-1 motorcycle - 11/26/2008 4:54 AM   
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Status: offline 		Kudos Venom. You have me impressed. Now, to learn how to drive this thing.

-Is the front tire supposed to be that much more stiff than the rear? Or did some different compounds get mixed up on mine? How can I tell they are a the correct stock set?

-When you put your side bars on, really tweak down the retaining nut, I had mine on haphazard, and they popped off the screw right away and bending one of the wire retention splines (fixed by screwing in very tight).

-What are the specs on the stock steering servo?

-Can I have training wheels? No seriously though, 2wd RC noob here. Do heli gyros help with this any?

-Is there a better way to retain the pack? I noticed with only one retaining velcro strap, it can shift back and fourth very easily.

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RE: Venom-Racing GPV-1 motorcycle - 11/26/2008 11:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		I got a few more questions to ask.

-The aluminum gearbox option parts, do they include aluminum chain bearing holder tensioners as well? I noticed there is some play with the plastic bearing tensioner holders with the peg system. I can easily wiggle the spur some. Also, does this metal gearbox have bearings or cutouts for bearings for the rear fork attachment pivot? I noticed that the stock is just riding on the internal plastic of the gearbox sides w/out even bushings.

- I not overly impressed with the stock servo saver spring system. Can I use a normal mini-servo saver C clamp with a rod instead? The xray one is pretty much the best there is in these. Even tightening down, there is just too much easy bumpsteer that can happen IMHO. Also, from the factory, the stock servo did not have the mount extensions behind it, which means the stock collars on the rod where hitting the screws on the sides of the chassis plate causing inconsistent speeds on the front rakes movement.

- One of the front rakes pistons was slightly unpolished (like someone from the factory didn't change the polishing tool after it wore down). Im just thinking more of the future here with front rake shock rebuilds oil leakage and premature O-ring failure. Is is worth calling you for a replacement?

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RE: Venom-Racing GPV-1 motorcycle - 11/27/2008 12:38 AM   
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Status: offline 		Ok let me catch up here...

Tire is normal, has a weighted rubber weight inside, do not adjust.
Servo - see manual for other servo suggestions
For the pack you can add double stick velcro
Alloy parts use the plastic parts but have a tighter tolerance. The rear pivot is the same style as the plastic part.
Thats not a servo saver!! Dont modify it unitl you really understand what its doing, the linkage set up and the springs are the heart of how and why it works so take care not throw those parts out!
If the parts for the forks are bad from new you can call us on Monday and talk with a Customer Service Rep here and see about an exchange.

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RE: Venom-Racing GPV-1 motorcycle - 11/28/2008 3:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		Havent been on in a few days, FIRST i would like to SORRY for sounding so harsh to Venom and VENOMOUS. Ive been waiting for a deacent priced motorcycle for a LONG time. The Kyosho HOR look like crap plastic chassis and the Nuova Faor and OTO bikes are too high a price for just a sometimes played with model ( i have 6 planes, 2 boats, 2 helies, and like 8 cars also). The Thunder Tiger bike's rider is way too small for the bike size and looks like a 5' person riding a jumbo bike. Any ways I am waiting for your model and will not give up on it. I expect to have a good time with the bike just like i do in all the Radio Control Hobbies that i do. Now when can we have all the hop ups ???? LOL

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RE: Venom-Racing GPV-1 motorcycle - 11/29/2008 11:54 PM   
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Ok let me catch up here...

Tire is normal, has a weighted rubber weight inside, do not adjust.
Servo - see manual for other servo suggestions
For the pack you can add double stick velcro
Alloy parts use the plastic parts but have a tighter tolerance. The rear pivot is the same style as the plastic part.
Thats not a servo saver!! Dont modify it unitl you really understand what its doing, the linkage set up and the springs are the heart of how and why it works so take care not throw those parts out!
If the parts for the forks are bad from new you can call us on Monday and talk with a Customer Service Rep here and see about an exchange.

Have fun,

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Thanks for the response Chris. Another thing I like about this? Not only did you use hex head screws in a RTR, you used machine hex head screws. Its soo nice to have good screws in a kit (even if it is a RTR).

So the spring thing is like a spring then for the steering mechanism? While that tube on the opposite side acts like a dampener tube? Can any one explain the theory behind why a bike needs a damper for the steering? Again, I'm new to this.

I was more interested in what the specs were on the stock servo itself. Tower (I dont buy there but they do have great resource info) has the specs for the brake servo, but none for the kit servo.

I did find something to help with that little bit of play in the chain tensioner bearing holder. I wrapped it once in plumbers tape and that little bit helped to snug it all nicely.

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RE: Venom-Racing GPV-1 motorcycle - 11/30/2008 1:06 AM   
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So the spring thing is like a spring then for the steering mechanism? While that tube on the opposite side acts like a dampener tube? Can any one explain the theory behind why a bike needs a damper for the steering? Again, I'm new to this.


I haven't driven the GPV-1 yet but I can atleast tell you how steering works on a motorcycle.

Motorcycles don't work on the normal left and right steering that cars do. Bikes need to counter steer to turn meaning to make a right turn you litterally just nudge the handlebars to the LEFT. After the bike is leaned into the corner you let off any pressure from the handlebars (in this case the servo) and it maintains the lean angle that you left it at. The spring on that linkage is there so you only nudge the wheel left or right to give it a smooth gental feel. Without that spring if the front tire turns full left the bike will snap right and fall over instantly. If you think that the steering is to sensitive you can try putting softer springs on the linkage and that should make it easier to drive. If they are to soft then it probably wont turn out of a corner though.

Remember the more you turn the transmitter wheel right the more the bike is going to lean right. Once you're at the lean angle that you want you need to hold the wheel there or maybe even let off the steering a little bit depending on how the bike is set up.

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RE: Venom-Racing GPV-1 motorcycle - 11/30/2008 6:31 AM   
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So the spring thing is like a spring then for the steering mechanism? While that tube on the opposite side acts like a dampener tube? Can any one explain the theory behind why a bike needs a damper for the steering? Again, I'm new to this.


I haven't driven the GPV-1 yet but I can atleast tell you how steering works on a motorcycle.

Motorcycles don't work on the normal left and right steering that cars do. Bikes need to counter steer to turn meaning to make a right turn you litterally just nudge the handlebars to the LEFT. After the bike is leaned into the corner you let off any pressure from the handlebars (in this case the servo) and it maintains the lean angle that you left it at. The spring on that linkage is there so you only nudge the wheel left or right to give it a smooth gental feel. Without that spring if the front tire turns full left the bike will snap right and fall over instantly. If you think that the steering is to sensitive you can try putting softer springs on the linkage and that should make it easier to drive. If they are to soft then it probably wont turn out of a corner though.

Remember the more you turn the transmitter wheel right the more the bike is going to lean right. Once you're at the lean angle that you want you need to hold the wheel there or maybe even let off the steering a little bit depending on how the bike is set up.



Thanks for the info. Is that different for plain old bikes? I could swear I turn left when I need to go left, but then so much of that is balance. What do dampeners do for this effect as I have seen the mods with these on the 1/5th. Is that more for smoothing out road inconsistencies to keep the steering from jittering too much? (If so, hmm.. you know, a Micro-T shock just might fit for that opposite linkage.)

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RE: Venom-Racing GPV-1 motorcycle - 11/30/2008 5:40 PM   
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Thanks for the info. Is that different for plain old bikes? I could swear I turn left when I need to go left, but then so much of that is balance. What do dampeners do for this effect as I have seen the mods with these on the 1/5th. Is that more for smoothing out road inconsistencies to keep the steering from jittering too much? (If so, hmm.. you know, a Micro-T shock just might fit for that opposite linkage.)


You do turn left in a left corner but you need to turn right to start the corner. Normal bicycles have the same effect but its not as noticable because they are so light and your weight shifting has a huge effect as well. Next time you ride a bike sit straight up and turn the handlebars left and see what happens. On a motorcycle (sportbike especially) its very noticable and the faster you go the harder it gets to turn the handlebars.

The damper is exactly what you just said its for. It dampens any jolts to the front tire so it doesn't upset the bike in a corner. Especially accelerating out of a corner the front end gets very light and its easier to turn the handlebars.

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RE: Venom-Racing GPV-1 motorcycle - 12/1/2008 6:39 PM   
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Status: offline 		All the above is true but in addition the front tire is left to find its own center and this ability is what balances the bike upright. The springs are there to influence the steering direction input all the while the front tire finds its own way in any orientation...leaned over or upright. The damper helps keep the front tire/tripple clamps from doing whats called a tank slapper. For real high speeds its better to add thick grease to the damper tube to help this effort.
When the steering springs are set up closer together they make the steering effect more direct and therefore more sensitive. You can imagine this as approaching a more one to one feel as if your on the bike so that means its more up to you to balance the bike rather than the bike doing the work naturally. Trust me its better to let the bike do the work and you just tell it were you want to go.
Counter steering is done on any conventional 2 wheeled vehicle. Its done on bicycles but in a very discrete manner and on motorcycles in various examples from dirtbikes to GP bikes. You do it you just done realize it. Technically your trying to make the bike fall over and the gyro effect of the wheels is fighting you. Your using the grip of the tire to help you trip the front end into falling over at speed and the natural gyro effect keeps things from falling over. Pretty simple but the math is rediculous!

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RE: Venom-Racing GPV-1 motorcycle - 12/1/2008 7:39 PM   
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Status: offline 		Chris, all of the RC bikes that I've driven so far have so much trail that they try to stand up on their own without counter steering. Or do you let off all pressure from the handlebars after its leaned over like a real bike? Going around the track on my GSXR you can't have any pressure on the handlebars otherwise the front end starts pushing out and I was just hoping the GPV works the same way.

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